Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

[Raga]

If I'm ever a refugee or an economic migrant, yes, I will definitely beg for people to take me in. I won't, however, claim they are morally obligated to do so, that they owe it to me by virtue of their not being in my position, and that if something happens to me it becomes their fault.

I will ask them for charity and be grateful if I get it.

I can also absolutely promise that if I'm really at fear for my life and, say, Rwanda or Pakistan offers me asylum I will absolutely take it. I won't turn my nose up at it because I was really hoping Sweden would do it.

[Mazder]

I hope none of you end up in their shoes. Because the hypocrisy here from all of you is staggering. I know for certain that if and when it does happen to any of you, you'll be whining and complaining about people not showing you any concern.

If I am a refugee or migrant I won't be charging to get over a border illegally.

If I'm ever a refugee or an economic migrant, yes, I will definitely beg for people to take me in. I won't, however, claim they are morally obligated to do so, that they owe it to me by virtue of their not being in my position, and that if something happens to me it becomes their fault.

I will ask them for charity and be grateful if I get it.

^ This.

Also Raga I am going to reply to you it's just I am having a little difficulty as, well, you're smarter than I am in this and it takes me a while to break down your stuff into my brain's process when it comes to big chunks.

[Raga]

Also Raga I am going to reply to you it's just I am having a little difficulty as, well, you're smarter than I am in this and it takes me a while to break down your stuff into my brain's process when it comes to big chunks.

You don't have to respond if you don't want anyway. I wasn't really disagreeing with you. More using your statement as a springboard. IMO immigration issues in Europe and the United States are different in fundamental ways.

[Mobius_118]

Don't say you won't do what those people are doing, because you don't know how you're actually going to act if your government suddenly decides to get homicidal.

I bet there will be a lot of sobbing.

[Raga]

I am quite confident that if my government gets homicidal I will not insist it's Canada's job to fix it. I'm making no claims about how upset or desperate I will or won't be about it. That's like being in battle. I won't know until I'm there. I can't say I wouldn't run away. I can say that if I ran away, I wouldn't say it was the fault of the guy who invented machine guns and that gun manufacturers have a moral obligation to treat my PTSD.

[TTTX]

I hope none of you end up in their shoes. Because the hypocrisy here from all of you is staggering. I know for certain that if and when it does happen to any of you, you'll be whining and complaining about people not showing you any concern.

Mob, Europe have had incompetent political leaders a lot longer then you, Denmark have had them for over decade as of time of writing, Alien have literal Fascist ruling his country right now, England is on its way to tear itself apart and the rest of Europe isn't looking any better.

so Mob our problems are actually bigger then yours especially with your obvious "you vs them" mentality isn't going to fix the issue at all.

[Mobius_118]

Here's the thing. When you have historians saying we're going down a dark path, and we've already passed a few markers that put us down the path to fascism, it indeed turns into an "us vs them".

It's telling when the soldier is telling people that there's a problem, and those people are antagonistic. You ghouls need your humanity checked.

[Alienmorph]

Here's the thing. When you have historians saying we're going down a dark path, and we've already passed a few markers that put us down the path to fascism, it indeed turns into an "us vs them".

Except the people on the extreme left are behaving just as bad as ones on the extreme right in many cases, lying, defaming and shutting up people they disagree with with every mean they can. Doing all but grabbing weapons and starting to shoot on people.

Would you consider it a win, if to defeat the fascists you end up becoming a fascist yourself?

How about instead we try to appeal to the still big part of the population who hasn't definetively pick a side, and try to find some other solution? If we're indeed heading to another dark time in history, which I definately agree seems to be the case, the best we can do is try to prevent that from happening 'till the last possible moment. If that isn't enough, at least we won't have made things even worse. And sorry, but telling everyone "pick a side and start fighting!" is gonna do the opposite of that.

[Mobius_118]

I have yet to hear about the extreme left shooting up and bombing republican conventions. Harassment at restaurants doesn't hardly count.

Although this situation is exactly what the 2nd Amendment was created for, to prevent this level of tyranny and corruption. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but boy are those right-wingers pushing for violence.

[Mazder]

Don't say you won't do what those people are doing, because you don't know how you're actually going to act if your government suddenly decides to get homicidal.

I bet there will be a lot of sobbing.

Yes, probably, BUT I still won't be clammering at another nation's borders to enter illegally, especially when there are other channels to go through, and if a country in between those grants me asylum I'm going to take it.

Here's the thing. When you have historians saying we're going down a dark path, and we've already passed a few markers that put us down the path to fascism, it indeed turns into an "us vs them".

It's telling when the soldier is telling people that there's a problem, and those people are antagonistic. You ghouls need your humanity checked.

Motherfucker it's our humanity we're trying to protect, ours. we're trying to preserve the culture and laws we've got built up as sovereign nation states.
We can't all open the fucking floodgates and intermingle. We're not going to do well, especially when these cultures clash. You already have a multitude of problems to fix in your own country before you have to be able to fix the world.
If you're so damned hard up to let people through then you fund their legal admission, you go down there, tell them what they need to do and you can house, cloth and feed them while they enter normal society gradually. If you wish to be the humanitarian example then you do it. Util then the border remains, they cross it legally, through asylum or immigration or not at all.

The world is shit sometimes. People die a lot.
The USA doesn't need to get involved with everything, in fact you're involved in too much as it is already.

You don't have to respond if you don't want anyway. I wasn't really disagreeing with you. More using your statement as a springboard. IMO immigration issues in Europe and the United States are different in fundamental ways.

Yes, they are. very much so.
You're essentially a continent of a more unified country, no matter how similar the states and the individual countries of Europe may appear on paper. So it makes every problem a shared one.
Someone in Minnesota cares enough to worry about border stuff on the Texan-Mexico border for example and can lobby/petition the local Governor to do something whereas in Europe during our migrant crisis we couldn't control if Turkey let them in, or Greece, or anyone, really. The EU just kinda blustered (because they're busy-bodies with no actual leadership experience compared to each country's leaders) and we got in a HUGE mess.

I have yet to hear about the extreme left shooting up and bombing republican conventions. Harassment at restaurants doesn't hardly count.

Although this situation is exactly what the 2nd Amendment was created for, to prevent this level of tyranny and corruption. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but boy are those right-wingers pushing for violence.

No, the'll just be insidious instead. they'll deplatform you, doxx you, make even being a devil's advocate or a centrist the wrong-think and will put measures to curtail free speech and freedom of expression.
They'll scream for racism, misogyny or sexism, even if it's a black female they're yelling at during a protest (and even then they'll say it's all internalized) before they all don their black clad clothes, their masks and march out into the street to smash up businesses, private and public property alike and will attack people on sight if they even think they're not aligned with them.

So far a lot of violence has been instigated by th left. Yeah, the right did some and I'm not denying that, but A LOT has been done in the name of the left.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I have yet to hear about the extreme left shooting up and bombing republican conventions. Harassment at restaurants doesn't hardly count.

Although this situation is exactly what the 2nd Amendment was created for, to prevent this level of tyranny and corruption. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but boy are those right-wingers pushing for violence.

Ah. I see you've already forgotten when that Bernie bro shot up that Senate team....

Or those black clad communist thugs...

Uh huh. Never happens.

[Alienmorph]

I have yet to hear about the extreme left shooting up and bombing republican conventions. Harassment at restaurants doesn't hardly count.

Although this situation is exactly what the 2nd Amendment was created for, to prevent this level of tyranny and corruption. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but boy are those right-wingers pushing for violence.

So your solution is allow the extreme left to keep doing what thei're doing, and proceed to sanitize society and censor media and public opinion, just because so far no SJW picked up a gun and shot someone in the face?

What happens when they do? There's plenty of sociopaths and people who are racists and hateful on both sides. If you keep fomenting the conflict, eventually someone will actually hurt people. Personally I'm surprised that so far the worst thing that happened has been an anti-SJW youtuber being punched in the face. And even then, the consensus in online media was that the guy had it coming and that there should be more "nazi-punching" going on. Doesn't sound like they want to be the better men and walk the higher path.

How long before someone gets really hurt? And what will do you when whatever little moral high-ground the american left has now goes poof?

[Mobius_118]

Not on the scale that you seem to think is going on, and I haven't forgotten those incidents. Of course a little bitch like you would gleefully, retardedly equate the systematic hate of trump with people who are tired of being discriminated against and someone who saw the 2nd Amendment as the way to go. I'm not saying it's right, but I can see his viewpoint. Meanwhile trump supporters, your people, are actually shooting up innocents and sending explosives to political rivals, while screaming trump propaganda.

This isn't a difficult problem. Trump and his sycophants are far more dangerous than any left wing group. This is fact.

Tell you what, the next incident that a trump supporter decides to kill people because trump told them that violence against people is ok, I want you to actually condemn it like a normal person would instead of being a cancerous asshole. Can you do it? I know you can't.

[Mobius_118]

I have yet to hear about the extreme left shooting up and bombing republican conventions. Harassment at restaurants doesn't hardly count.

Although this situation is exactly what the 2nd Amendment was created for, to prevent this level of tyranny and corruption. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but boy are those right-wingers pushing for violence.

So your solution is allow the extreme left to keep doing what thei're doing, and proceed to sanitize society and censor media and public opinion, just because so far no SJW picked up a gun and shot someone in the face?

What happens when they do? There's plenty of sociopaths and people who are racists and hateful on both sides. If you keep fomenting the conflict, eventually someone will actually hurt people. Personally I'm surprised that so far the worst thing that happened has been an anti-SJW youtuber being punched in the face. And even then, the consensus in online media was that the guy had it coming and that there should be more "nazi-punching" going on. Doesn't sound like a they want to be the better men and walk the higher path.

How long before someone gets really hurt? And what will do you when whatever little moral high-ground the american left has now goes poof?

People have already been hurt. Innocent people have been shot up by trump supporters.

Some Nazi gets punched in the face, and that's a bad thing? Do I have to tell you Nazi's are bad again? That white supremacy is bad? We had a couple wars about it. Trump supporters are waving those loser flags. Best to stifle that shit before it becomes hazardous to not wave that shit.

[Alienmorph]

People have already been hurt. Innocent people have been shot up by trump supporters.

Some Nazi gets punched in the face, and that's a bad thing? Do I have to tell you Nazi's are bad again? That white supremacy is bad? We had a couple wars about it. Trump supporters are waving those loser flags. Best to stifle that shit before it becomes hazardous to not wave that shit.

Except the person I was talking about isn't a nazi, just an anti-SJW youtuber who exposed some b.s. going on behind the scenes in the Magic: the Gathering community. And that got assaulted by a crazy left-leaning gym teacher because of it, because they used the "white supremacists troll" card to shield themselves. And most of the online media took the bait, phraised the assaulter, and called the victim a nazi and a Trump supporter, and said more like him should get hurt. I don't even like the guy particularly, but that's not the kind of bullshit that should be condoned in any circumnstance, just there's worst people around.

And don't you fucking DARE to lecture me about fascism or how bad white supremacy is, like I'm some oblivious asshole. I live in a country full of them, my mom until a few months ago had to work with a literal fascists who denies the Holocaust and had a portrait of goddamn Mussolini hang on the workplace "for good fortune". And I regularly ear people complaining of the "fucking niggers" when I go to local supermarket because the security guard is black and they can't stand it. Or the old women at the bus stop making fun of gay people who want to get married. I live in the country you claim the US now are, asshole. And I'm hating every day of it.

Yet I have enough braincells to understand that splitting the nation in two extremists groups and starting a civil war is not going to fix a fucking thing. You cannot fix fascisms with even more fascism.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Again. Mobius you disingenuous hack there's been a whole heap of left wing violence out there in the world. Antifa is left wing, that guy who shot up the senatorial team was a Bernie bro.

But you find a way to minimize it. You're consistently full of shit and everyone knows.

[Raga]

I have yet to hear about the extreme left shooting up and bombing republican conventions. Harassment at restaurants doesn't hardly count.

Although this situation is exactly what the 2nd Amendment was created for, to prevent this level of tyranny and corruption. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but boy are those right-wingers pushing for violence.

I was just thinking during that whole bomb fracas how quickly the media forgot that Bernie bro who shot up some Republican Congressman a while back.

(Also, no real digs on Bernie Sanders. He's actually the dude I wanted to win that election).

*Edit* Ninjaed by GAC. Or not really ninjaed considering I came in like an hour later. I just hadn't gotten that far down the page yet.

[Augustei]

If I were a Nazi or carried, or was given any extremist label the thing I would absolutely want the most is for people to try to attack me, punch me in the face, for media and government to decry me, and most importantly deplatform me. Nobody knew who Richard Spencer was until he got punched in the face, Nobody knew who Milo Yiannopoulos was until he was banned from twitter, and Hitler didn't see a sharp rise in popularity until the nazi newspapers were shut down and he was thrown in jail (ofc for very justified reasons). Nothing better to springboard ones goals than to be dehumanized and forced to the fringes, hell its the whole basis for growth in numbers within subcultures, any sociologist who has studied moral panics and subcultures could tell you how the othering process actually adds to their allure. So no, lets not be idiots and punch Nazis, and deplatforming them is a stupid idea as well tbh, its only helping them. Richard Spencer is really easy to debate unless you're Sargon of Akkad

[Augustei]

I have yet to hear about the extreme left shooting up and bombing republican conventions. Harassment at restaurants doesn't hardly count.

Although this situation is exactly what the 2nd Amendment was created for, to prevent this level of tyranny and corruption. Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but boy are those right-wingers pushing for violence.

I was just thinking during that whole bomb fracas how quickly the media forgot that Bernie bro who shot up some Republican Congressman a while back.

(Also, no real digs on Bernie Sanders. He's actually the dude I wanted to win that election).

Yeah isn't Bernie Bros straight out of the Hillary Campaign? Its weird hearing Conservatives parroting their talking points
Anyway I would say there's always 2020 but i'm not seeing the Progressive takeover of the party that they expected. Hell there's even talk of another Hillary run in 2020 in which case you can look foward to 4 more years of Trump. My money's on Trump winning in 2020 barring the economy crashing before then, unless Joe Biden wins the nomination (tbh I think the right too easily dismisses the guy, he's a bigger threat to them then they realize) or maybe Elizibath Warren but i'm much less certain on that one.

[Raga]

It totally depends on who they run. I can see scenarios in which he wins and scenarios in which he loses. If they run an uber progressive he will win though. If they run some likeable Joe Biden type moderate, they might win. If they run a bread and butter progressive who unites on big ticket economic items and leaves off the identity politics, they will win.

[Raga]

Relevant: https://spectator.us/migrant-caravan-self-interest/

"The migrant caravan isn’t an issue of good and evil. It’s about self-interest"

[Raga]

I know I am like spamming the hell out of this thread but I just found this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1093&v=yZYQpge1W5s

I think Jordan Peterson is only middling philosophically speaking. He's a purveyor of mostly harmless common sense liberally seeded with a bunch of erudite sounding rubbish and some weird fetishizing about mythological symbolism that elevates the common sense up to false profundity. However, this video is just brutal. He wipes the floor with this chick. It's by far the most potent thing of his I've seen.

[Augustei]

It totally depends on who they run. I can see scenarios in which he wins and scenarios in which he loses. If they run an uber progressive he will win though. If they run some likeable Joe Biden type moderate, they might win. If they run a bread and butter progressive who unites on big ticket economic items and leaves off the identity politics, they will win.

The names I keep seeing come up are Kirsten Gillibrand, Cory Booker, and Kamala Harris. If one of them is the Democratic nominee i'm legit going to start dropping some money on a Trump 2020 Presidency because they don't stand a chance. Bloomberg and Holder would never win the primaries, the rest of people that have expressed interest don't have much name recognition on a global level besides Biden and Warren. Oh and Michael Avenatti but I don't take his candidacy seriously.

I think Jordan Peterson is only middling philosophically speaking. He's a purveyor of mostly harmless common sense liberally seeded with a bunch of erudite sounding rubbish and some weird fetishizing about mythological symbolism that elevates the common sense up to false profundity. However, this video is just brutal. He wipes the floor with this chick. It's by far the most potent thing of his I've seen.

Don't let his rabid incel fans hear you say that or they'll scream at you about how you're misinterpreting him again.

[TTTX]

Here's the thing. When you have historians saying we're going down a dark path, and we've already passed a few markers that put us down the path to fascism, it indeed turns into an "us vs them".

It's telling when the soldier is telling people that there's a problem, and those people are antagonistic. You ghouls need your humanity checked.

Historians can't predict the future though, at best they can say "we are most likely going down this path, based on the information we have".

Soldiers are just people, what they say isn't always fact.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Here's the thing. When you have historians saying we're going down a dark path, and we've already passed a few markers that put us down the path to fascism, it indeed turns into an "us vs them".

It's telling when the soldier is telling people that there's a problem, and those people are antagonistic. You ghouls need your humanity checked.

Historians can't predict the future though, at best they can say "we are most likely going down this path, based on the information we have".

Soldiers are just people, what they say isn't always fact.

Mobius has one main tactic beyond insulting people and hysteria. The appeal to authority.

He will generally have a number of "Experts" who are very much ideologically capable of "right think" to give expert opinions. Which he then accepts as gospel.

Should anyone else post links to experts of their own those tend to get dismissed as the work of crazies and conspiracy theories.

[Mobius_118]

Mobius has one main tactic beyond insulting people and hysteria. The appeal to authority.

He will generally have a number of "Experts" who are very much ideologically capable of "right think" to give expert opinions. Which he then accepts as gospel.

Should anyone else post links to experts of their own those tend to get dismissed as the work of crazies and conspiracy theories.

That's because you post shit from right wing incels who whine about not being date-able because of feminism, when they spout anti-women rhetoric.

And I usually look at a minimum of four different sources before I accept it as plausible fact.

And "appeal to authority"? You are the very definition of a libertarian parasite. Your authority is money and power, sucking any dick to get a tax cut. Libertarians are the cancerous skin growths on the asses of conservatives. Completely worthless.

Next you'll tell me you're a sovereign citizen and that US law doesn't apply to you.

[Alienmorph]

Did you just use "incels" unironically? Really?!

[Mazder]

Your authority is money and power,

Isn't that how all authority is gained?
Law is only listened to because of the power to punish and the power to put in that punishment. Law is propped up by the money to pay people to uphold the law.
Money can be used as bribes, or the lack of money can be used as incentive. Society is driven by money and power, people can be coerced with power or the implication of power.

Authority of learning comes from the power of the knowledge able to be brought to the table, or by the power of many voices corroborating the results/claim.

All authority is a collection of money and power to some degree.

[Vol]

Merkel's resigning from leading her party.

"We can no longer count on the US as a reliable ally!"
"Germany must assume leadership of the western world!"
"By the way I quit lol"

But realistically, what's the likely outcome here? These "dramatic moments" in politics are always so much more banal than they're made to sound.

[TTTX]

"Germany must assume leadership of the western world!"

I swear I could hear Hitler laughing from beyond the grave when I read that.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gS8kKxbLng

Such a cuddly group aren't they?

[Vol]

And now the Ralph Retort's "Killstream," where various e-nobodies gossiped for a couple hours about each other, is being shut down because a WSJ journo did an expose on how there were Jew jokes in the stream chat!

Best part is that it was all locked, stocked, and ready to go before the article even came out. I for one cannot wait for journalists to work together with tech-monopolies to decide what everyone else gets to hear, host, or even put up on the internet. Aren't you? Surely random ass journalists are of such impeccable moral fortitude and intellectual honesty that this won't be fucking awful.

[Alienmorph]

I've seen some episodes of the Killistream, they're the guys who exposed Mundane Matt as a mass-flagger and took the piss at Sargon of Akkhad a few times, among the other things.

I wouldn't be surprised if the thing got take out because they pissed off the wrong people, more than because of a few dumb edgy jokes.

[Augustei]

I remember them saying something about the Jews essentially living in luxury at Auschwitz because of how clean and pest free their clothes were because of Zyclone B (The gas used to kill Jews, originally an insecticide), and how they had a tennis court and swimming pool (partially true, Auschwitz was a massive complex and these facilities were at only 1 of the camps, i'm guessing for important POWs. But yeah only for one of the Auschwitz camps, not the infamous one everyone knows) but I never watched the stream enough to know whether they were just partaking in dark comedy or were a bunch of Holocaust deniers, I think the host was laughing but gauge the guests were dead serious, it's been a while.

Tbh i'm surprised they weren't taken down sooner since they were the number 1 stream on youtube and so somebody in the media was bound to hear something like this. Wouldn't be surprised if it was a butt-hurt member of the skeptic community that tipped off the WSJ though, those guys are always turning on each other, if so my money is on a certain split dicked german who goes on about pregnant trout: Kraut and Tea, since he is on a vendetta against the alt-right and all those he perceives to be its members atm, not really for ideological or moral reasons but because they managed to make him look like an idiot (not too hard to do with a skeptic) , which would be extremely ironic since "Jesus we should have gassed them all" -Kraut and Tea

[Alienmorph]

Pretty sure it was just dumb edgy humor as I said. But it's easy as whole hell to take those kind of things and muddy the waters, and I have seen only a few Killstreams.

And yes, the whole anti-SJW and skeptic communities are full of people who are REALLY fucking good at acting just as bad as the people they claim to fight again. One of the semi-regular guests of the Killstream, Mr Metokour, has made a bunch of videos and livestreams about their b.s. who have pissed off alot of people, especially Sargon and the other skeptics, who then tried to make an "exposè livestream" against him. Where he talks for 20 minutes with himself, because he set it up on mute by accident, and nobody could tell him to fix it, because he disabled chats and comments, like a pussy.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Yes. Jim is a good boy. He and the Sweetie Squad were doing a public service by poking fun at Sargon.

[Alienmorph]

Don't worry, Sargon is gonna do alright. He's going to save the west by starting Gamergate 2.0. with Mundanematt.

[Augustei]

Oh yeah totes, Don Sargone will reject the mantle of leadership not twice but thrice, and after having it thrust upon his humble self and many smug chuckles he will lead the global gamergate network, revived and empowered by a trump tweet to finally save the west by crushing the evil feminazis and bring ethics to games journalism once and for all. Then idk i guess we can all play ball in the park with our wife's kids or something.

And anyone who thinks that sounds like the dumbest shit they've ever read clearly lack the sophistication to comprehend such a plan, and there's more to it but you wouldn't understand, now i'm sleepy so i'm going to go talk to my buddies in discord for an hour and a half then go to bed, no more questions. Good day. *tips fedora*

[Alienmorph]

First time I've had a genuine chuckle when reading something in this thread.

[DarkStorm]

Still talking about immigration? Even after all the shit that's happening in northern UK and Sweden and Germany? Seriously?

[Mazder]

Still talking about immigration? Even after all the shit that's happening in northern UK and Sweden and Germany? Seriously?

I know, right?!?!??!?!!

[TTTX]

Still talking about immigration? Even after all the shit that's happening in northern UK and Sweden and Germany? Seriously?

Well USA is always late to the party.

[DarkStorm]

Still talking about immigration? Even after all the shit that's happening in northern UK and Sweden and Germany? Seriously?

Well USA is always late to the party.

I'd rather not be in the that party.

[TTTX]

I'd rather not be in the that party.

same, but unfortunately my government don't leave me much of a choice, since immigrants are everywhere and with that comes problems which are getting worse.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1TrY-t0ng

[Raga]

Still talking about immigration? Even after all the shit that's happening in northern UK and Sweden and Germany? Seriously?

Merkel stepping down which there has been rumblings of for like 2 years. Other than that, what precisely? The midterms are tomorrow. It makes sense people would be focused on those. Americans anyway.

[DarkStorm]

Still talking about immigration? Even after all the shit that's happening in northern UK and Sweden and Germany? Seriously?

Merkel stepping down which there has been rumblings of for like 2 years. Other than that, what precisely? The midterms are tomorrow. It makes sense people would be focused on those. Americans anyway.

The muslim grooming gangs controlling a section of a city (which has to be marked off with warning signs) raping girls and beating the shit out of people. Sounds like a wonderful addition into american -slow clap-

[Mazder]

Still talking about immigration? Even after all the shit that's happening in northern UK and Sweden and Germany? Seriously?

Merkel stepping down which there has been rumblings of for like 2 years. Other than that, what precisely? The midterms are tomorrow. It makes sense people would be focused on those. Americans anyway.

The muslim grooming gangs controlling a section of a city (which has to be marked off with warning signs) raping girls and beating the shit out of people. Sounds like a wonderful addition into american -slow clap-

Don't go to north yorkshire then.
There is an entire muslim town. Not a native brit in sight.
Old english homes now populated by not a single brit.

What's that about them integrating into society again? What's that about them being a part of the social fabric of the nation? What's that about segregation not happening in the western world?

[FrozenShadow]

@Alien: To quote a meme, almost every human that has ever lived would be a violent, right-wing extremist by our standards. This last 80 or so years of relative peace and progressive social moments and effusive social welfare is a bold experiment. But the consequences of the world wars are fading. Way I see it, we've been living in a steep local maxima of change since our grandparents and we're heading back to equilibrium.

Though what we're heading to is going to be different. Too many structures and restraints have been destroyed, stem and root. So probably no putting women back in the kitchen, or kings, or colonizing Africa. But probably less international cooperation, more land skirmishes, and ethno-states.

Indeed. It has already been so long since both world ars that less and less people have any emotional connections or even any real stakes at those times. Most people these days just reads about them in history books, either at school or on their free time. This way newer generations starts to see those wars as just stories, like we see Napoleons's wars at early 1800s, not to mention of anything older than that. People might know it happened and read facts about them....but it just doesn't truly mean anything for them as they don't have any contact or stakes on them. And now the same is happening to both world wars.

Which is why I wouldn't be at all surprised, if the world is thrown in another large scale world war in next 20-50 years. After all, this had already started with right wing movements becoming popular in many countries, not to mention of rising nationalistic ideals and all of this "some people are better than others for one reason or another" ideology that many people seems to favor. All of these had preceded major armed conflicts in the history and could happen again.

Only silver lining here is the fact that whole world is so tied up to global markets, countertrade and "global life" that any sort of major war is bad for everyone. No one really wants to start major war as it it would end up being bad for them too.

[Raga]

I think the thing that really prevented WWIII wasn't existential horror at WWII but nuclear weapons. It's made war between the great powers next to unthinkable. It's why most wars since have been proxy wars, wars between pissant countries, or civil wars.