Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

[TTTX]

Oh, I'm sure it made some semblance of a profit, but it was still the final nail in the coffin in the series... not exactly what I'd call "a hit".

Not to EA (but unless those games hundreds of millions I don't think they consider any game a hit) which is why it was dropped.

if it had been Ubisoft who had released the game, I'm pretty sure they would have giving it more content even after that whole this game isn't polished enough news and all that, because at least they try to make fans somewhat happy, EA doesn't especially when games don't meet their big expectations.

[Alienmorph]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMoYk7lrSJ4

"Become the hero of your story", yeah... so that said hero can then be sacrificed and a side characters gets to bang a gynoid thanks to that.

Yes, Casey, I'm still mad and I still don't trust a fucking word you're saying. Especially when you're so clearly in PR Damage Control Mode.

[Dragaros]

Alright, so.

Who's going to read it? Because I tried to read the first ME:A novel, and it was hurting me. But I also dearly enjoy quarians and Mass Effect, and I have to know what happens.

If I see it at my local bookstore, I'll skim through it and post my review and the main plot details like I did with the last one. No need for anyone to waste their money if turns out to be shit.

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=celY9BwWbSM

[TheodoricFriede]

Personally I cant wait to not spend money on this game.

It will be particularly satisfying to see this game on Amazon, and spend my money on something i find more interesting, like shampoo. Or perhaps some dried kelp.

[Alienmorph]

Yeah, worst case scenario if I want a BW game when this comes out I'll be grabbin ME2 on Steam, and make my Origin account further pointless and abandoned. But I also have a truckload of JRPGs that keep piling up in my account, so I might not even need that.

[Vol]

I haven't been a PC gamer as long as some of you, didn't have my first gaming-capable rig for a long while, and mostly stuck to Diablo 2/WC3/CS and so on for years. Now I'm playing Pillars 2 and doing a re-run of Tyranny soon.

So for those of you who played PC RPGs, the classics, the trash, has Mass Effect, and to a lesser extent Dragon Age, affected your ability to emotionally connect with characters? Camera angle and facial motion seem to have a significant impact here.

[magnuskn]

Good writing will come through in the end, as will good voice-work. I felt about as much an emotional connection to Minsk and Viconia as I did to many other more modern BW characters. Although the best ones from Mass Effect really stand out (Tali, Garrus, Wrex, Mordin), so maybe there is something to your theory.

Then again, the last few games from them had so many forgettable characters that good camerawork couldn't save them, eiher.

[Dragaros]

...the best ones from Mass Effect really stand out (Tali, Garrus, Wrex, Mordin)...

Tali, Garrus, Wrex, and Mordin really were a perfect combination of good writing, characterization, voice work, visual design, and narrative evolution. They managed to capture lightning in a bottle with those.

[Dragaros]

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9d4nOch4RY





https://www.ea.com/news/5-things-coming ... for-anthem

[Someone With Mass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9d4nOch4RY

I see that EA has its own hype-man.

[Alienmorph]

"Something is out there... it wants to destroy us all."

Easy EA joke is easy.

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFwylDNpgFc

[Someone With Mass]

So...why should I play this instead of Warframe?

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0mgUr1xUzY

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrxQB4M5leA

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN6nGpyIVNU

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TrdCtCkghg

[Alienmorph]

They couldn't even show a few minutes of gameplay without heavily edit it down. Makes me suspect two things... either A: the game is still a hellhole of bugs, or B: you have to roam around the map for agest before coming across an encounter worth recording and showing to the public. Or both.

Needless to say, I am not impressed.

So...why should I play this instead of Warframe?

You shouldn't, Warframe is fucking awesome. This is just it crossed with Destiny and a bit of Titanfall sprinkled on.

But hey, no loot boxes... "it's just cosmetics!"

[Dragaros]

[TTTX]

So...why should I play this instead of Warframe?

I would rather say it's more like destiny then warframe, since warframe is free of charge, the user isn't using the warframe like armor to put on and such.

You shouldn't, Warframe is fucking awesome. This is just it crossed with Destiny and a bit of Titanfall sprinkled on.

But hey, no loot boxes... "it's just cosmetics!"

Not to mention warframe is free to play and don't have use any money on it what so ever, not even plat the game currency you can buy with real money can be earned in game.

[Alienmorph]

Real fucking cute. I wonder why they didn't give it an Andromeda Initiative paint-job instead.

[Dragaros]

https://www.gameinformer.com/2018/06/09 ... e-romances

[Riptide]

Really Hudson? The ambient dialogue, that's what makes it feel like a Bioware game for you?

God, any inkling of optimism I might of had is gone. It looks so much like a destiny clone, sounds so much like a destiny clone. Like, cut the audio from the trailer and play it over destiny footage. The walls won't protect us forever, something out there wants to destroy us.

Jeeeesus Christ.

[Riptide]

As for the no romances thing, that just tells me there isn't going to be anything in the way of roleplaying elements.

[Riptide]

Oh and I love how they got Hudson to come out and discuss the lootboxes, only for him to say that yeah there are going to be lootboxes and people just need to shut the fuck up and give EA money. But, you know, with that nice corporate spin of 'you don't NEEEEEED to.'

I miss the days when I didn't have to shell out two hundred dollars just to paint my armor the colors I want.

[Vol]

https://www.gameinformer.com/feature/an ... w-frontier

DRAGON AGE AND MASS EFFECT?
Anthem is currently the only officially announced game from BioWare – a studio that has previously had multiple projects in development at once. Though it continues to support Star Wars: The Old Republic, fans are undoubtedly wondering where things stand for its other popular franchises. “I would say a majority of the people at BioWare are working on Anthem, but we do have people who are figuring out what a next Dragon Age would look like,” says BioWare general manager Casey Hudson. And as for Mass Effect? “It’s my baby. I helped start Mass Effect from the beginning. Of course we intend to get back to it at some point.”

[Riptide]

They won't be able to if Anthem tanks and they finally go under.

Which is a VERY painfully real possibility.

[TheodoricFriede]

Anthem looks like a disaaaaster. Holy hell.

They have STILL yet to reveal anything about what this game is past flying with a jetpack and shooting missiles at generic enemy.

Jesus Christ, they are still showing early concept art. Bioware is done. There is no way the studio isn't getting shuttered after this flops. And you know what? I think I'm happy about that.

[magnuskn]

Real fucking cute. I wonder why they didn't give it an Andromeda Initiative paint-job instead.

Probably because they know where the real nostalgia of Old Bioware fans lies and that showing a Andromeda would only invite the derisive comments that game deserves.

[magnuskn]

As for the no romances thing, that just tells me there isn't going to be anything in the way of roleplaying elements.

They even included them in SWTOR, although they were wholly inconsequential and shallow as hell.

Yeah, BioWare is dead as a doornail. That just proves it.

[Alienmorph]

Jesus Christ, they are still showing early concept art. Bioware is done. There is no way the studio isn't getting shuttered after this flops. And you know what? I think I'm happy about that.

Especially since EA is never letting them make another proper singleplayer-focused game, because thei're not profitable enough in their bizzarro world.

So if they have to get killed because of a generic third person co-op shooter, let it be Anthem, and not butcher any further their old IPs.

[Vol]

I think it'll make money. It's not for us, clearly, but I feel the same about a lot of the huge game successes in the last couple years. Such as Destiny and Warframe. So who knows?

[Someone With Mass]

The difference is that the developers behind Warframe actually refrained from turning their game into a slot machine simulator, while EA would dump all of their money into that because they're witless idiots.

[TheodoricFriede]

I think it'll make money. It's not for us, clearly, but I feel the same about a lot of the huge game successes in the last couple years. Such as Destiny and Warframe. So who knows?

In what universe is Destiny a success?

[TTTX]

I think it'll make money. It's not for us, clearly, but I feel the same about a lot of the huge game successes in the last couple years. Such as Destiny and Warframe. So who knows?

In what universe is Destiny a success?

the first game was, the second one not so much.

[Dragaros]

"No PvP at launch"

[Alienmorph]

Destiny is successful because is free-to-play, possibly the only big true free-to-play game around these days. Destiny charges you for everything but the virtual oxygen your virtual characters breathes. And EA went to BioWare and told them "That! That's what we want! Enough with the singleplayer crap and makes us a Destiny!"

It MIGHT be a success? Yeah, I guess there is a small possibility. But in an universe that makes sense, the bad copy of a bad idea should just crash and burn.

[Dragaros]

[TheodoricFriede]

Ha! Oh get fucked Bioware!

"This game supports single player!" my Semitic ass.

[Alienmorph]

Well technically that just means you must have an online connection not that you can't play solo!

That's what the defenders of the game would say. But I don't think there's many out there.

[TTTX]

Destiny is successful because is free-to-play, possibly the only big true free-to-play game around these days. Destiny charges you for everything but the virtual oxygen your virtual characters breathes. And EA went to BioWare and told them "That! That's what we want! Enough with the singleplayer crap and makes us a Destiny!"

It MIGHT be a success? Yeah, I guess there is a small possibility. But in an universe that makes sense, the bad copy of a bad idea should just crash and burn.

Destiny isn't a free to play game.

[TheodoricFriede]

Honestly i think whats going on with Anthem is that they spent 5ish (6ish?) years making a big, admittedly beautiful, open world you can jetpack in, and then 6 months from (initial) release realized "Oh FFFFUUUCK, we forgot to add the game part!"

[Alienmorph]

Destiny is successful because is free-to-play, possibly the only big true free-to-play game around these days. Destiny charges you for everything but the virtual oxygen your virtual characters breathes. And EA went to BioWare and told them "That! That's what we want! Enough with the singleplayer crap and makes us a Destiny!"

It MIGHT be a success? Yeah, I guess there is a small possibility. But in an universe that makes sense, the bad copy of a bad idea should just crash and burn.

Destiny isn't a free to play game.

I meant Warframe in the first line there, not Destiny... whops xD

[Alienmorph]

Honestly i think whats going on with Anthem is that they spent 5ish (6ish?) years making a big, admittedly beautiful, open world you can jetpack in, and then 6 months from (initial) release realized "Oh FFFFUUUCK, we forgot to add the game part!"

Assuming they didn't spend half of that time figuring out how to work with the Frostbyte engine.

Yes... it makes thing look pretty and it works well enough in your fucking sports game too, EA... but it's a shooter game engine first and foremost, not an open world one! It's like asking someone to turn a boat into a truck instead of just buying a fucking truck... you can do it, but it's going to cost you an outrageous amount of extra time and money. And for no real good reason.

[Someone With Mass]

The sad thing is that the Frostbite engine just isn't impressive to look at anymore. A lot of engines are catching up.

[TheodoricFriede]

The sad thing is that the Frostbite engine just isn't impressive to look at anymore. A lot of engines are catching up.

As I recall, Unreal 4 is starting to look pretty good, and ports easily.

[Someone With Mass]

As I recall, Unreal 4 is starting to look pretty good, and ports easily.

While the Frostbite engine just doesn't. The Unreal engine has the advantage of being universally known too, so it's easy to get new people working on projects.

[Alienmorph]

I think that's part of the point, they want to have their own engine so they don't have to pay money to use someobody else's, much like they made their own knock-off version of Steam to not split the online sales money to distribute their games through 3rd parties.

Except to save even more money instead of making a new, flexible engine that could work well on multiple kinds of games with different development needs, they took the Battlefield's one because it had been made already and it looked pretty.

I guarantee that the next Titanfall game, now that they got bought by EA will use that guddamn engine too.