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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Vol » October 21st, 2019, 10:24 pm

Dragaros wrote:I don't think I've heard or read of an account where non-daemon Primarchs having ever had to go up against Blanks, other than the Sisters of Silence that came with the Space Wolves when they attacked Magnus and the Thousand Sons on Prospero, and their presence weakened Magnus' psychic powers enough that it most certainly tipped the battle in Leman Russ' favor.

Ya know, the lore regarding Blanks is so hazy and vague and inconsistent these days. It really needs some cleaning up. For one thing, GW can't even decide what being one means in regards to having a soul--some books state Blanks are literally soulless, while others say they do have a soul, but its an anti-soul (think of it as if theirs are "negatively" charged as opposed to regular and psyker souls which are "positively" charged, similar to the relationship between matter and anti-matter/protons and antiprotons) For another, some books imply the Sisters of Silence were capable of seeing through the Emperor's glamours/biomancy to see the real him under it all, while others say the Emperor just let them see what they think they should be seeing, and it serves his purposes that the Sisters only think Big E was just a normal man.

In regards to size, this is fairly accurate based on the descriptors and artwork I've sampled in my 40k reading:

Seems an important point to note, given they're not purely enhanced humans, like the Thunder Warriors and Custodes, and way more warp-born than the regular Astartes. Rowboat being able to fight in a void, without a helmet, for an extended period is surely Warp magic.

That too. Though I'd think the Emperor is so powerful that there does not exist any Blank, or group of Blanks, that could truly suppress his power down to his true form. If he even had one.

I do like how the TW and Custodes are the most aesthetic of the group. That's a minor, but important, bit of lore to be faithful to.

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby TheodoricFriede » October 21st, 2019, 11:12 pm

Breath of the Wild is a very good game. Great even.

But I really do hope its sequel is a tad bit more contained. It's a fantastic open world game, but its still an open world game, so even the most perfect distillation of that formula suffers from the fact that open world games overstay their welcome.

Both the first time I beat Breath of the Wild and the second, I was overcome with a feeling of relief that there wasn't more world to explore or things to do. I originally planed on finishing all 120 shrines, but finally burned out after the DLC and the 106th shrine.

I'd still easily give this game a perfect score, but it does have that flaw. I hope the sequel moves more toward the direction of the classic 3d model. By no means entirely, because for all that i love those games, that formula grew a bit stale, but enough to mitigate the inherent issues with an open world design.

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Postby Vol » October 22nd, 2019, 10:46 pm

Eeey, Malgus. The guy who did nothing wrong besides getting on the wrong side of murderhobos.

Something to do whenever the itch to play it again comes. Because launch expansions for MMORPGs are never, ever stable.

Also, read a bit about EQ1 earlier, namely how to get into the Plane of Hate. It's a damn shame I missed that game for want of a gaming PC back then, because that kind of design is what I desire.

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby TTTX » October 23rd, 2019, 1:41 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMF5wSmQkDY

feels like bad april fools joke out of season.
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TTTX wrote:feels like bad april fools joke out of season.

The real question is

How many paypigs will go for it

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Postby TTTX » October 23rd, 2019, 2:36 pm

Vol wrote:The real question is

How many paypigs will go for it

get with the lingo Vol, they are called Wales and they aren't human because the gaming studios says so.

probably only very hardcore fallout 76 fans.
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Postby Azint » October 23rd, 2019, 6:26 pm

All six of them?

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby TheodoricFriede » October 23rd, 2019, 6:49 pm

If Obsedian really wants to rub salt in the wound, they'll release a free dlc for The Outer Worlds that adds some armor that is obviously referencing the NCR Ranger Armor.

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Postby NCLanceman » October 23rd, 2019, 7:11 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCZLabOywYU

Man, they really should've lead with this.

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Postby Dragaros » October 23rd, 2019, 7:21 pm

Vol wrote:Eeey, Malgus. The guy who did nothing wrong besides getting on the wrong side of murderhobos.


Didn't he kill his Twi'lek waifu because he thought love was weakening him?

Vol wrote:Seems an important point to note, given they're not purely enhanced humans, like the Thunder Warriors and Custodes, and way more warp-born than the regular Astartes. Rowboat being able to fight in a void, without a helmet, for an extended period is surely Warp magic.

That too. Though I'd think the Emperor is so powerful that there does not exist any Blank, or group of Blanks, that could truly suppress his power down to his true form. If he even had one.


Indeed, because while not every Primarch was a pysker, they all had Warp juice to one degree or another flowing in their veins, so what effect a sufficiently large and potent group of Blanks/Pariahs would have on one of them in a concentrated space would be interesting to see. Primarchs are basically to the Emperor what Greater Daemons are to the Chaos Gods, only with enough science-based materialism to their structure to keep them anchored and stable without the need for a constant Warp connection, sacrifices, or psychic feeding on external emotions/actions to maintain their physical form. The Warp flows through their very being, each Primarch has at least one special ability tied to the part of their nature that’s based on the Warp, and when one dies they release a light-show of psychic energy you don't see in other deaths in regards to the Emperor's creations. Another interesting note is that Fabius Bile’s Primarch clones were perfect replications of their transhuman DNA, but were still not as powerful/durable as the originals. This is because they’re missing the special Warp juice the originals had; this cannot be re-created unless you do the same unique warpcraft the Emperor did, which supposedly required him to bargin or steal from the Chaos Gods to do so. Bile can copy the hyper-advanced science that went into their making, but not the supernatural element that suffused them. This is how Abaddon could kill the Horus clone in the days before he become Warmaster; otherwise Abby would have been torn to shreds. Yet another case to ponder is that even though he is still loyal, Corvax has the ability to turn into a massive shadowy-raven-daemon-monster now as he hunts Lorgar in the Eye of Terror post-Horus Heresy. Corvax even considers himself tainted when he learned how he came to be, even though he's not corrupted or traitorous.

Yeah, the sheer number of Blanks/Pariahs needed to substantially weaken the Emperor or cut through his projections if he didn't want them cut is something that probably doesn't exist. There aren't enough potent Blanks/Pariahs in the galaxy to do that, especially given how rare they are. And so far we've never seen Emps interact with Necron Pylons or the Tyranid's Shadow in the Warp, so speculating there is kinda pointless at this stage without more information. My current theory is Emps was born a normal sized human, but as he came into his staggeringly colossal powers, and became more distant to his humanity as the millennia passed, his body slowly expanded and changed with them into the giant form he's traditionally depicted as. His armor/power claw/sword were forged to fit someone that size, so its not just psychic glamour and illusion. And as he is a potent biomancer, much like Magnus--and Magnus has shown he could grow to the size of an Eldar Wraithknight with no problem if the need or desire arose, and that was before he went Daemon Prince-- he can make his physical form as big or as small (or as handsome or as ugly, or any other physical aspect for that matter) as need or whim dictates, more or less. So he really doesn't have a true form anymore, really. His mind/will is the best representation of himself now, the body is just a shell. The first Siege of Terra book even highlights this a little when Emps and Horus are having a father-son psychic chat, and Emp's projection in the Warp takes on dozens of different forms, some of them not even remotely human, before final settling on a cloaked old man for the symbolism. I like the idea that he was a regular human who "evolved" into something more than human, a god in the making story, even if he would refute such an idea. (There's old lore I liked that used to say how the Ruinous Powers considered the Emperor to be their newest brother, just a few steps to becoming a full god like them, and would welcome him gladly to their table if only he would stop clinging to his anti-Chaos/pro-human ideals.) The idea Emps is a truly a tiny, shriveled little man who only cloaks himself in his giant, robust form like a psychic suit he puppets around doesn’t sit well with me and I don't subscribe to that theory.
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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Dragaros » October 23rd, 2019, 7:22 pm

TTTX wrote:
feels like bad april fools joke out of season.


Fallout 76 is like a never-ending train crash.
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Postby Dragaros » October 23rd, 2019, 7:30 pm

TheodoricFriede wrote:Breath of the Wild is a very good game. Great even.

But I really do hope its sequel is a tad bit more contained. It's a fantastic open world game, but its still an open world game, so even the most perfect distillation of that formula suffers from the fact that open world games overstay their welcome.

Both the first time I beat Breath of the Wild and the second, I was overcome with a feeling of relief that there wasn't more world to explore or things to do. I originally planed on finishing all 120 shrines, but finally burned out after the DLC and the 106th shrine.

I'd still easily give this game a perfect score, but it does have that flaw. I hope the sequel moves more toward the direction of the classic 3d model. By no means entirely, because for all that i love those games, that formula grew a bit stale, but enough to mitigate the inherent issues with an open world design.


Agreed 100%.

Its like comparing the overworlds of OoT and MM; OoT's Hyrule is much bigger, but MM's Termina is much more memorable and fun to explore in my opinion because by being smaller, its more densely packed with no filler space, and one can get from almost any point A to point B quickly, so running around never sinks to the level of being a boring chore or tedious busywork.
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Postby Dragaros » October 23rd, 2019, 7:32 pm

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Postby TheodoricFriede » October 23rd, 2019, 7:34 pm

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Anyone want to make any predictions?

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Postby NCLanceman » October 23rd, 2019, 7:53 pm

Dragaros wrote:Anyone want to make any predictions?

Starcraft: Ghost cancelled again.

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Postby TheodoricFriede » October 23rd, 2019, 8:00 pm

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Its like comparing the overworlds of OoT and MM; OoT's Hyrule is much bigger, but MM's Termina is much more memorable and fun to explore in my opinion because by being smaller, its more densely packed with no filler space, and one can get from almost any point A to point B quickly, so running around never sinks to the level of being a boring chore or tedious busywork.

The thing is, the Breath of the World map is also awesome, and fun to explore.

I'm really torn on the whole thing, because its the only open world game that I actually enjoy exploring. I think the dlc is what wore me out, because it added an additional 14 shrines, 4 Ganon fights, and one new boss fight.

Its not so much that I found the map of Breath of the Wild unsatisfying as much as I just burn out at a certain point.

I almost think if it was just 100 shrines instead of 120 (+15 dlc) i would have gotten 100% on shrines both times I played.

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Vol » October 23rd, 2019, 8:07 pm

NCLanceman wrote:Starcraft: Ghost cancelled again.

At least we got the Nova skin for Widowmaker, and that MOBA game they made.

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Postby TTTX » October 24th, 2019, 5:24 am

Azint wrote:All six of them?

probably. :lol:

Dragaros wrote:Anyone want to make any predictions?

more mobile games and they tale China is the most awesome country on the planet.

Dragaros wrote:Fallout 76 is like a never-ending train crash.

Like Anthem.
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Postby TTTX » October 24th, 2019, 6:28 am

Rune wrote:Still enjoying it to this day.
Can't say I respect the opinion of people who haven't played it on this matter.

which is fine, but I did try the open beta, which was terrible and buggy beyond a normal beta.

I imagine the game is better now, but from I have heard that is still a bit bare bones in terms of content and isn't fun with out friends (which I don't have a lot of and I generally don't like playing with people).

Also the game on ps4 cost 179 danish Kr after a few months in stores and a normal ps4 cost around 550 danish KR for months after it comes out doesn't do well for the games reputations that people aren't playing and buying the game.
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Postby Alienmorph » October 24th, 2019, 7:52 am

Dragaros wrote:Anyone want to make any predictions?


Diablo 4 confirmed, they just HAVE to do that after last year's fiasco.

More cashgrab appgames coming for sure tho. Maybe a Starcraft tower defense thing, or anything else that fits the classic appgame shtick, but with a Blizzard coat of paint on.

But in general I expect more of the same. Blizzard takes years to make anything new, and Activision just want to keep them alive for as long as they can make money off them. I expected a very "investors safe" situation.

Also, it's probably gonna be a very security-heavy event, to prevent people from making too much of a ruckus about the whole China-related debacle.

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Postby TTTX » October 24th, 2019, 9:27 am

Alienmorph wrote:But in general I expect more of the same. Blizzard takes years to make anything new, and Activision just want to keep them alive for as long as they can make money off them. I expected a very "investors safe" situation.

considering that Activsion have los Destiny and the company who made those games and don't have any major franchise that people know about outside of Call of Duty, I doubt Blizzard is going anywhere anytime soon.

Not unless the leadership of Activision wants there company to go under or suffer a lot.
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Postby Alienmorph » October 24th, 2019, 9:32 am

Agreed. But that's all the more reasons to expect a safe and marketable 'con. They don't want to give the impression things are going bad, especially not at their own yearly big convention.

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Postby NCLanceman » October 24th, 2019, 12:26 pm

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TTTX wrote:Like Anthem.

Still enjoying it to this day.
Can't say I respect the opinion of people who haven't played it on this matter.


Incidentally, I reinstalled Anthem last night since I have Origin Basic Access, so I figured I'd pick up where I left off on the trial. It took like eight hours to download while the downloader kept pausing and hesitating the whole time. Then I remembered I left off in the middle of that Achievement Hunting Checklist Quest. And somewhere in the middle of some really lame open world assignment to pick up motes and step on pressure plates, the game crashed.

The quality of life improvements are nice, but the only fun thing about the game is flying around and using the suits. If they never updated this game again and used the suit stuff to make an Honest-to-Heinlein Starship Troopers game, I'd absolutely be up for it.

Anyway, since I spent all that time and hard drive space, I'm going to try beating it sometime. Maybe they added more interesting stuff since launch week.

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Postby TTTX » October 24th, 2019, 1:12 pm

NCLanceman wrote:Incidentally, I reinstalled Anthem last night since I have Origin Basic Access, so I figured I'd pick up where I left off on the trial. It took like eight hours to download while the downloader kept pausing and hesitating the whole time. Then I remembered I left off in the middle of that Achievement Hunting Checklist Quest. And somewhere in the middle of some really lame open world assignment to pick up motes and step on pressure plates, the game crashed.

The quality of life improvements are nice, but the only fun thing about the game is flying around and using the suits. If they never updated this game again and used the suit stuff to make an Honest-to-Heinlein Starship Troopers game, I'd absolutely be up for it.

Anyway, since I spent all that time and hard drive space, I'm going to try beating it sometime. Maybe they added more interesting stuff since launch week.

Well from what I have heard and seen they haven't added much, which isn't surprising considering they probably have tried to make the game more stable and fix bugs as the game was pretty famous for being rather broken at launch.

Hell they had a road map which they scrapped because they couldn't meet the deadlines and the player base isn't big last I heard and EA barely mention Anthem in their financial report, so I wouldn't count on much new content coming in the future as I don't think EA wants to spend much money on it.
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Postby TTTX » October 24th, 2019, 4:57 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHb_c0-XajU

Well like Bethesda gaming engine turns out the subscription is broken and bugged.
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Postby Alienmorph » October 24th, 2019, 5:12 pm

I'm starting to think it's some kind of social experiment "How much broken and overpaid we can make a game before the whole playerbase quits on us?" I cannot believe how constistently Bethesda has shot itself in the foot with F76 this past year.

Even EA would have cut its losses and run for the hills at this point, ffs.

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Postby TTTX » October 24th, 2019, 5:18 pm

Alienmorph wrote:I'm starting to think it's some kind of social experiment "How much broken and overpaid we can make a game before the whole playerbase quits on us?" I cannot believe how constistently Bethesda has shot itself in the foot with F76 this past year.

Even EA would have cut its losses and run for the hills at this point, ffs.

Can't imagine their new space game and elder scrolls 6 is going to sell amazing if their reputation goes to shit after all there are a lot gaming companies who sell open world games now and have surpassed Bethesda model long ago that's going to hurt them a lot.
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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Vol » October 24th, 2019, 8:27 pm

NCLanceman wrote:
Anyway, since I spent all that time and hard drive space, I'm going to try beating it sometime. Maybe they added more interesting stuff since launch week.

They added a new dungeon, and the Cataclysm dealie. Maybe they'll pick up now that Bioware Austin can focus on smaller content patches and bug fixes on the new TOR expansion now.

Got my Adeptus Custodes codex. Some interesting bits about the golden boys. They do in fact get word from Big E on what to do. They have some brothers who are more sensitive to the Emperor's will and able to pick up on it, so they get a couple of them together and work out what he wants. Then they go out and do it, finding archaeotech or nascent threats because of it. He also validated the Primaris project, when Robby G showed up and Cawl revealed it, as some Custodes were entirely unhappy with the idea of the fallible marines being relaunched in great numbers, but stronger. Dozen of the Custodes came out and said the Emperor very much so wanted the Primaris to be used. Possibly with a fondness for Cawl doing something fucking useful.

Also, apparently Imperial historians _do_ in fact know about the Thunder Warriors and how the Custodes "had" to put them down way back when.

But back to being more directly contacted by the Emperor than other avenues, as it's possible only a Primarch can interface directly anymore without have his soul sandblasted. That tacitly implies he was entirely okay with the Custodes largely confined to garrison duty, and their few missions.

Also Trajann, the current Captain-General, has a sword that can cleave a Chaos dreadnought in two in one shot and a Dark Age device on his belt that can alter time on a very small scale.

The best job in the Imperium seems to be being in the artisan-clans that make their auramite armor and weapons, as you're protected by them, on Terra, and therefore immune from basically everything bad that can happen to an Imperial citizen barring you fucking up real bad.

They mention twice that the Captain-Generals, Valdor in particular, are just shy of matching a primarch in combat, which makes sense.

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Dragaros » October 25th, 2019, 5:29 pm

"Drive me closer! I want to hit them with my sword!"


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