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Re: Animation and Comics

Postby TTTX » November 22nd, 2021, 7:10 am

magnuskn wrote:Woof, really? That's terrible and I never heard of it before.

Augh, don't remind me of Civil War 2, another event which terribly failed in many respects. Even worse was the one where they murdered the "old" MU and replaced it with basically the same version of it, only with added Miles Morales and some minor changes around the edges. Marvel really has been doing shitty events one after another and when COVID hit and the release schedule got all fucked up, it was finally the break I needed to quit.

from what I remember she got bullied for a lot of reasons because popularity, the iron heart bulling came from twitter if I remember correctly.

Well the civil war 2 was only made because of the movie and you can tell.
As for the other one apparently Marvel wanted to make their own version of the new 52, but because of what happened with DC and their new 52, Marvel got cold feet and basically back tracked, but still added Miles as he was pretty much the only popular thing left of the ultimate series.
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Re: Animation and Comics

Postby Alienmorph » November 22nd, 2021, 7:21 am

The mega-reboot did do a nice thing. It provided us a cutout date. Marvel as we know it died in 2015 when they literally blew up the old Multiverse and gave it even a time of death, as far as I'm concerned.

There have been a few good things slipping through the cracks, past that. Like Immortal Hulk, or the new Annhilation events, but everything else... meeeeeh.

As for Civil War... even the first comic aged horribly, so I don't even want to think about how "fondly" the second one will be looked at in a few more years. It's funny people got mad at the Civil War movie for being almost nothing like the comics... when that was EXACTLY why it turned out as good as it did lol

And yeah, I remember the bulliying thing. People were "worried" that they were gonna whitewash IronHeart and have her be Tony's daughter, so they tried to scare away the child playing her. Almost equally as funny was when people on Twitter tried the first couple times to cancel Chris Pratt... essentially for being white and republican and Zoe Saldana spoke (and most of the other MCU actors) in his defense. The average responses were things like "Of course the Domenican spoke in his defense! Those fake -n word- always liked too much the taste of white cock!". And no, that's not me exagerating.

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Re: Animation and Comics

Postby TTTX » November 22nd, 2021, 8:07 am

Alienmorph wrote:As for Civil War... even the first comic aged horribly, so I don't even want to think about how "fondly" the second one will be looked at in a few more years. It's funny people got mad at the Civil War movie for being almost nothing like the comics... when that was EXACTLY why it turned out as good as it did lol

at least the original civil war had the themes of freedom vs security which are time less, the execution could have been better and it doesn't help that some of the characters don't act like themselves like Captain America who acts more like his ultimate counterpart.
The movies basically took those themes and executed them better which is why the movie is better then the comic.
Civil war 2 is basically about Carol find an inhuman who can "predict" the future and takes everything he says as gospel and then Tony discovers that the inhuman can't predict the future, but calculate the most likely outcome, but carol refuse to listen and war starts.
Basically it's about carol being wrong, refusing to admit it and basically causes a war because of it.

Alienmorph wrote:And yeah, I remember the bulliying thing. People were "worried" that they were gonna whitewash IronHeart and have her be Tony's daughter, so they tried to scare away the child playing her. Almost equally as funny was when people on Twitter tried the first couple times to cancel Chris Pratt... essentially for being white and republican and Zoe Saldana spoke (and most of the other MCU actors) in his defense. The average responses were things like "Of course the Domenican spoke in his defense! Those fake -n word- always liked too much the taste of white cock!". And no, that's not me exagerating.

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Re: Animation and Comics

Postby magnuskn » November 22nd, 2021, 9:17 am

Well, they got one thing right, and that is Tony Stark pushing his mistakes onto the larger world instead of working on himself. ^^

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Re: Animation and Comics

Postby Alienmorph » November 22nd, 2021, 10:43 am

The main problem with stuff like Civil War in the comics is that the characters fighting each other have some much baggabe, both in terms of past history and emotional connections to each other, that they either they should stick togheter no matter how much shit hits the fan, or end up absolutely hating each other and want to have nothing to do with one another ever again. A crossover even where they fight for a bit, and then eventually status quo and usual characters dynamics are restored by definition is gonna be a plothole-riddled mess that has several of the people involved in it acting horribly out of character.

The first Civil War comic reeked of Bush Era rethoric: it was basically the whole Mutant Registration Act controversy, but extended to all people with power, and kickstarted by a supervillain blowing up a small town, in a way visually similar to a suicide bomber attack. With the "real hero" being IronMan in the end for "daring to do anything necessary to make people feel safe" and Cap being depicted as a foolish idealist turned phanatic.

The second one reeked of MeToo Era rethoric, with the conflict basically being Captain Marvel wanting to push the "guilty until proven innocent" mentality, because she came across this one asshole who could predict the "most likely future". And IronMan being treated as the foolish, stubborn dude who should have listened to her, and who eventually gets killed because he didn't. Oh, and with Nazi-Cap manipulating both sides to set up an even worse "big event".

The movie version has neither of the comics' flaws, everyone is behaving consistently and you end up really feeling sorry for both sides, like when you're watching two friends arguining and you can see that both have their reasons. And there's no magic "let be fwiends!" again either... it takes years and Thanos killing half the universe for the Avengers to be a thing again after it. It's just a better story, as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Animation and Comics

Postby magnuskn » November 22nd, 2021, 2:59 pm

Yeah, it's amazing how good the movies turned out to be overall, while the comics are flailing around in all kinds of directions. I guess having to follow the vision of one dude who has his shit together just *may* be a good idea.

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Re: Animation and Comics

Postby Alienmorph » November 22nd, 2021, 3:19 pm

I'd put it more on the Russo Brothers than on Feige, to be honest. Especially now that he's on his way to repeat the same mistakes (even with the same characters) the comic did over the last few years. But we'll see what the future holds for both.

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Re: Animation and Comics

Postby TTTX » November 22nd, 2021, 3:34 pm

magnuskn wrote:Yeah, it's amazing how good the movies turned out to be overall, while the comics are flailing around in all kinds of directions. I guess having to follow the vision of one dude who has his shit together just *may* be a good idea.

for the most part yes, although I wish they didn't use the humor so much at times when serious stuff is going or very serious stuff being discussed.
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Re: Animation and Comics

Postby magnuskn » November 22nd, 2021, 5:03 pm

The humor works for me, but I like absurdist and meta stuff, so there's that.

Alienmorph wrote:I'd put it more on the Russo Brothers than on Feige, to be honest. Especially now that he's on his way to repeat the same mistakes (even with the same characters) the comic did over the last few years. But we'll see what the future holds for both.


The Russo's did four movies, we got 25 movies in total in the MCU. I like their work, but the overall success is on Feige.

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Re: Animation and Comics

Postby Alienmorph » November 22nd, 2021, 5:46 pm

I was specifically talking about the Civil War movie, but yeah, there's no doubt we wouldn't have an MCU without Feige, overall.

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Re: Animation and Comics

Postby TTTX » November 23rd, 2021, 7:09 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1ujpoDlgRU&list=PLD3dCMp2WHiwrVPo2XaZpkWp3K3xpx3h8&ab

well you can watch the original transformers cartoon for free on YouTube.
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Re: Animation and Comics

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Re: Animation and Comics

Postby Sinekein » November 26th, 2021, 1:06 pm

Dragaros wrote:So Young Justice is finally giving some plot focus on Cassandra and Lady Shiva. Cool. Love both characters, and their family dynamic is ripe for some juicy story material and narrative conflict. But they're already doing some things I'm not liking. For starters, Shiva cut out Cass' vocal cords so she's literally incapable of talking, apparently thinking it would maker her a better living weapon if she was deprived of a voice and couldn't speak. Shiva, even at her nicest and least villainous would still make for a ruthless as fuck mother, but that's out-of-character as far as I'm concerned. Not even her father David Cain in the comics did that.


This 4th season of Young Justice so far is rather disappointing IMO. From what I understand they will make successive story arcs for the OG Young Justice one after another, so while eps 1-4 were about M'gann and Conner, eps 5-8 focused on Artemis.

The first four reaaaaally were a missed opportunity for me because of how they unsubtly hammered their underlying message of "Racism is bad". I'll get into spoilers to develop a bit.

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The next four are basically about characters who have ties to both the good and bad guys, so Artemis, Cheshire, Orphan, and two supposed Light defectors, Onyx and Cassandra Savage. It's not bad, but it does not really go anywhere - I hope it means we will see more of Orphan and the others later on, as it clearly serves to flesh them out while they just were background figures before.

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Postby Dragaros » November 27th, 2021, 1:52 am

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Dragaros wrote:So Young Justice is finally giving some plot focus on Cassandra and Lady Shiva. Cool. Love both characters, and their family dynamic is ripe for some juicy story material and narrative conflict. But they're already doing some things I'm not liking. For starters, Shiva cut out Cass' vocal cords so she's literally incapable of talking, apparently thinking it would maker her a better living weapon if she was deprived of a voice and couldn't speak. Shiva, even at her nicest and least villainous would still make for a ruthless as fuck mother, but that's out-of-character as far as I'm concerned. Not even her father David Cain in the comics did that.


This 4th season of Young Justice so far is rather disappointing IMO. From what I understand they will make successive story arcs for the OG Young Justice one after another, so while eps 1-4 were about M'gann and Conner, eps 5-8 focused on Artemis.

The first four reaaaaally were a missed opportunity for me because of how they unsubtly hammered their underlying message of "Racism is bad". I'll get into spoilers to develop a bit.

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The next four are basically about characters who have ties to both the good and bad guys, so Artemis, Cheshire, Orphan, and two supposed Light defectors, Onyx and Cassandra Savage. It's not bad, but it does not really go anywhere - I hope it means we will see more of Orphan and the others later on, as it clearly serves to flesh them out while they just were background figures before.

There also are (from what I gathered, not familiar with source material)...

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I got all caught up on YJ after I came out of my turkey-induced slumber from Thanksgiving and I've had time to think on it. Disappointment is an understatement for this season as far as I'm concerned. Just really weak and lazy and ham-fisted storytelling all around. This show is capable of being so much better.
And as a huge Cass and Lady Shiva fan... I really, really, REALLY don't like what they've done with them here. I'm all for changing some things up when adapting elements from the comics, but I think they went in the way wrong direction. We finally get something that delves into these two in their family dynamic in animated form after all these years and we get this. Freaking monkey's paw, I swear.
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Postby Alienmorph » November 29th, 2021, 4:36 pm

Poor Hamill, once again being the best thing trapped inside a horrible mess of a story. I'm not even talking about Star Wars in particular, the man has been kinda cursed like that multiple times.


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