Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I'm still baffled to ear a grown man using the term "incel" unironically.

Mobius has a really bad habit of using terms the media started using in his insults.

He gets a software update and has a new list of responses to give Player characters.

[Sinekein]

Well, I am baffled to see grown men using the term "SJW" unironically.

[TheodoricFriede]

You would be.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Well, I am baffled to see grown men using the term "SJW" unironically.

There are actually people who proudly accept the title of "Social Justice Warrior" They're usually intolerable moral busybodies who believe with absolute certainty in the rightness of their cause even as the world turns against them.

[Alienmorph]

Well, I am baffled to see grown men using the term "SJW" unironically.

The term itself is ironic. It's why I like NPCs better anyway.

[Sinekein]

Well, I am baffled to see grown men using the term "SJW" unironically.

There are actually people who proudly accept the title of "Social Justice Warrior" They're usually intolerable moral busybodies who believe with absolute certainty in the rightness of their cause even as the world turns against them.

Thing is, almost every time it's used, it is to complain about the increase in their influence and/or how they are ruining something - which does not go hand to hand with the world turning against them.

[TTTX]

Well, I am baffled to see grown men using the term "SJW" unironically.

well you can blame extremist who have made SJW a dirty word and that's saying it nicely.

[DarkStorm]

Nothing like seeing a ideology being a religious cult. Humans are certainly something else.

[Sinekein]

Well, I am baffled to see grown men using the term "SJW" unironically.

well you can blame extremist who have made SJW a dirty word and that's saying it nicely.

It rose to prominence with a negative connotation during the Gamergate era, an era which was a net loss for human intelligence as a whole. And it was certainly not promoted by people who identified as SJW.

[TTTX]

It rose to prominence with a negative connotation during the Gamergate era, an era which was a net loss for human intelligence as a whole. And it was certainly not promoted by people who identified as SJW.

pretty much.

Although there are people who claim to be SJW, who ruins the good name of the people who try to do good, by acting like a bunch of crazy people that screams sexist, racist and so on as soon as someone disagree with them and they can be pretty loud.

[Alienmorph]

It rose to prominence with a negative connotation during the Gamergate era, an era which was a net loss for human intelligence as a whole. And it was certainly not promoted by people who identified as SJW.

I think the whole Gamergate thing has been blown up waaaaaaaaaaay out of proportions by both sides. You listen to the people on the receiving end of it, and they make it sound like they had the SS knocking at their doors. You listen to morons like MundaneMatt and Sargon and they make it sound like thei were the brave rebels fighting the Evil Snowflake Empire. In the end it was just two groups of e-celebs with huge egos waving their dicks in front of one another, not really accomplishing anything other than advertising their own echo chambers.

And those where the GOOD days. Now most of the anti-SJW are just as rotten as those who they fight against, and I really don't feel like either side deserves praise or attention.

Pointing at them, calling them funny names and have a chuckle or two is pretty much all thei're good for. Again, on both sides. That's why I feel like using the term SJW at times.

[Mobius_118]

We still have the House. And there's more than a few governorships that flipped blue handily as well.

Basically trump is fucked. Him and the entire GOP will have to answer for their crimes and negligence, and it won't be pretty. All the while, GAC, you will continue to be the same obstinate little corporate whore you always were, blindly denying reality.

By the way, incel fits you nicely. Your constant bleating is something of a spectacle, although not at all unique compared to every other libertarian I've met. You are all deluded dipshits, and it's only fitting that your attempts to diminish the results of the general elections because it didn't go your way.

Enjoy the show, shitbag.

[Mobius_118]

Oh, and trump's plan to staunch an "invasion" at the border has completely fallen off the news reporting cycles. Seems it was just another scare tactic to get fools to fear brown people.

And today he declined to visit a WWI memorial in France because of a little rain. What a disappointment he is, how disrespectful of veterans. Seems to be yet another shitty trait GAC and him share.

[TheodoricFriede]

God you really are going to commit suicide when Trump wins in 2020, aren't you?

[Mobius_118]

Oh boy, I knew you went full retard, but this goes beyond stupidity.

To answer your insipid question, no. That's the cowards way out. Trump will be impeached anyway, so it's a moot point. Something about the House having oversight now. Don the con can't weasel his way out of that.

[TTTX]

Oh boy, I knew you went full retard, but this goes beyond stupidity.

To answer your insipid question, no. That's the cowards way out. Trump will be impeached anyway, so it's a moot point. Something about the House having oversight now. Don the con can't weasel his way out of that.

Well they need to find some evidence first and can't be based purely on witness statements as witnesses can be very questionable especially at the moment, since people can get a lot of fame and money out doing stuff like that if a case is popular enough and you can get enough people sympathy.

[Alienmorph]

Sleazy politicians always find a way to slither their way out of troubles. If there was something so glaring that Trump might be impeached for it, it would have happened already. The best thing the people in the US could do now, instead of keep raging against the Orange Troll, is start to look for a valid replacement for when the next election comes. Someone that all the people who don't waste their time online being mad at the "white patriarchs" can also agree seems like a good pick for the job.

[Mobius_118]

There's was already enough evidence to get the 25th Amendment going a year ago. Then there's his actions to discredit the investigations into everyone he's appointed as well as himself. Truly, those are the actions of an innocent man, sarcasm heavily implied.

He'll be lucky to make it through 2019. Then we'll see who truly falls on their sword, figuratively and literally.

Winning the House was not a small feat, no matter what the fuckfaces here say.

[Alienmorph]

Did I even implied that Trump is innocent? What part of "sleazy politician" and "Orange Troll" did you miss... ?

[Mobius_118]

I wasn't implying you were one of the fuckfaces.

[TTTX]

Sleazy politicians always find a way to slither their way out of troubles. If there was something so glaring that Trump might be impeached for it, it would have happened already. The best thing the people in the US could do now, instead of keep raging against the Orange Troll, is start to look for a valid replacement for when the next election comes. Someone that all the people who don't waste their time online being mad at the "white patriarchs" can also agree seems like a good pick for the job.

Yeah that's really what should be the focus and it shouldn't be to hard after all it's Trump even Hillary could have won, if she had done her job better instead not consider him a threat to begin with.

There's was already enough evidence to get the 25th Amendment going a year ago. Then there's his actions to discredit the investigations into everyone he's appointed as well as himself. Truly, those are the actions of an innocent man, sarcasm heavily implied.

He'll be lucky to make it through 2019. Then we'll see who truly falls on their sword, figuratively and literally.

Winning the House was not a small feat, no matter what the fuckfaces here say.

Meh even if Trump get removed I'm pretty sure the Vice President takes over at least that's how it works in the USA.

the Demo won the House, but it wasn't the big victory as they had hoped.

[Mobius_118]

As soon as Pence gets into power, he'll be too scared to do anything to warrant getting removed as well. The fact that trump has been useless this entire time means that Pence will be under even more scrutiny.

Every member of the GOP has been cashing out. That's a pretty big red flag that they know the jig is up.

[TTTX]

As soon as Pence gets into power, he'll be too scared to do anything to warrant getting removed as well. The fact that trump has been useless this entire time means that Pence will be under even more scrutiny.

Every member of the GOP has been cashing out. That's a pretty big red flag that they know the jig is up.

Assuming Trump get removed to begin with and that's not a grantee no matter how much you want it to be.

And this comes from someone who had someone during an election get off from Tax evasion and still managed to become Primeminister of my country and it was way more obvious then with Trump.

[Alienmorph]

I wasn't implying you were one of the fuckfaces.

Right. Just making sure, some times it's hard to tell.

Yeah that's really what should be the focus and it shouldn't be to hard after all it's Trump even Hillary could have won, if she had done her job better instead not consider him a threat to begin with.

That's kind of it indeed. I guess alot of people just thought that Trump was a joke of a candidate, and that it was gonna be the natural progression to get the first female US President, after the first black one. Too bad public opinion steadily turned against Obama and the left in the last years of his second mandate, that Hillary in the eyes of many was a sleazy control freak (not without reasons) and that she was too busy parading how many Hollywood friends she had, while Trump on the other man, being the conman that he is, was really REALLY good at selling himself to the public.

[TTTX]

That's kind of it indeed. I guess alot of people just thought that Trump was a joke of a candidate, and that it was gonna be the natural progression to get the first female US President, after the first black one. Too bad public opinion steadily turned against Obama and the left in the last years of his second mandate, that Hillary in the eyes of many was a sleazy control freak (not without reasons) and that she was too busy parading how many Hollywood friends she had, while Trump on the other man, being the conman that he is, was really REALLY good at selling himself to the public.

You can probably write a book about what went wrong in the election and how Trump won.

Doesn't matter even if Hillary had won the USA wouldn't have the golden age as some of her followers proclaimed she would bring, she would have bought other problems for the country to deal with after she left.

[Alienmorph]

Definately not. Best case scenario she was gonna be just as average as when she was puppetteering the Bill Clinton's administration.

But at least we wouldn't have the biggest political meltdown of the last 50-60 years going on through the whole West, and it'd be still possible to talk with people you don't agree with without being labeled a nazi or an sjw, with no nuance or inbetweens.

[TTTX]

Definately not. Best case scenario she was gonna be just as average as when she was puppetteering the Bill Clinton's administration.

But at least we wouldn't have the biggest political meltdown of the last 50-60 years going on through the whole West, and it'd be still possible to talk with people you don't agree with without being labeled a nazi or an sjw, with no nuance or inbetweens.

That's what my grandmother says.

I'm pretty it would have happened at some point regardless expect maybe it would have been the other side who went batshit crazy instead though and the "SJW" who would sit and gloat.

[Alienmorph]

We're definately in a moment of history that definately favors one extreme vs the other mindsets, but I can't help to think that hadn't we got someone as controversial as Trump in charge of one of the most powerful nations of the planet, things might at least a bit better now, or at least not even worse.

[TTTX]

We're definately in a moment of history that definately favors one extreme vs the other mindsets, but I can't help to think that hadn't we got someone as controversial as Trump in charge of one of the most powerful nations of the planet, things might at least a bit better now, or at least not even worse.

We'll never know for sure.

But then when you push for extremes well it is going to result on push back and hostility eventually.

[Raga]

Oh boy, I knew you went full retard, but this goes beyond stupidity.

To answer your insipid question, no. That's the cowards way out. Trump will be impeached anyway, so it's a moot point. Something about the House having oversight now. Don the con can't weasel his way out of that.

You do realize that even if the house votes for impeachment that his trial it goes before the Senate right?

[DarkStorm]

Oh boy, I knew you went full retard, but this goes beyond stupidity.

To answer your insipid question, no. That's the cowards way out. Trump will be impeached anyway, so it's a moot point. Something about the House having oversight now. Don the con can't weasel his way out of that.

You do realize that even if the house votes for impeachment that his trial it goes before the Senate right?

Guess he forgot that the GOP stayed in the senate and got a little more in there.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

We still have the House. And there's more than a few governorships that flipped blue handily as well.

Basically trump is fucked. Him and the entire GOP will have to answer for their crimes and negligence, and it won't be pretty. All the while, GAC, you will continue to be the same obstinate little corporate whore you always were, blindly denying reality.

By the way, incel fits you nicely. Your constant bleating is something of a spectacle, although not at all unique compared to every other libertarian I've met. You are all deluded dipshits, and it's only fitting that your attempts to diminish the results of the general elections because it didn't go your way.

Enjoy the show, shitbag.

Yes. Contratulations you managed to take the least important part of the government in a midterm. Which usually happens. You also did an amazing job of removing Neocons and Never Trumpers. So those that remain are going to be more compliant which I like.

Your view of reality is warped and has been for quite a while now.

And again. Your use of the insult Incel doesn't work. It stands for involuntary celibate. I am neither of those things. Then again I really shouldn't be so hard on someone who thinks having roads makes a country socialist.

[Augustei]

GOP under Trump has lost 32 to 43 seats still counting
Under Obama the DNC lost 64 in 2010
Under Clinton they lost 54 in 1994
Both went on to win their next elections. (Bush made gains in case you're wondering but that's likely due to 9/11 causing fear among voters which favors the incumbent)
Call me skeptical about this being the end of the road for Trump in terms of 2020 indicators

I did see it as an indicator that a Progressive takeover of the DNC has and will be dashed against the wall however
The election results are a serious wake up call for progressives
So the DNC will be sticking with the Pelosi and Schumer style democrats for some time yet, as to the Presidency we'll have to wait and see how Warren does

[Sinekein]

The main difference is that Democratic voters are more easily dissatisfied than GOP ones. There is not the same loyalty towards their elected officials on the left than the right.

Last time the GOP lost that many seats in an election was in 1946 I think.

[Mobius_118]

Ok, so I'll just dump the established fact that roads are built by the Department of Transportation, which is a department in the federal government. Something that runs off of taxes, not the capitalist market.

You know, Democratic Socialism. Right up there with the Department of Energy, managing our power grids, and you get the point. We're infrastructure socialists. No matter how many times you shit your pants, GAC, reality is not in your favor.

Now go sit in a corner and think about how stupid you truly are, Libertarian.

[TTTX]

Ok, so I'll just dump the established fact that roads are built by the Department of Transportation, which is a department in the federal government. Something that runs off of taxes, not the capitalist market.

You know, Democratic Socialism. Right up there with the Department of Energy, managing our power grids, and you get the point. We're infrastructure socialists. No matter how many times you shit your pants, GAC, reality is not in your favor.

Now go sit in a corner and think about how stupid you truly are, Libertarian.

It's going to be very hard to make money if the roads, power and other stuff isn't kept in working order.

It's more common sense, with a bit of greed, to make sure the infrastructure works, it's one of the reasons why the Sovjet Union fell after all as their infrastructure sucked what little they had.

[Mazder]

Infrastructure doesn't equal socialism.
Even "Democratic Socialism", which is still an economic system. As in how money is produced, not how it's allocated.
You can have tax based systems in a Capitalist society as Capitalists recognize you need some basic shit to operate a free market effectively. You need roads to make sure your trucks can move your product, you need power so you can charge people for it and supply power to your businesses, you need clean running water so people are alive to come to your store and buy your products.
Capitalists recognize this. some taxes are okay, it's where too much is the stipulation.
Now under Democratic Socialism, or just straight up Socialism as that's inherently what it is, these things are all run by the state and can only be run by the state and so if the state falls under some form of collapse or turmoil the power definitely goes out instead of maybe going out. The water definitely becomes cut off instead of maybe, and even then there would be no alternatives like "buying bottled water" as there would be no privately owned springs to keep themselves running.

Hell just on the water system alone in some areas of the USA if you removed the Capitalist companies ability to have private land and any disruption of that land being up for a lawsuit if the US government fucks it up (say by contaminating a privately owned spring by fucking up land nearby via fracking or some shit) then the government in this Democratic Socialist society would have screwed itself over and would have ruined a lot of it's water supply and might have to import water.
And that's on one thing.

I think what you're trying to mean is Social Democracy. Which is not Democratic Socialism. While Democratic Socialism wants to remove Capitalist systems from their economic control Social Democracy wants to support societal based systems inside a Capitalist structure.
It's seen as a compromise between Socialism and Capitalism, but mainly from the stance of Socialism.
Even so I'd still not want to put it into effect on it's own.

[Raga]

Ok, so I'll just dump the established fact that roads are built by the Department of Transportation, which is a department in the federal government. Something that runs off of taxes, not the capitalist market.

You know, Democratic Socialism. Right up there with the Department of Energy, managing our power grids, and you get the point. We're infrastructure socialists. No matter how many times you shit your pants, GAC, reality is not in your favor.

Now go sit in a corner and think about how stupid you truly are, Libertarian.

By this measure, the royal forest in the Middle Ages is a socialist institution because it was maintained by foresters paid by the government and it was owned by the government. The same could also be said for state run enterprises run by slave labor in Nazi Germany.

[Raga]

I'm probably in a minority on this, but I actually think a Nancy Pelosi speakership will be *good* for Democrats. She has an interest in not just allowing Congress to be used for purposes of grandstanding for potential presidential candidates. She's also a moderate on the topic of impeachment, which is a strategic dead-end for Democrats. At worst, she might just turn into an ineffectual Boehner type person, who can't get anything done because of the activist wackos in her own party. However, she *might* be able to get something like infrastructure worked on considering the Trumpers will be on board with anything that makes Trump look good.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

It's kind of inspirational how consistently wrong you are about most things Mobius.

That said the fact that you have consistently used the lower portion of the political compass as an insult just does a great job of portraying how much of an authoritarian far left nut job you are.

[Alienmorph]

And THIS is the kind of shit that makes me have no sympathy for the extreme left people. The body isn't even cold yet, FUCK OFF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuNPf2NWick

[Raga]

The various swarms of buzzards and other carrion feeders who flock to tragedy in general to milk it for various political agendas always nauseate me. It's a pretty good detector for partisan chicanery though. Is the first thing they think when confronted with tragedy something like "how can I make this into a snazzy argument for or against X?" Then they are probably a partisan hack.

[Vol]

Yeah, I'm well and truly spent on hot takes, gossiping, long chains of reaction videos to set off e-feuds, "Ben Shapiro MOUTHFUCKS these SJW LOONS with FIVE INCHES OF SEMITIC LOGIC and watch this FEMINAZI RUPTURE with STUPIDITY!", and so on. It felt great during Gamergate, when this was all new and fresh, but it's been the same shit for years now, nothing gets done, and the authoritarians always win. But the step from partisan hack to actual partisan isn't to be made lightly, so I can't fault people too much for riding the easy gravy train.

[Alienmorph]

I have stopped to be surprised by the sheer stupidity of most online political-driven people. On all parts of the spectrum.

But pissing on someone who just died... that still gets me.

[TTTX]

I have stopped to be surprised by the sheer stupidity of most online political-driven people. On all parts of the spectrum.

But pissing on someone who just died... that still gets me.

I like to imagine there is a special place in the after life for such people, somewhere very painful to spend eternity.

[Sinekein]

It's more common sense, with a bit of greed, to make sure the infrastructure works, it's one of the reasons why the Sovjet Union fell after all as their infrastructure sucked what little they had.

That's actually wrong. At the moment in Moscow, there is a big debate about the Khrouchtchevskis, which are buildings whose construction Khrhouchtchev ordered in the Fifties. The current mayor wants to raze them because they are often falling in ruin - the controversy is linked to the fact that he does it "the Putin way", ie without really asking first if inhabitants are okay with being relocated.

Thing is, under the USSR, the Khrouchtchevskis were well maintained. Sure, they did not look gorgeous, and were not extremely comfy, but they were functional and, more importantly, due to the way Socialism works, they were well-maintained.

Seriously, you can blame many things on socialism, but infrastructure, education and healthcare are not among them. That's why despite the vast, vast difference in wealth, Cubans and Americans actually have the same life expectancy, among other things, and that Cuba has the highest rate of alphabetization in the world (and many countries in the top 10 are former USSR countries, like Estonia, Latvia...).

North Korea is an exception because it does not follow Socialism anymore, it is a Juche country.

Now under Democratic Socialism, or just straight up Socialism as that's inherently what it is, these things are all run by the state and can only be run by the state and so if the state falls under some form of collapse or turmoil the power definitely goes out instead of maybe going out. The water definitely becomes cut off instead of maybe, and even then there would be no alternatives like "buying bottled water" as there would be no privately owned springs to keep themselves running.

I'll remind you that the most obvious case of infrastructure failure in the recent years, the collapsing of the bridge in Genoa, came in a country that had not experienced Socialism ever. On the contrary, at the moment, it is in full "NO TAXES" mode. Guess what, no taxes means no money to ensure those infrastructures are well taken care of.

Another "full free market" country, the USA, currently has its life expectancy decreasing. Because while rich areas have it all, poor ones are left to rot with no way whatsoever to get out of the (sometimes literal) dumpster.

So it basically boils down to being born in the right place. If you're poor white trash from Nowhereville, Alabama, and you have to grow up with a single mom in a mobile home with no running water and surrounded by meth addicts - tough luck. But it's America, so you can always dream of being rich (and never actually getting out of where you started).

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On a sidenote, I think I realized that at the moment and for the first time in, what, forever? You have a President of the US that is jealous of our little French leader. It's become hilarious to watch Trump start his rants, trying to goad Macron into a fight, only for him to use the Obama method of "ignoring his tantrums altogether" and just be the adult in the room. I have many, many reasons to criticize Macron, but his international stature is not one of them.

It's also what works: just ignore all the shit he says, and focus on what you say. If the Dems want to win in 2020, they should look for whoever is charismatic enough to have room in the media, and smart enough to follow his own agenda, instead of reacting to the latest and inevitable Trump insult. That's actually what Macron mostly did during his face-to-face with Le Pen, he barely adressed her (except to say some neutral "You're wrong"-like statements, nothing personal), instead he talked to whoever was watching the debate, wryly smiling while she threw her (admittedly uninspired compared to DJT) insults.

At the moment, if Macron had reacted, then the titles would be about the feud. Since he said nothing, the news are wondering "seriously, why did that happen? Oh yeah, Macron gave a speech about multilateralism a few days ago."And they talk about it again, making his position as "great supporter of multilateralism" obvious.

Now, it probably itches some people to find some choice words for attacks this childish and petty, but it would be entirely counterproductive. At the moment Macron and Merkel are showing that for their flaws they know what diplomacy is about - it is also extremely obvious when you see them mention Brexit, especially when you compare to Brexit harliner donkeys like Boris Johnson whose trumpish method boils down to "cause outrage".

And it also makes it obvious that bullying is the only method Trump knows. You'd think that a guy who complains that other countries underfund NATO and "the US have to protect them" would be ecstatic to see the EU have its own, non-US funded army. Except if there actually was a European army, it could actually be powerful, powerful enough to be hard to strongarm one-on-one. It's easy for the US to take on France alone, or Germany alone, but them plus others together is another story altogether.

That's also basically the entire reason he hates the EU. It makes it harder for him to be the sole decider of what happens. When you have the biggest stick, and the only thing you know is how to use it (or threaten to), you want one-on-one fights.

Seriously, this can explain his entire international relationships except his adoration for Russia. China? Rival, must be fought so as not to grow too much. Philippines, Brazil? Better off led by lunatics who'll go solo. The EU? Best dismantled so you can take the spare parts one by one.

[Alienmorph]

I'll remind you that the most obvious case of infrastructure failure in the recent years, the collapsing of the bridge in Genoa, came in a country that had not experienced Socialism ever. On the contrary, at the moment, it is in full "NO TAXES" mode. Guess what, no taxes means no money to ensure those infrastructures are well taken care of.

It's a bit more complicate than that. Most of our transports and infrastructures are handled by mostly private companies, although supposedly co-funded by the government. But it is true, that that most of the time it means that they get less than the cut the government owes them to keep things running, and in return when something like that bridge going down happens they get to take all the blame. Basically most of that shit is semi-privatized, but it's still not enough to keep things togheter properly, because we've had 40 or so years of shit government, tight funds and poor planning on where those funds went. Don't be surprised if a few months from now some other bridge goes down around here.

[Sinekein]

Governments may be bad or at the very least disappointing, but they have a fundamental difference with private-²owned companies in that the bottom line is not what they care about - most of the time, they care about being reelected. And when the government services are too crappy, it's hard to be reelected.

So they can privatize, the easy way, which means that they can shift the blame at will. But when govs actually keep taking care of public services, they will usually be better at that than any private equivalent for whom the service will always come after the benefits.

Somertimes it's great, mostly when innovation is important - so, like phone operators or internet. But when what matters is just getting the job done - like infrastructure - I'll always trust public spending over private companies. Because those companies will only ever care about what benefits them, and won't give two fucks about taking care of poorer areas where not much money is to be made.

In many matters, public spending (and as such, taxes) are by FAR the lesser of two evils.

Saying that you can have the better of two worlds, e.g. no taxes but awesome services, is populism at its finest. We're having an assembly like that on Saturday, the "Yellow Jackets" who want to block roads to contest rising taxes on oil (taxes being raised to fight pollution and help develop more ecological energy sources). They complain about taxes but are also the same who complain when country hospitals, or schools, close, or when small roads aren't being well-taken care of. They want the Libertarian utopia where they owe nothing to anyone, but where there also is that magical hand that takes care of the hundreds of things they don't even realize are supposed to be paid by their taxes. Taking care of garbage. Water system. Roads. Schools. Hospitals. Public lighting. Police. The Army. Infrastructures. Firemen.

If one of them stops me when going or coming back to work, I think I will have a hard time staying polite and quiet.

[TTTX]

That's actually wrong. At the moment in Moscow, there is a big debate about the Khrouchtchevskis, which are buildings whose construction Khrhouchtchev ordered in the Fifties. The current mayor wants to raze them because they are often falling in ruin - the controversy is linked to the fact that he does it "the Putin way", ie without really asking first if inhabitants are okay with being relocated.

Thing is, under the USSR, the Khrouchtchevskis were well maintained. Sure, they did not look gorgeous, and were not extremely comfy, but they were functional and, more importantly, due to the way Socialism works, they were well-maintained.

Seriously, you can blame many things on socialism, but infrastructure, education and healthcare are not among them. That's why despite the vast, vast difference in wealth, Cubans and Americans actually have the same life expectancy, among other things, and that Cuba has the highest rate of alphabetization in the world (and many countries in the top 10 are former USSR countries, like Estonia, Latvia...).

North Korea is an exception because it does not follow Socialism anymore, it is a Juche country.

The USSR Infrastruktur were hit and miss depending where you lived after it was a very big country after all, but it's wasn't Socialisme fault, because pure Socialisme doesn't work in practice as it generally leads to bankruptcy and/or dictatorship kind of ruler system.

NK is basically the USSR under Stalin, a Dictatorship with a one ruler up top instead of an entire part being the leaders, nothing more, nothing less at least in simple terms.

[Mobius_118]

So GAC, what you're saying is that acknowledging and accepting facts that are observable with repeatable, reliable results is authoritarian... And that knowing how the system actually operates is considered authoritarian...I don't even have to finish this train of thought. You are a silly bitch.

Go. Tell all your little dick pals that you're going to go build roads with your personal finances. See how feasible it is. Go and fund a complete rebuild of Flint's water system. Put your money where your mouth is, Libertarian.