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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby TTTX » June 28th, 2018, 7:23 pm

Mobius_118 wrote:...Really? Deadliest day for journalists in the US, we have a president who spurns the media, and his supporters are fully willing and capable of killing journalists to appease this madman. And I'm the shithead?

Shitbag trump encourages violence against the media, against anyone who dare speaks out against him. This isn't fucking rocket surgery or a goddamn sensationalist cry for attention, the guy is trying to go full tinpot and his supporters are helping him do it.

crazy people can snap for a number reasons, but Trump not being president wouldn't have stopped the shooter from killing people eventually.

pretty sure, if Trump wrote something like "go out and hurt journalists" it would be blasted on the news for months, simply because of how much they hate him.
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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby Mobius_118 » June 28th, 2018, 7:55 pm

That's the thing, he's been hating on the press ever since he lost the election but got in anyway. It's in the language he uses. He's been calling anyone who stands against him an enemy, which is pretty dangerous phrasing considering the violent nature of trump supporters.

One of his very own confronted me when I was voting in 2016 with a shotgun while I was in uniform. They do not give a fuck about anything but fucking themselves over.
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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby TheodoricFriede » June 28th, 2018, 7:57 pm

Mobius_118 wrote:One of his very own confronted me when I was voting in 2016 with a shotgun

Bullshit.

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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby Mobius_118 » June 28th, 2018, 8:03 pm

TheodoricFriede wrote:
Mobius_118 wrote:One of his very own confronted me when I was voting in 2016 with a shotgun

Bullshit.


Yeah you didn't believe me the last time I mentioned it either.

Which doesn't change what happened. I still can't believe you're married to a real person.
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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby TheodoricFriede » June 28th, 2018, 8:15 pm

Here's the difference.

I have verifiable proof.

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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby Mobius_118 » June 28th, 2018, 8:18 pm

Hard to get proof of some conservative shit-bucket when he realizes what he did and sprints off before I can get my phone out.

But you keep on doubting everything I say because you despise me. Just remember you're wearing that ring because J4N3 and I pushed you together and basically said "just kiss already".
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Postby TheodoricFriede » June 28th, 2018, 8:23 pm

Adorable.

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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby Mobius_118 » June 28th, 2018, 8:26 pm

Yeah I get to live with the memory of a 12 gauge in my face over political differences. You call bullshit.

I don't give two fucks what you think.
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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby TheodoricFriede » June 28th, 2018, 8:27 pm

You so OBVIOUSLY do care. Its HILARIOUS!

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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby Mobius_118 » June 28th, 2018, 8:34 pm

Caps-lock is cruise control for cool, amirite?

You display amazing amounts of rage every time we have one of our little interactions. I go have a beer and browse youtube.

While I would like to know what made you such a cantankerous little shit whenever you start online screaming at me, I imagine it's just as insignificant as you are.
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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby TheodoricFriede » June 28th, 2018, 9:48 pm

That raging you are imagining? That's you projecting.

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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby Raga » June 28th, 2018, 10:20 pm

Mobius_118 wrote:Yeah I get to live with the memory of a 12 gauge in my face over political differences. You call bullshit.

I don't give two fucks what you think.


More like all of Clan V but aside from absolutely nobody wanting to know this or caring about our personal drama, wrong thread. (Well not the wrong thread for slap fights, but for slap fights over politics and not so much Jerry Springer spats).

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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby Mobius_118 » June 28th, 2018, 10:23 pm

Riiiight. That's why every time you post I can sense the anger flowing through your fingertips directed at someone who has the gall to disagree with you.

Remember the Fallout talk a while back when it came down to ballistic vs energy weapons? I stuck with ballistic because of the damage, you went with energy because it's...I forget. Cleaner? More efficient? Doesn't matter.

You were so frustrated, it was hilarious.

Raga wrote:
Mobius_118 wrote:Yeah I get to live with the memory of a 12 gauge in my face over political differences. You call bullshit.

I don't give two fucks what you think.


More like all of Clan V but aside from absolutely nobody wanting to know this or caring about personal drama, wrong thread.


Fair enough.
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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby Raga » June 28th, 2018, 10:40 pm

It might be a coincidence but Milo Greek-name-whatever-pants I can't spell, apparently said yesterday that he couldn't wait until vigilantes started gunning down journalist yesterday.

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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby Mobius_118 » June 28th, 2018, 10:42 pm

Raga wrote:It might be a coincidence but Milo Greek-name-whatever-pants I can't spell, apparently said yesterday that he couldn't wait until vigilantes started gunning down journalist yesterday.


The entire trump team is all about that suppression of the press.
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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby Grand Admiral Cheesecake » June 29th, 2018, 3:57 am

Mobius_118 wrote:That's the thing, he's been hating on the press ever since he lost the election but got in anyway. It's in the language he uses. He's been calling anyone who stands against him an enemy, which is pretty dangerous phrasing considering the violent nature of trump supporters.

One of his very own confronted me when I was voting in 2016 with a shotgun while I was in uniform. They do not give a fuck about anything but fucking themselves over.

He won overwhelmingly in the electoral college you limpet.

That's what decides our elections. California and New York can get fucked.

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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby TheodoricFriede » June 29th, 2018, 4:50 am

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote:He won overwhelmingly in the electoral college you limpet.


That's just what the Moon Men from Mars want you to think.

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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby Mazder » June 29th, 2018, 5:34 am

Mobius_118 wrote:That's the thing, he's been hating on the press ever since he lost the election but got in anyway. It's in the language he uses. He's been calling anyone who stands against him an enemy, which is pretty dangerous phrasing considering the violent nature of trump supporters.

One of his very own confronted me when I was voting in 2016 with a shotgun while I was in uniform. They do not give a fuck about anything but fucking themselves over.

It's almost as if your political process is a two pronged system that isn't just a popular vote...or something....
He's calling anyone who stands up against him his enemy in the sense of them also being "america's enemy", seeing as he's assumed the mantle of the guy in charge of america, or in the very least it's first representative.
And, yeah, it's not as if there have been no violent Democrats of left-wing supporters (looks at all the riots from BLM, left-wing political rallies and "quiet responses" to a President support march or two), Naaaaaah, never happened....

Plus, fuck your shitty press.
They've been juggernauts of bias for decades now.

"One of his own."
HA!
As if he has secret special orders from Trump to be a cunt instead of "was just a cunt himself". That must be the reason all Trump supporters are bad, because this guy in a Trump popular area, a single area of the huge country, was an unstable fuck-head, yet if he was a Democrat in a Democrat's area he'd just be a mentally unstable person that needs care and understanding and carefully administered treatment.
Nah, not seeing any outright favoritism or tribalism there at all....
yeah, sucks you had a shotgun shoved in your face, obviously, but don't tar everyone with the same brush if you'd treat them differently if the ideologies were reversed.

And not giving a fuck about fucking themselves over, that's from your perspective as, clearly, you can take no time to empathize with them in any capacity so you will never understand their reasons. To them it's giving them a peace of mind and security that someone is paying attention to the rural areas/flyover states area and not placing all their eggs into the big 4 city areas.

Mobius_118 wrote:But you keep on doubting everything I say because you despise me

Even if he does feel this way you're not doing yourself any favours.
And if he does then he's not the only one starting to go down that route...

Mobius_118 wrote:Just remember you're wearing that ring because J4N3 and I pushed you together and basically said "just kiss already".

Firstly, not the place.
Secondly, not appropriate and kind of pathetic to hold that over someone. Kind of a cowardly move, on top of being a bit of a cunt.
Thirdly, they probably had some interest in each other before what you claim to have done and even if you did that has absolutely no weight on if they had stayed together or not. So, no, you're not responsible for their marriage. How big of a fucking ego do you have to have to even think that?

Mobius_118 wrote:Caps-lock is cruise control for cool, amirite?

Because everyone wants to type out [ i ] and [ / i ], or [ b ] and [ / b ] (sans spaces of course) every time they wish to emphasize something as [i]important[/b] to what they're saying.
That's even assuming they're not using the full editor or not.
Judging by the lack of quotation system being used I'd say it'd be just using the quick box at the bottom of the page.

Raga wrote:More like all of Clan V but aside from absolutely nobody wanting to know this or caring about our personal drama, wrong thread. (Well not the wrong thread for slap fights, but for slap fights over politics and not so much Jerry Springer spats).

Well I would be remiss if I said I wasn't a little genuinely curious, but more in the sense of "So, how did you two meet?" more than "WTF HOW/WHY ARE YOU TWO TOGETHER?!?!?" type of thing.
I mean I joined Clan V late and missed all that so it'd basically be a point of listening to a couple of new friend's old stories from "back in the day" more than an inquisitorial "I must know everything about people!"
But, as you said, it's personal shit which is at the discretion of the person.

Raga wrote:It might be a coincidence but Milo Greek-name-whatever-pants I can't spell, apparently said yesterday that he couldn't wait until vigilantes started gunning down journalist yesterday.

Apparently/allegedly that was in response to a bunch of reporters being the usual ultra-invasive journo types and it wasn't "meant as serious" but more a big shock thing to get them to fuck off away from him.
Apparently/allegedly.

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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby Mazder » June 29th, 2018, 12:07 pm

Once again Jonathan pie, on point.
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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby Raga » June 29th, 2018, 1:20 pm

Mazder wrote:Well I would be remiss if I said I wasn't a little genuinely curious, but more in the sense of "So, how did you two meet?" more than "WTF HOW/WHY ARE YOU TWO TOGETHER?!?!?" type of thing.
I mean I joined Clan V late and missed all that so it'd basically be a point of listening to a couple of new friend's old stories from "back in the day" more than an inquisitorial "I must know everything about people!"
But, as you said, it's personal shit which is at the discretion of the person


There was an informal Rule 34 "who can find the weirdest stuff competition"...

Clan V was insane. Extremely fun, but insane.

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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby Raga » June 29th, 2018, 1:29 pm

It looks like the journalist shooting was done by some generic wacko with a grudge.

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Postby Raga » June 29th, 2018, 1:29 pm

Sorry I have a bad connection here.

Ignore. Double post.

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Postby TTTX » June 29th, 2018, 1:53 pm

Raga wrote:There was an informal Rule 34 "who can find the weirdest stuff competition"...

Clan V was insane. Extremely fun, but insane.

Clan V, I didn't spend much time with that group, but when I did it didn't go well to the point I ended up leaving it for good.
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Postby Raga » June 29th, 2018, 2:58 pm

I stopped posting about a year before it died, but I never really heard of it dying from drama so much as just people drifting away.

It had some drama, but I wouldn't really say it was an unusually high amount for a forum.

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Postby TTTX » June 29th, 2018, 3:12 pm

Raga wrote:I stopped posting about a year before it died, but I never really heard of it dying from drama so much as just people drifting away.

It had some drama, but I wouldn't really say it was an unusually high amount for a forum.

Well I didn't know about the day to day of Clan V, but I did personally got offended by something and attacked by members (can't remember the details) or at least that how I felt back then so I left as I didn't feel welcome.
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Postby Mazder » June 29th, 2018, 3:34 pm

Raga wrote:There was an informal Rule 34 "who can find the weirdest stuff competition"...

Clan V was insane. Extremely fun, but insane.

And curiosity sated.

I apologize if I also stepped over a line.

Sometimes I have a "fly on the wall" curiosity level.

Raga wrote:It looks like the journalist shooting was done by some generic wacko with a grudge.

As I initially thought.

Raga wrote:I stopped posting about a year before it died, but I never really heard of it dying from drama so much as just people drifting away.

It had some drama, but I wouldn't really say it was an unusually high amount for a forum.

I had some drama during the "new Bioware site" version (the white background site) with one member and Sinekin (IIRC the name's spelling) and it was based around feminism and stuff. Was basically a clash of two polar opposites/me unable to properly express myself.
That's the only big hubbub I had.
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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby Raga » June 29th, 2018, 4:26 pm

The most interaction I have with any of them now is on Goodreads, but it's very limited.

I don't really feel like I'm missing much by not being on Tumblr. (or Twitter for that matter)

Twitter seems to serve no purpose but to organize digital lynch mobs.

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Postby Mazder » June 29th, 2018, 6:05 pm

Raga wrote:The most interaction I have with any of them now is on Goodreads, but it's very limited.

I don't really feel like I'm missing much by not being on Tumblr. (or Twitter for that matter)

Twitter seems to serve no purpose but to organize digital lynch mobs.

TBH I am barely on tumblr. I mostly use the dashboard to see what the few people I am subbed to are up to and that's about it.

Twitter is just...urgh it's the worst.
I literally only use mine to get an update on content creator uploads, everything else is insignificant.

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Postby TTTX » June 30th, 2018, 12:44 pm

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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby Vol » July 1st, 2018, 2:39 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pvf8ftpRWg

I have to be honest. Low level political street violence doesn't bother me as much as it should.

Edit: In the sense that both sides are clearly dressed and ready for a fight, and they appear to stop at knockouts.

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Postby Mazder » July 1st, 2018, 5:03 pm

Vol wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pvf8ftpRWg

I have to be honest. Low level political street violence doesn't bother me as much as it should.

Edit: In the sense that both sides are clearly dressed and ready for a fight, and they appear to stop at knockouts.

Oooooh, a fight, let me grab my popco-wait.....WAIT!!!

At 2:34 - 2:41 there is a guy with a British and an English flag.....whyyyyyyyyyy?
And again at 4:58-5:08...and 6:0-6:12....6:21 in the background, shows up a minute later.....who IS this guy and why THIS flag HERE?!?!?

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Postby Raga » July 2nd, 2018, 12:29 pm

This kinda used to concern me a little, but frankly we have got *so* good in the West at shutting down rioting with non-lethal force that these piddling little wannabe paramilitary outfits are never going to succeed in doing anything but giving each other black eyes.

It would take way, *WAY* more people committed to destruction for this to rise above the level of street theater.

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Postby Raga » July 2nd, 2018, 12:35 pm

Mazder wrote:And again at 4:58-5:08...and 6:0-6:12....6:21 in the background, shows up a minute later.....who IS this guy and why THIS flag HERE?!?!?


The one that always baffled me was the "flag down pants" protesters. I can't find a picture of one of these guys and they seem to mostly be a Middle Eastern thing, but the flag has like a rod or something which I guess they stick down the back side of their pants and run around with a flag on their back. It looks really uncomfortable.

Nvm, I found one. So weird:

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Postby Mazder » July 2nd, 2018, 3:22 pm

Raga wrote:This kinda used to concern me a little, but frankly we have got *so* good in the West at shutting down rioting with non-lethal force that these piddling little wannabe paramilitary outfits are never going to succeed in doing anything but giving each other black eyes.

It would take way, *WAY* more people committed to destruction for this to rise above the level of street theater.

It's odd when you're sitting there judging how close a riot gets to an actual violent confrontation with a tiny sense of hoping for some tactics or something.
Honestly it just makes the football holliganism fights I'm used to all the more impressive as they all still happen by accident.

Raga wrote:The one that always baffled me was the "flag down pants" protesters. I can't find a picture of one of these guys and they seem to mostly be a Middle Eastern thing, but the flag has like a rod or something which I guess they stick down the back side of their pants and run around with a flag on their back. It looks really uncomfortable.

Nvm, I found one. So weird:

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Probably goes down the pants/trousers leg but I hear ya, still seems very weird.

Mind you I am also bemused at the "flag burning of your own country, yet also supporting that flag as your country" divide Antifa seems to have.
"Yeah, burn america's flag, fuck oppression!!!"
"Don't burn this flag it's a symbol of freedom!"

Like....what!?!??!

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Postby Grand Admiral Cheesecake » July 7th, 2018, 2:30 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa2NZxsCJyI

Tbh the media is so fucking predictable.

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Postby Mobius_118 » July 8th, 2018, 10:11 pm

Iran is threatening to shut down the Straight of Hormuz because trump pulled out of the Iran deal and reintroduced sanctions.

Dunno if any of you remember the last time this happened, but cutting off commerce of one of the largest supplies of cheap crude is bad.

Also, North Korea is possibly continuing its nuclear weapons program.

Just a though here, but his supporters got conned like chumps while the rest of us knew exactly what was and continues to go on.
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Postby Vol » July 9th, 2018, 10:25 pm

Well, we have a new nominee for the Supreme Court. Kavanaugh got it, and the pre-printed protest signs, websites, and mass mailers are out in force. I have no idea who the man is or what he believes in, since his little speech means nothing, beyond that he's apparently very pro-2nd, but it's hard right.

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Postby Vol » July 10th, 2018, 10:36 pm

Okay, so I watched a bit of the House of Commons mocking May for a bit, then I watched that Sargon vid, and I still don't know exactly what's happening. Boris quit, some other guys quit, and she's a bad negotiator, but Brexit is still going ahead?

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Postby Mazder » July 11th, 2018, 5:14 am

Vol wrote:Okay, so I watched a bit of the House of Commons mocking May for a bit, then I watched that Sargon vid, and I still don't know exactly what's happening. Boris quit, some other guys quit, and she's a bad negotiator, but Brexit is still going ahead?

Brexit as it was proposed to be is not going ahead. What is going ahead is a softcore, bullshit compromise of all the reasons why Brexit was proposed in the first place to te point where we'd not really be leaving the EU but still be subject to all it's bullsit with an even weaker position.

It's basically the same as if the 13 colonies decided they're going to stay the 13, pay the shit taxes and tarrifs AND also send their men off to fight in the British Army/Navy, while also claiming they'd become independent because they could pick their own flag so long as a Union Jack/Union Flag on it.

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Postby Vol » July 11th, 2018, 10:55 am

Reading the first section of the local paper today, these fucking buffoons in media are going to create a viable white identity movement with teeth.

@Maz; So what're you saying is that you guys need a 1776 and we need to be your French?

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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby Mazder » July 11th, 2018, 12:07 pm

Vol wrote:@Maz; So what're you saying is that you guys need a 1776 and we need to be your French?

We need to be reminded of who and what we are.
We've been listening to your metropolitan areas and Hollywood too much. Our left is going crazy left and somehow have aligned themselves into a far right perspective via their left wing policies. "For the greater good" in Hot Fuzz is pretty much a reality we're facing, using 1984 as an instruction manual....

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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby TTTX » July 11th, 2018, 12:41 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4RG8rnpoxk&list=WL&index=22

Well I'm not looking forward to the new Star Wars trilogy with Rian Johnson as director.
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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby Alienmorph » July 11th, 2018, 1:39 pm

I can't really say I'm looking forward to any of the new SW movies. At least until some heads get chopped at Lucasfilm.

I'll say it before, and I'll say it again... I'm tired as hell of all these fake liberals taking over pop culture, the sooner this dumbass tred dies out, the better.

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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby FrozenShadow » July 12th, 2018, 8:29 am

So, now that Trump is president, what's US basic way to do politics in everything.

Berate and denigrate it's old allies and price autocrats. And if you want something, threaten and even outright bully someone/somebody until you get want you want. And if you don't get what you want, quit all to together and write something of as being useless or the one being/doing things wrong.

After all, Trump had just threatened for US to quit in NATO, if other members don't increase their defense budget. And based on recent news, other countries had agreed to these demands in their emergency meeting.

Sure, other NATO countries didn't really follow the "budget rules" of NATO treaty, but Trump's demand of increasing defense budget 4% per country also goes against the treaty rules.

Honestly, only one that's winning with Trump's behavior is Russia. Putin and Russia wants weaker and disconnected Europe and now Trump as President US is doing the most and best work for Russia and Putin.

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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby TTTX » July 12th, 2018, 8:44 am

FrozenShadow wrote:So, now that Trump is president, what's US basic way to do politics in everything.

Berate and denigrate it's old allies and price autocrats. And if you want something, threaten and even outright bully someone/somebody until you get want you want. And if you don't get what you want, quit all to together and write something of as being useless or the one being/doing things wrong.

After all, Trump had just threatened for US to quit in NATO, if other members don't increase their defense budget. And based on recent news, other countries had agreed to these demands in their emergency meeting.

Sure, other NATO countries didn't really follow the "budget rules" of NATO treaty, but Trump's demand of increasing defense budget 4% per country also goes against the treaty rules.

Honestly, only one that's winning with Trump's behavior is Russia. Putin and Russia wants weaker and disconnected Europe and now Trump as President US is doing the most and best work for Russia and Putin.

Well Europe is already getting weaker and disconnected and that started way before Trump was elected.
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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby Alienmorph » July 12th, 2018, 9:28 am

Europe is falling apart thanks to ignorance and populism. I hope it's a trend that can be inverted, but I am pretty positive things will get much worse before they have a chance to get better.

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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby FrozenShadow » July 12th, 2018, 10:25 am

TTTX wrote:Well Europe is already getting weaker and disconnected and that started way before Trump was elected.


Yes, but Trump's actions are just making it worse and not just in Europe either.


Alienmorph wrote:Europe is falling apart thanks to ignorance and populism. I hope it's a trend that can be inverted, but I am pretty positive things will get much worse before they have a chance to get better.


Yeah, I also hope for the best, fear for the worst. And increased military budgets thanks to Trump and populism+ current right wing popularity is not good combination. Nothing good had ever come out of this combo.

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Re: Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

Postby TTTX » July 12th, 2018, 10:44 am

FrozenShadow wrote:Yes, but Trump's actions are just making it worse and not just in Europe either.

maybe, we don't know the future, it can go a lot of different ways.

FrozenShadow wrote:Yeah, I also hope for the best, fear for the worst. And increased military budgets thanks to Trump and populism+ current right wing popularity is not good combination. Nothing good had ever come out of this combo.

only really happens if extremist people are in charge and it's not as easy as it was in the 20th century thanks to information is a lot more difficult to hide.
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