Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

[Mazder]

It works for everyone to, while sick, go for a light walk. It clears out the lungs and you get some fresh air.

This isn't the Army way, it's the "get off your ass" way. Far more productive than just sitting around, suffering.

Fucks sake, I have a bum knee. Locks up and dislocates at times. Know what's made it happen less? Exercise. Physical therapy. When I had bronchitis? Fresh air, walking made it go away faster. Sitting around makes shit worse.

Guarantee you if anyone else said it you'd say "Hey yeah that's a good idea."

No, I'd say, "nah, imma rest as that's what the doctors are telling me to do, rather than aggravate my lungs any further with needless strain at this time." And they'd understand I'm in the deep shit areas of bronchitis when aggravating it would do more harm than good.

And I'd take any doctors word over yours any day.
It's not even what you say but the way you say it. The "get off your ass" attitude implies you think we're bring lazy by taking medical professionals advice over your own.
I'm sorry but if it comes to you or my doctor I'm going to listen to them, their advice will be 100% better than yours in the long run.
And if you do truly think i'm lazy for listening to my doctor, fine, you can fuck off and think that then, because my healthcare isn't in competition with your ego's need to feel right.

[Mobius_118]

You can go to your doctor without bankrupting yourself? Awesome.

[Mazder]

You can go to your doctor without bankrupting yourself? Awesome.

Yep, that's one of the few perks of a tax based medical system. downsides are long wait times on the mid-tier to severe stuff to to specialization shortages.

But hey, you're on Army meds so you should be fine. They'll not have ya miss out on the opportunity to get shot. Give a shot to get shot as it were. And if not then you got the wrong end of that deal mate and I feel sorry for ya.

[TLock]

You can go to your doctor without bankrupting yourself? Awesome.

We got the NHS here in the UK, so yeah. Most medical treatments in the UK are super affordable, one of the few good things I like my tax money going into.

[Mobius_118]

Army meds are Ibuprofen and water.

[Mazder]

Army meds are Ibuprofen and water.

Then you got the raw end of the deal. poor you. Shame.

[TheodoricFriede]

Army meds are Ibuprofen and water.

Then you got the raw end of the deal. poor you. Shame.

FYI every single person I have ever talked to in the military says this is bullshit.

[Mobius_118]

Army meds are Ibuprofen and water.

Then you got the raw end of the deal. poor you. Shame.

FYI every single person I have ever talked to in the military says this is bullshit.

I can pull up my medical record. You get to see every time I went in and got prescribed Ibuprofen for a knee dislocation.

Besides, you're talking to, Air Force? They get a splinter and get a trauma center.

Until you go through the process and find out for yourself, you'll never know the agony of trying to get an MRI for an obvious problem and being told to go fuck yourself.

[TheodoricFriede]

Uh huh. Tell me about the time you charged San Juan hill all by your lonesome General.

[Mobius_118]

How about you grow the fuck up?

I can literally prove you wrong. Do not pretend I can't.

[TheodoricFriede]

Adults dont constantly feel the need to flaunt their machismo at every turn.

Adults have nothing to prove.

[Mobius_118]

Adults don't act like fucking children when someone gives them good advice.

Right now I advise you to back down.

[TheodoricFriede]

Or what?

How are you going to back up that ultimatum? You'll be more annoying? You'll hunt me down like a real fucking psychopath?

You're a joke Mobius.

[Mobius_118]

An ultimatum would've been more written such as "You'd better back down, or else."

That was just advice. Too bad you're all too eager to take it beyond what it is.

The only joke here is that you're too easily triggered. You're projecting. Again.

[TheodoricFriede]

That must be what it is.

K'Byyye!

[DarkStorm]

Again, don't bother only wasting of your time and energy.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

That must be what it is.

K'Byyye!

Tbh my favorite part is when he says he could prove all of it by posting his records. And says you know he could do it. And then doesn't.

[Mazder]

An ultimatum would've been more written such as "You'd better back down, or else."

That was just advice. Too bad you're all too eager to take it beyond what it is.

The only joke here is that you're too easily triggered. You're projecting. Again.

No, it was "advice" with the implied threat of "or else" being included. Nobody says "you'd better back down" without the "or else" being somewhat implied.

How about you grow the fuck up?

I can literally prove you wrong. Do not pretend I can't.

No, you can prove your situation is different. That is not disproving the claim others have differing reports than you do.
There is a very literal difference between "Everyone I've talked to in Military branches says a different story" and "Mobius's situation tells a different story". One soldier's situation does not equate to the entire system/multiple soldier's stories.

Adults don't act like fucking children when someone gives them good advice.

Right now I advise you to back down.

Adults also don't start talking down to people when they take advice from others with way more qualifications than they do.

That must be what it is.

K'Byyye!

Tbh my favorite part is when he says he could prove all of it by posting his records. And says you know he could do it. And then doesn't.

It still wouldn't prove anything though as all it'd show is one soldier's shitty situation.
Now if he had the medical records for the entire US Military and every branch then, yeah, he might have a point.

[Mobius_118]

That must be what it is.

K'Byyye!

Tbh my favorite part is when he says he could prove all of it by posting his records. And says you know he could do it. And then doesn't.

Yes...Scanning in 300 plus documents. Totally fucking feasible in one night without the right equipment.

All of that personal data too. Easily stolen by a little fartsucker like you.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Why would I or someone like me ever be interested in stealing your data? You have nothing I would ever want.

You're not nearly as important as you seem to think you are.

[Mobius_118]

Yeah unlike you I actually swore to defend this nation against all threats, foreign and domestic.

I gave up a pretty good deal just to do what I truly wanted. What have you sacrificed? Oh, right. Nothing. Entitled sack of shit you are.

[Mazder]

Yeah unlike you I actually swore to defend this nation against all threats, foreign and domestic.

I gave up a pretty good deal just to do what I truly wanted. What have you sacrificed? Oh, right. Nothing. Entitled sack of shit you are.

Y'know I usually respect all military members for taking up the choice of serving,but you're rapidly turning that base respect into a dick waving contest on your supposed levels of altruism and worth in the world and it's honestly getting really, really ugly.
Every time you mention "how much I've sacrificed so fuck you" make me want to ignore you more, because you equate your path as the only sacrifices worth while, that your life is the only comparison to what is hard or not. I mean your own perspective is fine and all but seriously when you start making out others are bad for not doing things the way you would, or thinking the way you would or anything that doesn't fit into your way just gets tossed aside or insulted. If that is representative of the sacrifice of the USA's military then, honestly, maybe you shouldn't have chosen to continue into this career as you're quickly losing the humility a serviceman holds.

In comparison to GAC, for example, you honestly know jack shit about his actual sacrifices in life or his path, he's not put that out there on display. And I'm not defending him either. I am simply stating it as a fact because he's made no mention of it here or publicly as far as I have seen.

[Mobius_118]

I know that he's a corporate shill. That's all I need to know.

[Mobius_118]

Cmon, poster-boy for Plan B, what else you got?

[DarkStorm]

Guys are just talking into the void, feeding it.

[DarkStorm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJfKm2zVnM0

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I know that he's a corporate shill. That's all I need to know.

Whoa whoa whoa. I can't be a corporate shill I'm too busy deepthroating our president remember?

C'mon Mobius even you can keep a chain of insults consistent.

[Mobius_118]

You can be so much more than a microdick sucking corporate shill.

But at least you admit to it. Be proud of what you are, you fucking sheep.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

You can be so much more than a microdick sucking corporate shill.

But at least you admit to it. Be proud of what you are, you fucking sheep.

Baa baa motherfucker.

[Mobius_118]

You truly are the consummate libertarian. Worthless and proud of it.

[Mazder]

Dankula dodged time, got fined £800.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-43864133

[Vol]

Dankula's now raised over 60k pounds for his legal defense fund, so, he'll be alright.

http://archive.is/8xYJy

And we're apparently run by the judiciary, because possibly illegal executive orders require the full legal process for a president to rescind. Not even rescind, Trump just let DACA expire on its own, then this judiciary cocksmith demands the executive enforce his whims.

[TheodoricFriede]

And we're apparently run by the judiciary, because possibly illegal executive orders require the full legal process for a president to rescind. Not even rescind, Trump just let DACA expire on its own, then this judiciary cocksmith demands the executive enforce his whims.

Well thats partially true. Whatever the Supreme Court says goes. "Federal Judge" is very vague. And one on his own cant do a hell of a lot on their own. Consider how many Federal Judges said Trump couldn't impose the Travel Ban. He was still able to do it.

Trust me, that Federal judge does NOT want this to go to the Supreme Court. The language of the constitution is VERY CLEAR that the President gets broad sweeping powers over who is allowed into the country. Its not even remotely ambiguous.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

You truly are the consummate libertarian. Worthless and proud of it.

I leave people alone and people leave me alone. It is a happy and harmonious existence.

A dyed in the wool interventionist like you would never understand the simple pleasures of trusting the world to get on as it tends to do.

[Vol]

Well thats partially true. Whatever the Supreme Court says goes. "Federal Judge" is very vague. And one on his own cant do a hell of a lot on their own. Consider how many Federal Judges said Trump couldn't impose the Travel Ban. He was still able to do it.

Trust me, that Federal judge does NOT want this to go to the Supreme Court. The language of the constitution is VERY CLEAR that the President gets broad sweeping powers over who is allowed into the country. Its not even remotely ambiguous.

Right, but the legal system is very slow, and terms are short. It doesn't matter if the judge cannot make a permanent ruling on these matters, it's the principle that these unelected people can jam up the elected president's agenda regardless of their legal ability to do so. The system cannot function if the executive has to wait months/years whenever a judge decides to interfere in any matter, with no consequence.

[TheodoricFriede]

Right, but the legal system is very slow, and terms are short. It doesn't matter if the judge cannot make a permanent ruling on these matters, it's the principle that these unelected people can jam up the elected president's agenda regardless of their legal ability to do so. The system cannot function if the executive has to wait months/years whenever a judge decides to interfere in any matter, with no consequence.

I'm not sure if one judge CAN halt the entire process. It didn't seem to before.

[Mobius_118]

You truly are the consummate libertarian. Worthless and proud of it.

I leave people alone and people leave me alone. It is a happy and harmonious existence.

A dyed in the wool interventionist like you would never understand the simple pleasures of trusting the world to get on as it tends to do.

Quit lying, you impose your will on people like it's a fucking game.

I'd gladly leave people alone if they'd quit trying to impose their bullshit on me. Something you need to practice if you're going to preach it.

On the topic of the Judicial Branch: We've rarely had an administration that was so corrupt that the Judicial system had to step in and attempt to control it.

Right now the Legislative and Executive branches are infested with money grubbing whores who are selling us all out for power. As long as the Judicial Branch keeps them in check, which is what our three branch system was designed to do, we might just make it through these treason-filled times.

[DarkStorm]

"Quit lying, you impose your will on people like it's a fucking game."

Wow its like looking in a mirror, and not even realizing it.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

You truly are the consummate libertarian. Worthless and proud of it.

I leave people alone and people leave me alone. It is a happy and harmonious existence.

A dyed in the wool interventionist like you would never understand the simple pleasures of trusting the world to get on as it tends to do.

Quit lying, you impose your will on people like it's a fucking game.

Yes. Because shitposting on the internet is imposing your will on people.

You're a child.

[Raga]

Well thats partially true. Whatever the Supreme Court says goes. "Federal Judge" is very vague. And one on his own cant do a hell of a lot on their own. Consider how many Federal Judges said Trump couldn't impose the Travel Ban. He was still able to do it.

Trust me, that Federal judge does NOT want this to go to the Supreme Court. The language of the constitution is VERY CLEAR that the President gets broad sweeping powers over who is allowed into the country. Its not even remotely ambiguous.

Right, but the legal system is very slow, and terms are short. It doesn't matter if the judge cannot make a permanent ruling on these matters, it's the principle that these unelected people can jam up the elected president's agenda regardless of their legal ability to do so. The system cannot function if the executive has to wait months/years whenever a judge decides to interfere in any matter, with no consequence.

Activist judges are the preferred method of holding actions in the cultures wars for the left. Crap laws at the state level are the preferred method of the right.

Example: activist judge #347 from San Francisco or LA or Hawaii or wherever keeps throwing out crap decisions undoing executive actions in an attempt to get it bumped up to the Supreme Court so the Supreme Court can undermine executive power over immigration. They only need it to happen one time.
Another example: Crackpot state legislatures in Texas or Kansas or Alabama or wherever pass some law requiring aborted fetuses receive burials or women must look at ultrasounds before getting abortions or whatever so it will get challenged in court and eventually bumped up to the Supreme Court so the Supreme Court can confer personhood status on fetuses. They also only need it to happen once to establish precedent.

If they can't do that, their goal is simply to gum up the works until their party retakes the White House and Congress. The American system has developed obstruction into a fine art. There are a lot of pros and cons to that. It does mean you tend to require a tremendously large majority to get anything truly substantive done.

Also, the Supreme Court takes up the travel ban today. I predict they will support his right to put it in place, which sets precedent for him having the right to stop DACA as well.

[Raga]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/25/opin ... ctionfront

[Mobius_118]

Yes. Because shitposting on the internet is imposing your will on people.

You're a child.

I bring up actual problems that this administration causes, and your response boils down to lolumadbro? lolfaggot.

Hell, the "Nazis weren't socialist" argument was you going NUH UH when there's evidence contrary to what you believe. More than enough to get anyone else with half a brain to agree with that statement.

Yet you kept on being a retard. It's a fucking wonder how you haven't accidentally killed yourself yet.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

The Nazis were socialist you mental deficient. Hell so was Mussolini.

The fact that a bunch of Socialists have been desperate to deny or dodge that for decades doesn't change what an abject failure of an ideology it is. Or the kind of fucked up shit it leads to consistently.

But go ahead. Blame Venezuela on something other than Socialism while you're at it.

[Mobius_118]

You dense motherfucker. There are mountains of evidence to the contrary.

Just because someone says they're X does not equate to X. This isn't rocket surgery.

[Raga]

Whatever you want to call it, it *is* true that Nazi Germany used central planning (or at least control) for a tremendous amount of its economic agendas and goals. Whatever they were, they certainly weren't laissez-faire capitalists. They nationalized or as good as nationalized any economic entity they thought would be useful to their ends.

[Vol]

Also, the Supreme Court takes up the travel ban today. I predict they will support his right to put it in place, which sets precedent for him having the right to stop DACA as well.

The court is leaning towards Trump, according to early word. So the travel ban was one of his first acts once sworn in, and the SC is dealing with it now, a year and a quarter later. Ooph.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/25/opinion/california-democrats-trump-republicans.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fopinion&action=click&contentCollection=opinion&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=4&pgtype=sectionfront

Heh. The very last thing the Democrats want is to be the totally dominant party, same with the Republicans. It's why they don't do much even when they have nominal control over the 3 branches. So if somehow demographic destiny works, and we import enough third worlders to overrule the white vote forever, the Dems would run to the center. Otherwise you'd have like 2/5's of the country with no voice and no hope to get it, and that's how you get actual radicals, not the puffed up LARPers we have now.

What I'd like to know is what the voting pattern is for the people fleeing the coastal motherland. Do they vote for centrists? Vote the same? I doubt many, if any, become conservatives. Despite moving to states with low taxes and cheap real estate.

[Raga]

The court is leaning towards Trump, according to early word. So the travel ban was one of his first acts once sworn in, and the SC is dealing with it now, a year and a quarter later. Ooph.

It's an ugly tactic that subverts the point of the court, but I don't care as much about obstruction on this particular front as the travel ban was always mostly about making political hay anyway. If anything, I tend to prefer letting in *more* Muslims over broke ass Latin Americans as they are consistently doing a better job economically and at integrating. That's probably because they frequently get relocated to some mid-size majority white cities without ethnic enclaves and thus are forced to assimilate. Latin Americans disproportionately end up in a handful of enormous cities with huge ethnic enclaves that require pretty much no assimilation. There are parts of Houston, for example, that might as well be part of the territory of Mexico. All the signs are in Spanish. Nobody speaks English. Property values suck, etc. etc. Meanwhile, the Muslims tend to live in middle class areas, speak English, have good jobs, wear their hijabs around while walking their kids to the park because its safe, etc. I'll take more of the later please.

It looks like he's getting his way no matter what the court wants anyway: https://www.npr.org/2018/04/24/60540139 ... -happening

Also, the Californians relocating to Texas tend to skew conservative anyway. This is one of the things that keeps confounding the Democrats attempt to "flip Texas" which they've been aspiring to to do for like 20 years. For every would-be Democratic Hispanic voter (though Hispanics in Texas actually skew more conservative than other parts of the country as well), it seems we acquire a white "immigrant" from some other state sick of stagnation and high housing costs. I can't really speak to the rest of the country.

*Edit* spelling/grammar

[Raga]

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine ... dern-left/

[Vol]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory

Trump
The theory is believed by some to be a strategy used by U.S. President Donald Trump[2] in dealing with both allied and hostile nations.[8] Jonathan Stevenson argues Trump's strategy may be even less effective than Nixon's because Nixon tried to give the impression that "he’d been pushed too far, implying that he would return to his senses if the Soviets and North Vietnamese gave in." Whereas the North Korean government is unlikely to believe that "Trump would do the same" because his threats are "standard operating procedure", not a temporary emotional reaction.[3]

So how 'bout those big steps towards possible peace and denuclearization of Korea?

Also, the Californians relocating to Texas tend to skew conservative anyway. This is one of the things that keeps confounding the Democrats attempt to "flip Texas" which they've been aspiring to to do for like 20 years. For every would-be Democratic Hispanic voter (though Hispanics in Texas actually skew more conservative than other parts of the country as well), it seems we acquire a white "immigrant" from some other state sick of stagnation and high housing costs. I can't really speak to the rest of the country.

I haven't seen conclusive data, though I've seen claims that imply the exoduses tend to flip counties blue. Which makes sense if the migration is mainly economic.

"Gosh, the taxes are so low here! But what if we increased them a teeny bit so we can pay for <social programs> and <civic maintenance>? They'll still be way lower than what I used to pay, so it's fine."

It's a weird situation. When I moved from NJ to SC as a kid, it was essentially into a Yankee enclave, fun fact.

[DarkStorm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ2ojjgTEh4