Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

[Mobius_118]

Now that the House of Congress is back in the control of people who are not retarded, we'll be seeing more control put on this farce.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Yes. The least important part of the Legislature. Congrats.

It's amazing how much of a normie shill you are. So fanatical that you can't even see how easily you're getting played by the Googles and Facebooks of the world.

[Mobius_118]

Yes. The least important part of the Legislature. Congrats.

It's amazing how much of a normie shill you are. So fanatical that you can't even see how easily you're getting played by the Googles and Facebooks of the world.

You know, the more you talk, the more I see a basement dwelling maggot rather than the "rich person" you pretend to be.

And speaking of getting played, you can hardly say anything because you think anything you say is based on reality, when you're saying "THERES NO COLLUSION YOU FUCKING FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG" when the trump team is getting picked apart for Russian collusion and conspiracy.

So sit and spin you fucking gremlin.

[TTTX]

when the trump team is getting picked apart for Russian collusion and conspiracy.

you have been saying that for years and yet nothing has come of it, so that's a dead horse at this point in time.

[Mobius_118]

when the trump team is getting picked apart for Russian collusion and conspiracy.

you have been saying that for years and yet nothing has come of it, so that's a dead horse at this point in time.

Ok.

[Sinekein]

It's a bit terrifying to watch a discussion with people who mostly consider themselves as "centrists" or "left-leaning" spending 95% of their time being critical of the Democrats instead of Trump, even though they just took back control of a third of the parliament today. Listening to you you'd think the Congress had been blue for the last two years.

Hearing that, currently, the left is more dangerous than Trump...seriously, what the fuck? It's easy to diss the Dems because they rely on identity politics, but it's even easier to do so when you're white and straight, because you don't have to suffer the daily consequences of a president whose hardcore fanbase is made of overtly racist, misogynist and homophobic people.

Like this from Mazder:

How about actually talking to someone on the opposite side and getting their opinion behind those reasons. There are a fuck-tonne of people you lost in the last vote that disagree on all of those points but were won over by another.

Take the border wall, for example. Yeah most know it's a stupid idea, but when it's between "stupid idea that's actually talking about the issue and their onion on the issue" vs "No, let us have an open border" they're going to side on those that wish to retain their borders.

Basically no Democrat wants "open borders", it's not Civilization V. Trump says that the Dems want open borders, and as such, people believe that it's what the Dems want. It's easy to say that the wall is a stupid idea when you buy the equally stupid and untruthful statements that follow from the POTUS.

So criticizing "the Dems" as a whole is just eating up the shit Trump serves. And it's worrying, because he isn't going to be less stupid, offensive or untruthful in the next two years. You can blame the Democrats for their infighting or their inability to find a natural leader - although really that's never been an issue before with American politics, as the whole campaign is designed for such a leader to emerge, especially following 8 years of a charismatic president, but whatever - but you have a responsibility to stop buying outright lies and treat them as facts in the debates.

From Mazder

Like, yeah, I don't like the guy either but fuck sake you have to put more effort in things than it being "Well it's not Trump so it must be good!"

From Frozenshadow

And you can not tell me that having the Left sitting there arguing amongst themselves and jumping on Trump every time he says something bad instead of looking for the bad things and actively combating them have helped either.
Least as much in their PR relations anyway.

There are many Democratic politicians who are putting effort. Seriously, they are so divided at the moment that if you consider yourself somewhere between the far left and the middle-right, you WILL find a Democrat whose policies suit you. But you have to actually look for those, because of the noise caused by the presidential turd that takes a lot of space in the media - all of the media. And you can't blame them for reporting what the president of the US says, it's their job, even if said POTUS is barely articulate or exhibits all traits of being a borderline psychopath.

So again, saying that the only thing the Democrat say is "we're not Trump" just means that you haven't even looked at what they're actually saying, you're just buying what Trump supporters say of them.

I mean, between Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren, Beto O'Rourke, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillibrand, Amy Klobuchar or Cory Booker, you have a large variety of political lines, personal opinions, skills, personalities and histories. But these informations won't magically appear out of thin air on the front page of the news, because Trump will occupy those for the remaining 728 days of his current mandate. The effort is also to be put by those who wish to seriously discuss politics.

Again, what I find a bit horrifying is that many people claim that they know how "stupid" the worse things Trump says are, but seem to actually be implicitly buying a large part of his speeches, as if saying something horrendously offensive or dumb allowed to pass some almost-as-dumb ideas as "reasonable", or even "true".

Also, it's not because the current president speaks in 140 characters that all politicians do. All other politicians actually do speeches with a diverse vocabulary, and if you only read their tweets or the headlines of articles reporting on those speeches and consider those headlines "representative of what they say", then you're just not doing your job as a voter. Because obviously those speeches will be critical of the president, but there isn't much effort to be put in to realize that they go beyond that. If "Trump sucks" was all the Democrats said, they wouldn't be divided at all.

But sadly, it seems that Twitter, Facebook or Reddit, systems that thrive on one-liners and shock declarations, are the way people get information. And you can't beat Trump at shock declarations. It's not that hard really to get informed, there are hundreds of newspapers doing their role of reporting information - even local ones if you are interested in a state or local politician - but they don't get the most "likes" because people have to put in some effort to read them.

[TheodoricFriede]

It's a bit terrifying to watch a discussion with people who mostly consider themselves as "centrists" or "left-leaning" spending 95% of their time being critical of the Democrats instead of Trump

Probably because the far-left is far more loud, obnoxious, and childish then the far-right.

[Sinekein]

Aside from the fact that while the far-left is obnoxious, the far-right is dangerous - which IMO is worse - it still means that nowadays even moderates seem to have bought the narrative crafted by the Republicans that all Democrats are crazy egalitarians, feminazis, social justice warriors, plotting a great migrant invasion, etc etc.

I mean, some Dem politicians can qualify as far-left (Ocasio-Cortez), but they're not the norm, and neither are their voters. But the far-right has created the "liberal" box for them to blame everything on, and it seems that many outside of the far-right have adopted the same view on politics. Which is sad, again, because you don't need to do much to realize how bullshit it is - especially when you are among the moderates who said Clinton mistreated GOP voters in 2016.

And the same far-left are brought again and again and again as examples of what Democrats are, as if a video made by some hardcore, fringe feminist was an accurate depiction of Democrat voters and elected officials. And as if the left as a whole had time to waste having to prove that they aren't like that, while they already have to fight for air time in the twitter politics era.

Like this :

So, the piece of stupid of the day. Critics are mad at the Aquaman movie because it's NOT political. THe consensus seems that it should have had either had taken a stronger stance against pollution and global warming, or have Mera turning out to be the true ruler of Atlantis behind the scene instead of a toxic old-schoo man stereotype like Arthur Curry.

Because a movie about a fish-man fighting crab-monsters and traveling to the Hollow Earth, with dinosaurs and everything clearly would have benifitted to be turned into a political discussion too.

One critic even called Jason Momoa a "arian stand-in".

Yep. Aquaman, from Superfriends meme, to Atlantean Hitler.

(too bad Momoa is hawaiian and has not a drop of european blood in his veins, but don't tell that to these crazy people)

Was gonna put this in the movie thread, but almost every time I make fun of leftards, afterwards I have to write two pages of text to explain why I'm not a racist or something, so perhaps it's better put it here.

Like, Aquaman is rated fresh on Rottentomatoes, and the four or five critics (in French) I've found on various media mostly agreed that it was a dumb yet extremely enjoyable movie (but dumb)(but enjoyable). I didn't even hear a glimpse of the opinion depicted here. Yet it is written as "critics are mad", ie the most common opinion.

Now, in all likelihood, whoever presented that stupid opinion of Aquaman identifies as a Democrat (or at least as left-wing). Yet it doesn't take much effort to realize that most let's say left-leaning cinema enthusiasts didn't care about what is said here. But framing information like this forces them to spend time explaining why they are not fringe lunatics, time that could be spent talking about what they actually are or think.

I know of a site, in French, who manages to frame all Disney movies are evilly conservative. Even Coco. It's basically a checklist of all crazy far-leftist themes stacked into lengthy articles by people who present themselves as "critics". It's the kind of site that deserves the label "leftard". But it's also one site, while there are hundreds others who discuss movies like adults. But, if you want to show that all left-leaning people are crazy - you link them. And if you keep linking towards their articles, you create the illusion that there are many of these people.

It's the same here, I lost the count how many times Alienmorph mentioned some crazy stuff said by hard-left media critics. I don't mean to say that what he reads doesn't exist, but reading so much of it can falsely make you think that they are the most popular, while they really aren't - except in the far-right when they need something easy to despise. Kind of like Alex Jones is for the left.

[TheodoricFriede]

Aside from the fact that while the far-left is obnoxious, the far-right is dangerous - which IMO is worse -

Dude, you fucking called people racist for not liking Black Panther.

Thought policing is the most dangerous and terrifying thing imaginable.

[Mobius_118]

It's a bit terrifying to watch a discussion with people who mostly consider themselves as "centrists" or "left-leaning" spending 95% of their time being critical of the Democrats instead of Trump

Probably because the far-left is far more loud, obnoxious, and childish then the far-right.

I can name off a continuous feed about how the far right have been the biggest babies in this nation.

It gets even better since you say that living in a state that basically is nothing but a sensitive snowflake. Every texan I know has a shitfit if you don't care that they're from Texas. I have seen, known, and sadly work with more conservatives than I'd like, and it's nothing but blaming liberals/blacks/Mexicans/women for their problems. Problems caused by republican shills and corporate decisions.

Aside from the fact that while the far-left is obnoxious, the far-right is dangerous - which IMO is worse -

Dude, you fucking called people racist for not liking Black Panther.

Thought policing is the most dangerous and terrifying thing imaginable.

To be fair, the people I know who didn't like Black Panther were racists.

[TheodoricFriede]

Oh thats cute, it crawled out of the gutter because it felt lonely.

[Mobius_118]

Oh thats cute, it crawled out of the gutter because it felt lonely.

Yeah I knew you'd be this way. I've tried to make amends, move past, fail to make amends because you're a shithead, and try to move on anyway.

You? You're stuck in the past with some sort of long, cylindrical object in your asshole. Because you're a shithead.

Get off your Star of David, build a bridge, and get over it. Whatever it is.

[TheodoricFriede]

You have never tried to make amends. And even if you did, you would be unworthy of my forgiveness.

But its nice to see you are adding antisemitism to your long list of fine qualities.

[Mobius_118]

You have never tried to make amends. And even if you did, you would be unworthy of my forgiveness.

But its nice to see you are adding antisemitism to your long list of fine qualities.

Yeah if I said get off your cross you'd say the same thing. It's hardly antisemitic to tailor something you need to do for your particular beliefs.

And I wasn't asking for forgiveness. I'm telling you to grow the fuck up. You're hardly worth the effort, but if you're going to say stupid shit whenever I decide to pop in and see what's going on, then I'm not the one with an issue.

[TheodoricFriede]

Im sure that has nothing to do with that fact that antisemitism is now the 'safe' racism.

[Mobius_118]

Im sure that has nothing to do with that fact that antisemitism is now the 'safe' racism.

Oh please, you've actively wished for my death multiple times and disregard everything I say simply because you're an asshole.

Now you finally care because I tailor a common saying, one of which is used for people such as yourself who have gigantic chips on their shoulders, to your religion, one that you probably don't follow anymore?

Yeah, you're reaching at this point.

[TheodoricFriede]

Whatever gets you through the day.

Im sure some of your best friends are Jewish after all.

[Mobius_118]

Whatever gets you through the day.

Im sure some of your best friends are Jewish after all.

Ok.

So are you going to get off your cross, build a bridge, and get over it?

[TheodoricFriede]

Are you suddenly going to morph into a less shitty human being?

[Mobius_118]

Are you suddenly going to morph into a less shitty human being?

Well now if you actually knew me you'd know that you've been the shitbag the whole time. But since you're so busy inventing a new narrative of me being a racist so you can justify your shitty behavior, I'll leave you to it.

Nothing quite caps off my night like you making shit up to justify your hatred for me.

[TheodoricFriede]

Buh-bye now!

[Mobius_118]

Buh-bye now!

Good talk.

[Alienmorph]

It's the same here, I lost the count how many times Alienmorph mentioned some crazy stuff said by hard-left media critics. I don't mean to say that what he reads doesn't exist, but reading so much of it can falsely make you think that they are the most popular, while they really aren't - except in the far-right when they need something easy to despise. Kind of like Alex Jones is for the left.

No no no... not just critics. Creators too, and lots of them, which are the ones that really pisses me off. When I talk about critics, it's mostly a case of "point at and laugh". Or did you really think I was seriously mad at a few nut-job for talking shit of f-ing Aquaman? lol

Also, I do recognize I can some time say something annoying or that can be read wrong when I talk of certain matters. It's why, despite the fact you've already pretty much dismissed me as a "centrist who doesn't understand" (not your words, but that's definately your attitude), I still have enough respect for your position to actually discuss/debate my point of view on certain things. Most extremists, both on the left and right, would not do that, which is part of why thei're extremists to begin with and why I try my best to do better than that.

As for why I'm so fucking frustrated at SJW-y media... well, again... my country is literally under a neo-fascist government at the moment, that blames everythig on immigrants, gays and liberals: just yesterday a statement came that "Italians who help non-italians are traitors and hate their country!" from one of our two de facto prime ministers (yeah... basically we have two Trump-like assholes in charge, it's a fucking mess) and I'd never ever EVER buy into that shit. And none of my friends and family worth talking about doesn't do that either. Yet whenever I go look for comics, movies or videogames that might interest me I have to constantly being lectured for having pale skin and a functioning dick like I'm the fucking antichrist, by entitled pricks who think that a country that elected an ignorant uber-capitalist for the umptheen time in its history now has it worse than anyone else on the fucking planet. I mean Trump is a fucking awful person, but you can't expect to erase white people from pop culture because he exists ffs.

So when I find something particularly stupid or irritating I look for some place to talk about it and vent for 15 or so minutes, and I've often been doing that here, because for the most part there's a good balance between respect for one another and differences of opinion (bitch-fits involving Mob, Theo and GAC aside).

If that annoys you greatly, I'm sorry, and I'm willing to continue explain my reasons, but if you're just gonna disagree or dismiss whatever I have to say, at least say it, so we can both save some time and stop headbutting at each other.

[TTTX]

It's a bit terrifying to watch a discussion with people who mostly consider themselves as "centrists" or "left-leaning" spending 95% of their time being critical of the Democrats instead of Trump, even though they just took back control of a third of the parliament today. Listening to you you'd think the Congress had been blue for the last two years.

Hearing that, currently, the left is more dangerous than Trump...seriously, what the fuck? It's easy to diss the Dems because they rely on identity politics, but it's even easier to do so when you're white and straight, because you don't have to suffer the daily consequences of a president whose hardcore fanbase is made of overtly racist, misogynist and homophobic people.

Trump is a narcissistisk, childish asshole, we all know it, but he isn't going to be president forever at best he is going to be voted out in 2020 at worst 2024.

Hardcore fanbases are always terrible and shows of some of the worst of humanity, the hardcore fanbase of the left is just as a bad as the hardcore Trump supporters, they are just a different kind of bad.

[Sinekein]

Aside from the fact that while the far-left is obnoxious, the far-right is dangerous - which IMO is worse -

Dude, you fucking called people racist for not liking Black Panther.

Thought policing is the most dangerous and terrifying thing imaginable.

Dude, you fucking called people antisemitic for not liking A Serious Man.

I mean, that's not true either, but I might as well say it and people will believe me, right?

Outright lies stated as established facts are the most dangerous and terrifying thing imaginable.

Yet whenever I go look for comics, movies or videogames that might interest me I have to constantly being lectured for having pale skin and a functioning dick like I'm the fucking antichrist, by entitled pricks who think that a country that elected an ignorant uber-capitalist for the umptheen time in its history now has it worse than anyone else on the fucking planet. I mean Trump is a fucking awful person, but you can't expect to erase white people from pop culture because he exists ffs.

I know those idiotic SJW exist. I do not deny it. What I question is their actual weight.

I do not go on Twitter or Tumblr. I only follow a handful of youtube reviewers, whom I will call overall very moderate in their political opinion (I follow them because of what they think of comic books or movies, not because of their politics). And all the debates and stupid opinions you so often mention are virtually nonexistent. I could find them if I actively looked for them, but why should I? And why should I watch videos from people who will devote time into talking about and dismantling them? I don't need them to know that extreme feminism or extreme black activism are wrong.

That's also why I only scarcely come here. I know that you repeatedly mention those topics. But in my personal online life, you're the only person who does so. If I don't come here, I can basically ignore the issue altogether and enjoy what I enjoy without being bothered by politics that don't interest me.

That's not always been the case. I used to be like you and actively seek political opinions on any newly released product. That coincided with the moment I was active on Twitter or several online forums. I have lost exactly nothing since I stopped using those entertainment-wise, and I've gained the ability to enjoy what I watch or read without being bothered by whatever controversy, however artificial it is, that surrounds it.

Because now, the internet is large enough that you can safely assume that if there's a stupid opinion to have about something, someone will have it. If you actively look for it, you will find it. If you don't, then it doesn't cease to exist, but it can stop bothering you altogether.

Trump is a narcissistisk, childish asshole, we all know it, but he isn't going to be president forever at best he is going to be voted out in 2020 at worst 2024.

Hardcore fanbases are always terrible and shows of some of the worst of humanity, the hardcore fanbase of the left is just as a bad as the hardcore Trump supporters, they are just a different kind of bad.

That's the middle ground fallacy and I don't like it. You can criticize two things without equating how bad they are. From what I gather there have been many far-left demonstrations in the US in the last two years, and only a handful of far-right ones, yet it's in the latter that someone was killed.

Obnoxious, loud, annoying, preachy, patronizing, insulting, yes, the far-left can be really bad, but dangerous and murderous will always be worse. It is possible to be wrong to different degrees.

[Raga]

Hearing that, currently, the left is more dangerous than Trump...seriously, what the fuck? It's easy to diss the Dems because they rely on identity politics, but it's even easier to do so when you're white and straight, because you don't have to suffer the daily consequences of a president whose hardcore fanbase is made of overtly racist, misogynist and homophobic people.

Name me one major norm setting institution that isn't currently dominated by left of center thought.

The media (both news and entertainment) is.
The universities are.
Big corporations, especially tech companies that are in the information dissemination business, are.
Government administration at almost all levels is.
Science increasingly is.

The only one I can think of that arguably isn't is the court system, which is one of the reasons a lot of conservatives are hyperpartisan on the issue of conservative justices.

So *if* a hypothetical authoritarian gets into office and the general trend of the whole population is drifting towards pro-authoritarian policies (and it is), which side currently has more of an infrastructure in place to enforce what they want done?

[Mazder]

It's a bit terrifying to watch a discussion with people who mostly consider themselves as "centrists" or "left-leaning" spending 95% of their time being critical of the Democrats instead of Trump, even though they just took back control of a third of the parliament today. Listening to you you'd think the Congress had been blue for the last two years.

TBH I am more critical of individuals here and their behaviour. Well, currently only one ATM.
But TBH when about 90% of US media is doing the work for me I don't need to be critical of Trump, the hard work is done for me.
There is however a shocking imbalance of looking into the Democrat side of things. A corrupt Democrat could easily get multiple free passes now by their own side.

Hearing that, currently, the left is more dangerous than Trump...seriously, what the fuck? It's easy to diss the Dems because they rely on identity politics, but it's even easier to do so when you're white and straight, because you don't have to suffer the daily consequences of a president whose hardcore fanbase is made of overtly racist, misogynist and homophobic people.

And do you know why they're seen as racist, mysoginistic or homophobic?
Is it because they literally are that 100% of the time or were misrepresented once and the left wing took that instance and ran with it?
Yeah, there is a base that is racist and all that shit, not going to dispute that. But the level/amount of people that are full blown are not as much as the media would have us believe. A lot of it is spin.
I mean, for example, with the Berkely rallies with the Tiki torches a lot of the slogans are either misrepresented or straight up ignored in their context. As much as you could here "Jews will not replace us" you could easily hear "You will not replace us". Given the sound quality of the clips and internet phenomena with other sound clips it was all very up for interpretation. Do you hear Jew or You? Laurel or Yanny? Depending on which you hear means you're already about to take a stance. One means hard right antisemites the other is mid-right anti-illegal immigration advocates.
I'm not calling for anyone to ally themselves with their ways of thinking or their opinions, but at least be ready to not assume the very worst.

Hell, even in the "Blood and Soil" chants (for which a moment I do not believe it was anything but a direct parroting of the same meaning as it was used in the past) you can argue that these kids don't understand the full weight of the words and are trying to use it in a different context. To them it could mean "American Blood and Soil" and that could have 100% different meaning than the last time it was used. Not likely, but possible.

Like this from Mazder:

How about actually talking to someone on the opposite side and getting their opinion behind those reasons. There are a fuck-tonne of people you lost in the last vote that disagree on all of those points but were won over by another.

Take the border wall, for example. Yeah most know it's a stupid idea, but when it's between "stupid idea that's actually talking about the issue and their onion on the issue" vs "No, let us have an open border" they're going to side on those that wish to retain their borders.

Basically no Democrat wants "open borders", it's not Civilization V. Trump says that the Dems want open borders, and as such, people believe that it's what the Dems want. It's easy to say that the wall is a stupid idea when you buy the equally stupid and untruthful statements that follow from the POTUS.

So criticizing "the Dems" as a whole is just eating up the shit Trump serves. And it's worrying, because he isn't going to be less stupid, offensive or untruthful in the next two years. You can blame the Democrats for their infighting or their inability to find a natural leader - although really that's never been an issue before with American politics, as the whole campaign is designed for such a leader to emerge, especially following 8 years of a charismatic president, but whatever - but you have a responsibility to stop buying outright lies and treat them as facts in the debates.

You say that but then there are sanctuary cities, plans to give illegal immigrants voting rights and "undocumented citizens" becomming/running for mayoral offices. That shit sounds pretty "open borders" or close enough to make it uncomfortable.

And they're not outright lies. And worst they're the general feeling of a lot of the nation, or a significant enough chunk of it that are worried enough to side with Trump. At the very least the left is not doing enough to dissuade their fears, or show support for their ideals. A lot of current Democrat ideals are very useful in the big cities/densely populated states but they lose a large chunk on rural areas. Areas where they have very tight-knit communities that are not very open to rapid changes/different ways of life.

From Mazder

Like, yeah, I don't like the guy either but fuck sake you have to put more effort in things than it being "Well it's not Trump so it must be good!"

From Frozenshadow

And you can not tell me that having the Left sitting there arguing amongst themselves and jumping on Trump every time he says something bad instead of looking for the bad things and actively combating them have helped either.
Least as much in their PR relations anyway.

There are many Democratic politicians who are putting effort. Seriously, they are so divided at the moment that if you consider yourself somewhere between the far left and the middle-right, you WILL find a Democrat whose policies suit you. But you have to actually look for those, because of the noise caused by the presidential turd that takes a lot of space in the media - all of the media. And you can't blame them for reporting what the president of the US says, it's their job, even if said POTUS is barely articulate or exhibits all traits of being a borderline psychopath.

Even if that's the case it's the media who are doing the damage there. A small amount of people are going to hunt for their politics/politicians. They will just turn on the news and get it there. Or on the internet/subreddit/forum/etc. The media needs a clean-up if the party line is all very left-wing based enough to say literally everything about Trump. Which TBH I bet he's mostly doing because the media is frothed to a frenzy when he opens his mouth. He's a businessman and he knows any publicity is good publicity. I mean we're talking about him aren't we?
What if we weren't? I'm not saying ignore him, but show him his grandstanding and posturing means nothing to us.

So again, saying that the only thing the Democrat say is "we're not Trump" just means that you haven't even looked at what they're actually saying, you're just buying what Trump supporters say of them.

I mean, between Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren, Beto O'Rourke, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillibrand, Amy Klobuchar or Cory Booker, you have a large variety of political lines, personal opinions, skills, personalities and histories. But these informations won't magically appear out of thin air on the front page of the news, because Trump will occupy those for the remaining 728 days of his current mandate. The effort is also to be put by those who wish to seriously discuss politics.

Which is a massive problem as they're all under the 1 banner of "Democrat". It doesn't matter how much they may or may not differ, at some point they'll have to go through the political process of becoming the one candidate for the Democrats and then they'll have to sacrifice what makes them different to tow the party line.
They should all split and make their own parties.
And even then, them not breaking out further against the Trump media wave is just as bad, worse when they join in on it. The more they go on about him the more they make their messages misheard as it falls into the MASS of the Anti-Trump wave.
Yeah, we know Trump sucks as we've already have 5 news sites tell us the shit he's doing, I don't care if you're outraged I just want to know what you're going to do about it and the things "I" may have voted for you for.

Again, what I find a bit horrifying is that many people claim that they know how "stupid" the worse things Trump says are, but seem to actually be implicitly buying a large part of his speeches, as if saying something horrendously offensive or dumb allowed to pass some almost-as-dumb ideas as "reasonable", or even "true".

Also, it's not because the current president speaks in 140 characters that all politicians do. All other politicians actually do speeches with a diverse vocabulary, and if you only read their tweets or the headlines of articles reporting on those speeches and consider those headlines "representative of what they say", then you're just not doing your job as a voter. Because obviously those speeches will be critical of the president, but there isn't much effort to be put in to realize that they go beyond that. If "Trump sucks" was all the Democrats said, they wouldn't be divided at all.

But sadly, it seems that Twitter, Facebook or Reddit, systems that thrive on one-liners and shock declarations, are the way people get information. And you can't beat Trump at shock declarations. It's not that hard really to get informed, there are hundreds of newspapers doing their role of reporting information - even local ones if you are interested in a state or local politician - but they don't get the most "likes" because people have to put in some effort to read them.

You say it's "not that hard". Maybe. But is it time consuming? Yes. Very much so.
Most people don't want to spend that much time on politics because it's fucking depressing, dull, time consuming and full of boring old fucks droning on in long-ass speeches, or using needlessly flowery/round-about language to make it so only those who want to follow along.

You want to know why Trump and the Media are so easily listened to? Because they make it easy to listen to. They go where the people go, formulate it in quick, easy to digest and easy to feel/react chunks. Because people are lazy/efficiency oriented. They want what they want now so they can get on with their lives. The elitist "only these people are being proper in discussing politics" thing is bullshit to the average person, and it's the average person you have to convince.
The political world needs to catch up if they don't want more people akin to Trump in it's scene.

Aside from the fact that while the far-left is obnoxious, the far-right is dangerous - which IMO is worse - it still means that nowadays even moderates seem to have bought the narrative crafted by the Republicans that all Democrats are crazy egalitarians, feminazis, social justice warriors, plotting a great migrant invasion, etc etc.

I mean, some Dem politicians can qualify as far-left (Ocasio-Cortez), but they're not the norm, and neither are their voters. But the far-right has created the "liberal" box for them to blame everything on, and it seems that many outside of the far-right have adopted the same view on politics. Which is sad, again, because you don't need to do much to realize how bullshit it is - especially when you are among the moderates who said Clinton mistreated GOP voters in 2016.

And the same far-left are brought again and again and again as examples of what Democrats are, as if a video made by some hardcore, fringe feminist was an accurate depiction of Democrat voters and elected officials. And as if the left as a whole had time to waste having to prove that they aren't like that, while they already have to fight for air time in the twitter politics era.

I think that with this it's more a fault that the "less vocal" sections of the Democrats aren't as vocal as they could have been/should have been. Especially since there is no denouncement of the more radical sections of their political sphere.
Mind you any time you do that the vocal side then draws the lines back again to include the "not far left" into the same camps as those in the far-right and make the entire thing a more polarizing issue when they really don't need to. Basically anything not far-left is the new middle-left and that is more terrifying to me as it pushes the scales really out of whack.
Especially as they're the more vocal group. They're the ones who will be seen more often than not, especially once they align themselves with some very violent groups like Antifa and BLM. "You're not racist are you?! Well these people behind us say you are whether you actually are or are not. And you don't want that, so join us." - is pretty much how it feels/looks to those on the outside, which is anyone not-far-left.

To be fair, the people I know who didn't like Black Panther were racists.

To be fair a small group of people you know doesn't equate to the entire population, or the entire world-wide population that saw Black Panther and may have disliked it.

I didn't like it for it's anti-white Imperialism, but pro-black Imperialism messages. Am I racist too for not liking it's blatant hypocrisy?

Yeah if I said get off your cross you'd say the same thing. It's hardly antisemitic to tailor something you need to do for your particular beliefs.

Yeah that's a weak fucking excuse and even so it's still an admission of targeting his Jewish faith for an insult.
He's a semite, you're anti-him ergo you're an anti-semite.
And that's not even spinning it that hard.

Oh please, you've actively wished for my death multiple times and disregard everything I say simply because you're an asshole.

Now you finally care because I tailor a common saying, one of which is used for people such as yourself who have gigantic chips on their shoulders, to your religion, one that you probably don't follow anymore?

Yeah, you're reaching at this point.

Heh, try not being so easily triggered/rising to the bait. If he responds don't respond/reply and maybe the image of you being the "good guy" might actually begin to come out of reality and not your own ego.

Plus the whole "get off your cross" thing is drenched in anti-semitism in the first place as it likens the person on the cross to Jesus, y'know, the Jewish Guy? So it's not as if that phrase is as innocent to start off with.

Nothing quite caps off my night like you making shit up to justify your hatred for me.

Maybe he just doesn't fucking like you?
How massive is your ego to think that there could not be anyone out there that doesn't like you, or that you've given no-one any reason to not like them, especially after years of arguing with that person.
Mate, you're not a fucking saint, people don't like ya, stop taking it so personally. Just give up, get the message, he doesn't like you, never will and will always let you know you're irredeemable in his eyes.

[Raga]

Like, Aquaman is rated fresh on Rottentomatoes, and the four or five critics (in French) I've found on various media mostly agreed that it was a dumb yet extremely enjoyable movie (but dumb)(but enjoyable). I didn't even hear a glimpse of the opinion depicted here. Yet it is written as "critics are mad", ie the most common opinion.

Now, in all likelihood, whoever presented that stupid opinion of Aquaman identifies as a Democrat (or at least as left-wing). Yet it doesn't take much effort to realize that most let's say left-leaning cinema enthusiasts didn't care about what is said here. But framing information like this forces them to spend time explaining why they are not fringe lunatics, time that could be spent talking about what they actually are or think.

I know of a site, in French, who manages to frame all Disney movies are evilly conservative. Even Coco. It's basically a checklist of all crazy far-leftist themes stacked into lengthy articles by people who present themselves as "critics". It's the kind of site that deserves the label "leftard". But it's also one site, while there are hundreds others who discuss movies like adults. But, if you want to show that all left-leaning people are crazy - you link them. And if you keep linking towards their articles, you create the illusion that there are many of these people.

I actually agree on most of this. Also worth noting that Youtube is to the right what Twitter is to left basically.

[Raga]

Every texan I know has a shitfit if you don't care that they're from Texas.

When the hell have I ever done this? The only time I've put on the Stetson has been when you've made sweeping declarations about how the whole South is a primitive backwater or some similar thing. (And no, I'm not going to resurrect that debate even if you do insist that is).

[Raga]

I mean, for example, with the Berkely rallies with the Tiki torches a lot of the slogans are either misrepresented or straight up ignored in their context. As much as you could here "Jews will not replace us" you could easily hear "You will not replace us". Given the sound quality of the clips and internet phenomena with other sound clips it was all very up for interpretation. Do you hear Jew or You? Laurel or Yanny? Depending on which you hear means you're already about to take a stance. One means hard right antisemites the other is mid-right anti-illegal immigration advocates.
I'm not calling for anyone to ally themselves with their ways of thinking or their opinions, but at least be ready to not assume the very worst.

Hell, even in the "Blood and Soil" chants (for which a moment I do not believe it was anything but a direct parroting of the same meaning as it was used in the past) you can argue that these kids don't understand the full weight of the words and are trying to use it in a different context. To them it could mean "American Blood and Soil" and that could have 100% different meaning than the last time it was used. Not likely, but possible.

Eh, I'd be careful with this. I am trying to prevent thread spam here by posting 3000 things responding to every statement made in these WoTs, but felt like this was noteworthy. Whatever those guys were saying, they are hardcore white supremacists/neo-nazis.

https://www.pbs.org/video/documenting-h ... 20-ie0mod/

https://www.pbs.org/video/documenting-h ... is-vrbezk/

[Mobius_118]

Mazder, I have never, in my life, held antisemitic sentiments. I just don't give two fucks about peoples religions. You may as well label me the anti-christ as well, if we're going to go full Theo.

And I don't give a fuck if he likes me. I truly don't. I do not, however, dehumanize him at every single opportunity like he does to me. The minute I say one thing, he has free reign to jump down my throat, but I can't say anything back because apparently I'm antisemitic. He sure likes to play identity politics when it suits him.

Every texan I know has a shitfit if you don't care that they're from Texas.

When the hell have I ever done this? The only time I've put on the Stetson has been when you've made sweeping declarations about how the whole South is a primitive backwater or some similar thing. (And no, I'm not going to resurrect that debate even if you do insist that is).

You're not really a Texan^tm. I can't tell you how many Texan military members like to sling load their heritage around like it's gods word.

[Mazder]

Eh, I'd be careful with this. I am trying to prevent thread spam here by posting 3000 things responding to every statement made in these WoTs, but felt like this was noteworthy. Whatever those guys were saying, they are hardcore white supremacists/neo-nazis.

https://www.pbs.org/video/documenting-h ... 20-ie0mod/

https://www.pbs.org/video/documenting-h ... is-vrbezk/

Without a doubt they are shitheads of the highest order.
All I am saying is that we should be way less reactionary, try and find a middle ground, as unlikely as it is, before automatically confirming the worst fears. The far left could learn to take a fw moments before the name calling.

Mazder, I have never, in my life, held antisemitic sentiments. I just don't give two fucks about peoples religions. You may as well label me the anti-christ as well, if we're going to go full Theo.

And I don't give a fuck if he likes me. I truly don't. I do not, however, dehumanize him at every single opportunity like he does to me. The minute I say one thing, he has free reign to jump down my throat, but I can't say anything back because apparently I'm antisemitic. He sure likes to play identity politics when it suits him.

Except ya just technically did.
It'd be enough to open up court proceedings over here for it (and the far left is 100% okay with it). Even in the USA some wish to try it.
Yeah, he goads you, it's not dehumanisation.

You can't say anything back because the ball is in your court to stop the argument there and then. Don't retaliate. Take one of the few good lessons religions do actually teach and learn to turn the other cheek. Don't get riled up in return. Ignore him.
Words are wind. Only you can give his power for yourself.
Put your ego in check and just ignore him. What's he gonna do, type more words for you to ignore?
Better yet blacklist him!
Or be petty and keep falling for the same stupid trick.

You're not really a Texan^tm. I can't tell you how many Texan military members like to sling load their heritage around like it's gods word.

I think you just know some arrogant as fuck Texans who happen to have been drawn into the Military.

[Raga]

Without a doubt they are shitheads of the highest order.
All I am saying is that we should be way less reactionary, try and find a middle ground, as unlikely as it is, before automatically confirming the worst fears. The far left could learn to take a few moments before the name calling.

Sure, I'm just saying that using those guys as an illustration might not be the best. If your argument is basically "the Left is calling all sorts of things Nazis that aren't actually Nazis," those guys are a poor example because they totally are Neo-Nazis. Like swastika waving, Hitler saluting, Aryan tattoo having actual Neo-Nazis.

Now, it *is* true that if you want to deradicalize people, engagement has been proved to work better than ostracism. And the reason we've engaged mostly in ostracism over engagement in the last 50ish years is because we had succeeded in suppressing bonafide violent white supremacy into the lowest nadir that it will probably realistically ever be reduced to in the United States, and thus we could afford to treat them as the insignificant pariahs that they were.

However, we can't do that anymore because they have surged in numbers such that they are actually dangerous again and because the Left has adopted such a floating definition of fascism/Nazism/white supremacy or whatever actually is that they've created a big convenient smokescreen for them to operate under.

[Alienmorph]

I know those idiotic SJW exist. I do not deny it. What I question is their actual weight.

I do not go on Twitter or Tumblr. I only follow a handful of youtube reviewers, whom I will call overall very moderate in their political opinion (I follow them because of what they think of comic books or movies, not because of their politics). And all the debates and stupid opinions you so often mention are virtually nonexistent. I could find them if I actively looked for them, but why should I? And why should I watch videos from people who will devote time into talking about and dismantling them? I don't need them to know that extreme feminism or extreme black activism are wrong.

That's also why I only scarcely come here. I know that you repeatedly mention those topics. But in my personal online life, you're the only person who does so. If I don't come here, I can basically ignore the issue altogether and enjoy what I enjoy without being bothered by politics that don't interest me.

That's not always been the case. I used to be like you and actively seek political opinions on any newly released product. That coincided with the moment I was active on Twitter or several online forums. I have lost exactly nothing since I stopped using those entertainment-wise, and I've gained the ability to enjoy what I watch or read without being bothered by whatever controversy, however artificial it is, that surrounds it.

Because now, the internet is large enough that you can safely assume that if there's a stupid opinion to have about something, someone will have it. If you actively look for it, you will find it. If you don't, then it doesn't cease to exist, but it can stop bothering you altogether.

I did not just set out one day. What I used to have alot of fun looking up interesting news about movies or comics or games an so on. Now you go on whatever big website or channell and "The new Cowboy BeBop series is going to feature political commentary, also thei're looking to change race to half the cast to be more progressive." or "Why white critics don't really understand the importance of the Black Panther movie" or "Doctor Who NEEDS to be political, it doesn't matter what you want.". It's constant. It's not just a few nut-jobs on Twitter or Tumblr, which I don't use anyway. And yeah, there's an almost equally loud push-back... are you gonna tell me that's not understandable?

Also it's not like I just wake up and seek out things to get angry at, but current western media seems hellbent on fucking up over and over again, and then play the politics card to pretend they didn't. If I were to make a list of all the fuckups happened over the last 2 or 3 years it would be depressingly long. And if you don't think I would much prefer to be positive and enjoy what I like, you're veeeery mistaken.

And that's without talking of the whole censorship and gatekeeping aspect, that is actually really worrisome, and not just a matter of me being grumpy at bad movies and comics.

[Mazder]

Sure, I'm just saying that using those guys as an illustration might not be the best. If your argument is basically "the Left is calling all sorts of things Nazis that aren't actually Nazis," those guys are a poor example because they totally are Neo-Nazis. Like swastika waving, Hitler saluting, Aryan tattoo having actual Neo-Nazis.

Now, it *is* true that if you want to deradicalize people, engagement has been proved to work better than ostracism. And the reason we've engaged mostly in ostracism over engagement in the last 50ish years is because we had succeeded in suppressing bonafide violent white supremacy into the lowest nadir that it will probably realistically ever be reduced to in the United States, and thus we could afford to treat them as the insignificant pariahs that they were.

However, we can't do that anymore because they have surged in numbers such that they are actually dangerous again and because the Left has adopted such a floating definition of fascism/Nazism/white supremacy or whatever actually is that they've created a big convenient smokescreen for them to operate under.

Ah, yeah I get ya.
Yeah they were just literally the first ones to pop into my head as I was thinking on how a lot of these arguments tend to hinge on still very poor camera footage and terrible audio quality to support a message and people tend to leap on that as the gospel when it's not exactly clear.

Yeah, it's weird when the term white nationalist is placed on equal footing as Patriotism.
I mean they're so very close together that muddying the waters is very dangerous.
I mean I am not certain if kids today have to do this but during the cold war at the very least I am sure you had to do the Pledge of Allegiance every morning.
To us in the UK, or at least myself, that is soooo fucking Authoritarian it's scary. I mean it's literally something the Hitler Youth did, no bones about it they all pledged their allegiance to their country, their flag, it being infallible and just and the very best they can achieve.
Now I am not saying every American kid is a fucking Nazi, obviously, but when they're doing similar stuff to what one did you have to make sure you don't do everything they did, y'know?
To me I hope the Pledge is removed as it's nothing short of Indoctrination.

[Raga]

We still say the pledge. It's fine. Pledging to the flag itself is kind of weird but not "the republic for which it stands." The only potentially problematic part of it is the "Under God" bit.

To be clear, you aren't *required* to say it. Like a student can't be disciplined for not saying it. They can be disciplined for willfully disrupting it though. It's like those NFL guys are allowed to kneel during the national anthem, but they can't go and snatch the mike out of the hands of the guy singing it.

[Augustei]

Why argue against the left instead of Trump? It's because of the left that we have Trump, it's well reported Trumps ground game was trash, his campaign was not well organized, his approvals weren't significantly above his opponent, his opponent got waaaaay more positive media coverage than he did, and he won.
The lefts biggest problem imo, they think Trumps victory just happened in a vacuum, that its this freak event that will never be repeated and once he's gone we can all return to normal. When really it was inevitable we would get someone like Trump, and radical populists are not going anywhere, heck they just keep becoming more common it started with Rand Paul and Obama (he largely ran as one, wasn't one however).

The rust belt hates the Democrats guts because they keep getting on their hands and knees and sucking off the corporate elite (TPP, NAFTA), they're widely perceived to be an elitist party alongside the Republicans, that looks down on the working class only difference is they go *deep* on the identity politics which the big cities seem to buy into and middle america doesn't give a shit about at best, but more commonly finds toxic af, They love foreign conflicts just as much as the Republicans, hell they like them more than the republicans. Bush had the US in 2 wars, by the end of Obamas time in office the US was in 7 wars and had massively upped the use of drones with their 90%+ civilian kill rate, they cry Trump is serving the Kremlin when he says he will pull out of Syria and Afghanistan, yet if you ask any respectable Political Science major what American action best serves Russia's foreign policy goals they would tell you the US continuing to get bogged down in the middle-east best serves them, since it leaves them too distracted to adequately address other theaters

The democrats don't plan on reforming anything (Pelosi and PayGo), oh but they did give us Romneycare or Obamacare as its also known, a plan that funnily enough was actually supported by the republicans until the dems took it up, a plan hated by both the right and the left but looved by the insurance companies, their stocks began tanking when a health care system was in development, but then ol' Barry came out with Mitt Romneys health care plan and their stocks went back up, oh and they signed the Paris Climate Accords which weren't binding and the US weren't projected to meet the targets anyway and that's pre-Trump, so fat lot of good that did.

And after getting their arses handed to them in 2016 so bad that the Republicans were mere inches away from being able to change the constitution on a whim, controlling the House, Senate (Which they still control!), and the majority of state legislatures, the presidency, the supreme court, what have they learned? what have they changed? fucking nothing.

Some people on the left, optimists, were saying that one good thing about Trump winning is that it would force the Democrats to wake the fuck up and get their shit together, maybe if 2020 is an absolute fucking bloodbath for the Democrats, where Trump and the Republicans win so immensely that it completely breaks the democratic party, we can finally be rid of this pathetic excuse of a party and have a left wing party that isn't a complete joke.

Ofc this shit isn't contained to just the US , Brexit, Bolsonaro, Duterte, the rise of the AfD in Germany, the Law and Justice Party in Poland, Andrej Babis in the Czech Republic, The Five Star Movement and the League in Italy, Le Pen now has higher approvals than Macron according to Politico, Corbyn from the left in the UK, and the populist parties get more popular and powerful every year in Hungary, Switzerland, Denmark, Austria, and Finland, and what's the lefts response? they double down with their stupidity, they deflect from their failings, or they make pathetic overtures like Merkels Burqa ban, or worse in the case of the public they just blame America for all their problems. I keep running across these pathetic leeches saying its the war mongering Americans (As if France, Italy, the UK, Spain and many others didn't say... enforce their no fly zone in Libya helping progress it on the path to failed state and creating the worst refugee crisis in modern history)

But its not as if the right wing populists have just wised up, gotten better organized and conveying their messaging more effectively. They havn't, it's just that the left is failing spectacularly. But maybe if you're one of those lunatics that chocks every bit of this up to the FSB carrying water for all of these movements across the globe, that this one agency, this global superpower is pulling all these strings across the world, even those places that used paper ballots that reportedly got "hacked" (heh incidentally isn't it funny how little media coverage there was for the British intelligences infiltration of the Bernie and Corbyn campaigns? really makes ye' think....), but yeah if you are one of these aforementioned people...consider this: if you're planting seeds, you need fertile soil for them to grow.

Rant's over, piss off.

[TheodoricFriede]

Dude, you fucking called people antisemitic for not liking A Serious Man.

I mean, that's not true either, but I might as well say it and people will believe me, right?

Here's the difference.

One of the events actually happened, and I could find proof of in in this very group.

And if not with Black Panther, then any number of times you accused someone of racism or sexism because they didn't like a particular comic or movie.

[Augustei]

Dude, you fucking called people antisemitic for not liking A Serious Man.

I mean, that's not true either, but I might as well say it and people will believe me, right?

Here's the difference.

One of the events actually happened, and I could find proof of in in this very group.

And if not with Black Panther, then any number of times you accused someone of racism or sexism because they didn't like a particular comic or movie.

Hey I don't really like any comics or super hero movies. So yes, we can now safely assume I hate all races (yes even my own!) and sexual orientations
*phew* glad we got that out of the way, the suspicion is always the awkward part

[TTTX]

Denmark

If there is one I'm glad of living in Denmark it's that there isn't any racist political parties (at least none that I know of), the downside is that the two big parties are both laughably incompetent and seems so similar that telling them apart politically is difficult since they spew the same nonsense, so no matter who wins, everyone loses expect the politicians.

Hey I don't really like any comics or super hero movies. So yes, we can now safely assume I hate all races (yes even my own!) and sexual orientations
*phew* glad we got that out of the way, the suspicion is always the awkward part

Well you are a crazy emperor so that makes total sense to me.

[Mobius_118]

Dude, you fucking called people antisemitic for not liking A Serious Man.

I mean, that's not true either, but I might as well say it and people will believe me, right?

Here's the difference.

One of the events actually happened, and I could find proof of in in this very group.

And if not with Black Panther, then any number of times you accused someone of racism or sexism because they didn't like a particular comic or movie.

There's volumes of GAC's an antisemitic, anti-muslim, anti-gay asshole comments. You yourself have been a complete fucking asshole to multiple people here on this very forum.

And one time I tell you to grow up using an off the cuff remark is worth automatically being labeled? Must be nice to be able to selectively use those identity politics you so love to shit on when it suits you.

[TheodoricFriede]

I dont have to take shit from someone who just proved himself to be an actual antisemite. Go back to your gutter and dont come back this time.

[Mobius_118]

I dont have to take shit from someone who just proved himself to be an actual antisemite. Go back to your gutter and dont come back this time.

Get the fuck over it. I dislike you because you're an asshole. That doesn't make me an antisemite.

[TheodoricFriede]

How many people have used that same statement to justify racial remarks they have made i wonder?

[TTTX]

You yourself have been a complete fucking asshole to multiple people here on this very forum.

Pot meet kettle.

[Mobius_118]

How many people have used that same statement to justify racial remarks they have made i wonder?

Since you're being an especially touchy asshole today, I'm going to let you in on a little secret: Grow thicker skin. You have said some truly heinous things to me, one of which is wishing I'd get killed.

Pretty sure you implied in a non-military exercise so my family doesn't even get to benefit from my life insurance, just as a little extra fuck-you.

So far, the absolute worst thing I've said was...a saying tailored to your faith, implying you need to quit being such a sensitive little baby whenever I decide to address you. In which, the sentiment still stands.

And now that you're falsely accusing me of being an antisemite, you really are on a roll for being a dumb asshole in the past 24 hours.

[Mazder]

We still say the pledge. It's fine. Pledging to the flag itself is kind of weird but not "the republic for which it stands." The only potentially problematic part of it is the "Under God" bit.

To be clear, you aren't *required* to say it. Like a student can't be disciplined for not saying it. They can be disciplined for willfully disrupting it though. It's like those NFL guys are allowed to kneel during the national anthem, but they can't go and snatch the mike out of the hands of the guy singing it.

Yeah but isn't it basically a case of you're not disciplined for not doing it but you're not looked upon favourably if ya don't do it.
I mean getting a bunch of kids up and reciting something to make sure the believe hard enough in the Republic kinda goes a bit against the whole Freedom of Speech thing the Republic does.
I dunno but to me it still just feels all sorts of creepy as all fuck.

Since you're being an especially touchy asshole today, I'm going to let you in on a little secret: Grow thicker skin. You have said some truly heinous things to me, one of which is wishing I'd get killed.

Pretty sure you implied in a non-military exercise so my family doesn't even get to benefit from my life insurance, just as a little extra fuck-you.

So far, the absolute worst thing I've said was...a saying tailored to your faith, implying you need to quit being such a sensitive little baby whenever I decide to address you. In which, the sentiment still stands.

And now that you're falsely accusing me of being an antisemite, you really are on a roll for being a dumb asshole in the past 24 hours.

You have wished for his death multiple times, advocated for beating him for a difference of opinion and pretty much called him every name under the sun.
You are nowhere near innocent and this is far from "the worst you've done".
And if they worst you've done is used a slur tailored to his faith that most would call call antisemetic behaviour/language then it's still not a good place to start.

[Sinekein]

Dude, you fucking called people antisemitic for not liking A Serious Man.

I mean, that's not true either, but I might as well say it and people will believe me, right?

Here's the difference.

One of the events actually happened, and I could find proof of in in this very group.

Find it then, meanwhile I'll look for your stand on A Serious Man. I expect similar results.

I linked Black Panther to criticism of American Imperialism. If you think it's the same as racism, then you're as articulate as your president.

And if not with Black Panther, then any number of times you accused someone of racism or sexism because they didn't like a particular comic or movie.

Yes, let's move the goalposts. Still: find it instead of making random and false accusations. It's not like I posted thousands of messages you have to comb through.

You are the one person on this forum it is impossible to have any kind of discussion with. You look like a truly miserable human being who wishes to drag everyone down, it is saddening to witness.

[TheodoricFriede]

You are the one person on this forum it is impossible to have any kind of discussion with. You look like a truly miserable human being who wishes to drag everyone down, it is saddening to witness.

And you are the quintessential SJW. I dont even like using that term, but you are it.

YOU are the internet boogieman.

Congratu-fucking-lations.

[Mobius_118]

His death? No, I haven't. A beating? Yeah, because all else has failed in getting him to grow the fuck up and quit being a reactionary little bitch. Would it work? No, because he's pretty much locked into hating me for reasons that I can no longer discern. Some real Hattfields vs McCoy's shit going on here.

Seriously. I've complimented him before and get told to fuck off and die. That's not the reaction of a stable person. Nor is going apeshit over something that not even my Jewish friends in the cities, one of which is a traditional Hasidic, would consider a slur.

Maybe, just maybe, his caustic reactions to my mere presence are the problem here, Mazder. You can't blame everything on me, not by a long shot. I'm not harassing him in PM's or Steam, and I'm not harassing Raga through PM's or Steam. He really is just that butthurt over something I can't remember.

And you are the quintessential SJW. I dont even like using that term, but you are it.

YOU are the internet boogieman.

Congratu-fucking-lations.

And you just used identity politics to smear me.

Good job, things have come full circle.