Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Whatever you say, snowflake.

How about you? Explain why you want net neutrality to go away.

Sure! I'm against regulations in general. And I remember the internet before 2015 which is basically what this bill is a return to. It was pretty alright. People on both sides of the spectrum are getting worked up over nothing.

[Mobius_118]

That's pretty stupid. You do know what monopolizing is, right? Privatization has rarely worked as well as projected.

Now, you're a parasite because your model cannot exist without regulations, yet you continue to insist on it. Without regulations, we will lose our habitat, water, water rights, food growth, and a whole host of other commodities.

You rail against the government, yet you really are totally reliant on it. You piss all over people who want a functional government, something we had for 8 years.

I'm not the only one who knows this about libertarians.

I await your response. Something about how I'm a globalist faggot or whatever. Go drink some unregulated liquor, die from the antifreeze used to make it. Don't care. I'm going to class on that GI Bill I earned. Great government program, that. Privatizing that would lead to nothing getting accomplished and a whole lot of veterans working at McDonalds for a non-living wage.

But that's the future you want.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Nah you're going to chase Plato's dream wherever it leads you. People are opposing your ilk for a reason and you're going to lose out for the same reasons I've mentioned multiple times before.

You're a tragic figure.

Linking the Guardian was funny as fuck though. Keep on keeping on Mobius. The world would be less entertaining without you.

[Mobius_118]

Not trying to defend yourself when you know you're a parasite. Typical parasitic behavior. You revel in it.

[Mobius_118]

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pent ... acilities/

This can only end in more dead veterans from lack of health care.

[Vol]

The illegal who shot Kate Steinle got off the hook. Illegal possession of a firearm, and that's fucking it. Defense went with, "He found a gun wrapped in cloth, dropped it, it went off, ricocheted off concrete, and killed Kate," and the San Fran jury agreed.

[Mobius_118]

Here's the thing, this happens all the time in the CJ system. It leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

Great news is that trump's little crusade against Mexico just got punked by his flagship case against people escaping a life of horror for a new life in this land of opportunity.

Well, land of opportunity for rich fucks anyway. Guy is still going to be deported. Shitbags are only pissed because he won't get lethal injection.

[Vol]

Here's the thing, this happens all the time in the CJ system. It leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

Great news is that trump's little crusade against Mexico just got punked by his flagship case against people escaping a life of horror for a new life in this land of opportunity.

Well, land of opportunity for rich fucks anyway. Guy is still going to be deported. Shitbags are only pissed because he won't get lethal injection.

My mother (lawyer) taught me young that the justice system isn't about justice, it's about resolving a conflict, and that's no small part of why I didn't follow in her footsteps.

There is no great news on this one, an exceptionally unpleasant man killed an innocent young woman, and he'll receive the same punishment he already has 6 times before.

Since it doesn't seem at all like first degree murder, the death penalty aught not to be in the conversation, but there must be a better solution than paying for him to live in an American jail for a bit, then sending him back to Mexico.

RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA: Flynn is apparently going to cop a plea bargain and admit he was told by a senior campaign official to contact the Russians. In December of 2016.

So these grand investigation has found tax evasion from Manafort, and two guys lied to the FBI, and so far, nothing criminal related to working with the Russians. Brilliant.

[Mobius_118]

That's all that's been revealed so far.

You don't show all of your cards right away when doing an investigation. Especially this one.

And trump, according to medical professionals, is showing signs of dementia. That 25th Amendment just might save this country yet.

[Vol]

Yeah but in Watergate, say, we had hard evidence of a crime. Nixon's cronies in the Watergate hotel, after that, it was connecting the dots through the process. The fundamental claim of a criminal conspiracy with Russia hasn't yet be substantiated.

Ethical medical professionals aren't to make diagnoses of people they haven't personally treated. However, as he is quite old, as was Hillary and Bernie, I would be 100% for yearly medical evaluations of the brain to be undertaken.

[Mobius_118]

There is evidence of a crime.

When dealing with corporate and private interests such as this, the peeling of layers is a long and arduous process. With shell companies involved, corporations can get away with murder.

And the trump administration has more than a few layers of bullshit to insulate them from culpability. Drain the swamp was one of his taglines, right? Instead he muddied the waters and turned a fairly transparent government into a shady bunch of shit that is actively fucking over the people. And his supporters love it, like addicts.

[Mobius_118]

Well, I hope you all enjoyed writing stuff off for taxes, because we no longer can.

All you trump supporters are responsible for this. Drink it in, assholes. This will fuck you over too.

Thanks for voting against your best interests for the sake of shitting on lefties. Hope it was worth it.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I don't write things off my taxes anyway so meh.

I don't like taxation but it's part of the social contract so loopholes should be eliminated.

[Mobius_118]

You stupid son of a bitch. They just opened up the loopholes for the rich.

Now the poor, the working, the middle class, and anyone else who isn't obscenely rich will be fucked financially. They passed the "tax bill".

I was never going to be rich, but at least under President Obama I was living comfortably. Now I won't be able to count on a tax return to funnel into a savings account. We'll all be paying higher on our taxes. People won't be able to afford anything other than the bare essentials, which means health care will be cast aside just so you can eat.

Again, I hope it's fucking worth it, you worthless shitlicker.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

You sound a little mad Mobius. Maybe you should have something to drink and calm down. You're getting hysterical again.

[Mobius_118]

You're not even a bit irritated you don't make enough to be saved from being fucked by the "tax reform"?

You must like getting fucked.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

You're not even a bit irritated you don't make enough to be saved from being fucked by the "tax reform"?

You must like getting fucked.

Nope. Closing loopholes and write offs is a way to increase revenue without actually raising taxes. It's why I support a flat tax rate instead of a progressive one.

[Mobius_118]

All it means is that the rich get richer and the poor get fucked.

Typical intellectually dishonest libertarian bullshit right there.

[Vol]

So you're expecting an increase then? Roughly how much?

[Mobius_118]

So you're expecting an increase then? Roughly how much?

I'm expecting no benefit to the poor, working, or middle class, and every benefit to the rich. We'll end up paying more in taxes, while the rich can use all of the loopholes opened up by this "tax reform".

It's not that fucking hard to see through it..

And yet...people still like it. Not many, but it's the too stupid or the rich that are enjoying the subjugation of the American people under corporate and personal greed.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Kek. Mobius in case you haven't noticed we've been in the thrall of major corporations for decades now.

They already do all the things you're bitching about. Literally nothing about this is groundbreaking or new. Kindly calm down.

[Mobius_118]

I have noticed. It's just never been so blatant.

This is all thanks to Reagan, Nixon, and the dismantling of corporate tax by the GOP. Libertarian and republican standards at work.

[FrozenShadow]

So you're expecting an increase then? Roughly how much?

I'm expecting no benefit to the poor, working, or middle class, and every benefit to the rich. We'll end up paying more in taxes, while the rich can use all of the loopholes opened up by this "tax reform".

It's not that fucking hard to see through it..

And yet...people still like it. Not many, but it's the too stupid or the rich that are enjoying the subjugation of the American people under corporate and personal greed.

Uh oh, poor Americans..... and I mean it in very literal sense after this Tax deform.

And the number 3 got to be worst and quite frankly, remind of situation with incoming Net neutrality vote. If anyone thinks that businesses or corporate even remotely have or think the best interest of normal people/consumer, they are fools. There is no way your average worker will see any benefit from this change. At most this could lead few extra jobs, at least as long as the current small upturn last. But nothing else and definitely no pay rises.

[Mobius_118]

In what fucking crazy world does this MAGA?

[DarkStorm]

A world where you dont go to college and you go to trade school instead. Probably better for you to be honest.

[Mobius_118]

Uh...huh. Yeah we can just import scientists and higher level engineers, medical personnel, those lawyers can just learn on the go.

The embracing of the dumbing down of Americans, and the punishment for people who all lead lives is in full effect with you, hm?

[DarkStorm]

Trade school isnt dumbing down. Also didn't say importing people.

They are a lot of trade school jobs that no one wants to do because they think its shit work when its really not and it pays well.

But considering how expensive college is plus the communist, marxist ,collectivism , and feminism ideologies going on less people (males anyway) are going to college so trade school is their best bet.

Plus the fees for tuition being like 510% higher than they used to be, and degrees that have no jobs in the field or flat out useless.

[Mobius_118]

Right, it's always that liberal blaming that solves all problems. Being exposed to different viewpoints in a learning environment? Totally overrated.

You do know that people still have to go through FAFSA to get financial aid for trade schools, right? People still go into debt for learning a trade.

[DarkStorm]

Pointing out the problem isnt blaming.

Trade schools and community colleges are much cheaper to pay for than colleges. MUCH cheaper.

[Mobius_118]

True, however good luck getting a job with a medical degree from some podunk community college.

If you haven't noticed there's a lack of nurses and doctors in the country. Do we just downgrade the requirements, then?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Right, it's always that liberal blaming that solves all problems. Being exposed to different viewpoints in a learning environment? Totally overrated.

Berkley, Evergreen, Missouri University, Harvard, So many other examples of students losing their fucking shit at the beck and call of their ideological crusader professors.

Because hate speech is a serious issue you goddamn bigots. And hurtful language must be punished with the gulag.

Holy fucking shit. Hey you know what we should do? Tell everyone to go to college. Especially in medicine and tech. Because when huge numbers of people go into a field that requires a lot of education that glut of supply doesn't do anything to the demand...

[Mobius_118]

There's a lot of different influences to why the current generation is completely screwed.

But encouraging them to go be doctors and do good in the world is not one of them.

Punishing them for defaulting on their loans by suspending their drivers licenses so they can't go to work? That's definitely not one of them.

Hell, one of the things I'm a supporter of is mandatory military service after high school, so these damn kids get some discipline and the GI Bill to pay for college, instead of dumping them into college with no life experience.

No matter what, though, you haven't pushed any substantial ways to fix anything, so go run along and be a libertarian maggot elsewhere.

[DarkStorm]

True, however good luck getting a job with a medical degree from some podunk community college.

If you haven't noticed there's a lack of nurses and doctors in the country. Do we just downgrade the requirements, then?

Mainly because degrees are expensive, most people dont like wiping shit, mopping up piss, dealing with blood and other stuff onto top of that the courses are hard as fuck which most have trouble with.

I never said downgrade the requirements.

[Mobius_118]

Tell me that when you have to go to a back-alley surgeon because you no longer have health insurance.

[DarkStorm]

Tell me that when you have to go to a back-alley surgeon because you no longer have health insurance.

I'm telling why you dont have many people going to be a doctor or nurse. I already have no health insurance so no big change here.

I know this cause I have a friend who is working to become a PA and people go into the nursing program and drop out either because its too work intensive, the shit/piss/blood, or the fail the classes or didn't reach the GPA that you need to maintain in order to get in/stay in the program.

[Mobius_118]

Yeah, and I have a sister who's an RN who wouldn't do anything else.

Guess that drive to do the right thing is waning in these younger generations.

[DarkStorm]

Yeah, and I have a sister who's an RN who wouldn't do anything else.

Guess that drive to do the right thing is waning in these younger generations.

You gotta wanna do it, cant force people to do it.

[Mobius_118]

Punishing those who do is not the right answer.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Yeah, and I have a sister who's an RN who wouldn't do anything else.

Guess that drive to do the right thing is waning in these younger generations.

You live entirely for your feelz.

Everything else is and will always be secondary. That's a lesser form of life.

[Mobius_118]

Well you are a selfish fuck, so I doubt you'd understand.

Which is why you'll never amount to anything but another libertarian leech. I don't pity you.

[Mazder]

TBH the only way you're going to encourage people to pick up a trade is to stop treating trade level and entry level jobs as utter shit to begin with.
If you give proper incentives and support to offset the menial labour and disgusting tasks then you should be able to find more people flocked to these opportunities. People can then consider climbing the ladder once they're on it.

Many of the reason younger people today have difficulties encouraging themselves to work is because they're encouraged, to the point of being forced, to have a decent skill set that is great on paper, but useless elsewhere. This "high academic norm" precedent we've set is making all other jobs look like they've given up and are settling for mediocrity whilst also elevating those who are simply on the new normal to a position where they think they're exceptional, making the truly exceptional more mediocre. It makes the entry requirements for jobs based on how much time you spent learning and less time you spent doing.
I feel that if more middle ground positions gave half the chance to some entry level kids, gave them the tasks to do and just spent five minutes running them through the basics they'd have a lot more younger staff in those positions than they currently have.
I mean I am pretty sure most teenagers these days aren't working in fast food because their skill set is as limited to flipping burgers. Some, yes, but in some of those you have some truly exceptionally intelligent people who are just not academically driven or academically "trained". Give them a trial run at a higher level job, give them the basic instructions and let them at it for a month I'm pretty sure they'll be at least the same as someone who goes in at the middle level who just came out of college/University.

Also people have really gotta stop treating the creative arts like shit as well. Yeah, maybe not to the level of degrees and shit being treated better but at least acknowledge the fact someone spent the time in learning a skill you didn't and be willing to pay them on the grounds they know that shit and you don't. Especially in those areas where things are just starting out for them.
We might get out of this mediocre creative funk in Hollywood and the music scene and even just straight up painting and sculpture and architecture if we stopped treating things based in art as "oh it's just doing things pretty I could have done that but because I spent my time being an admin or office worker I am better than the artist I'd hire because of tat reason...."
People might take risks again if the risks might pay off.

Mind you I still would prefer if you guys had a less abusive education system in terms of repayment.
If I learned I had to repay ALL my loans the second I leave college, regardless of if I get my dream job or not, I'd never go to college and would start working somewhere shite as then at least I might earn/save up money instead of it all going back into the system I wouldn't benefit from.

[Mobius_118]

Well yeah.

In my state the only way to be a police officer is to get at least a two year degree in criminal justice, that way when you go through academy you're not bogged down by the law aspect as much. You have a primer on the subject and can focus on the job aspect. I went the 4 year degree route because that opens up more opportunity to get promoted and with my experience, promotions will be more forthcoming. With the GI Bill covering tuition I don't have to take loans out to live. It's great.

And with the option for reenlistment in the Reserves to pay back all of my student loans...It's a good system. With the GOP, though, all of it is in jeopardy, as in we don't know if those options will be available in the near future. While being a Police Officer isn't necessarily my absolute dream job, being Special Forces was, it's still better than being a burger flipper, and I'm bored with ordinary jobs.

It's in the blood to do the right thing. And then you have shitlickers like GAC who mock people who do the right thing.

Lowest of the low, right there.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

>Doing something that makes other people swoon at your "Virtue"
>"The Right Thing"

I don't need the adoration and adulation of people I don't know and will never meet. I live the life I want to live and have the respect and friendship of the people who matter to me. If everyone did their best to take care of the people immediately around them they care about things would be a lot better for all of us.

Especially if we could get rid of the Utopian fuckwits who think their Ideology will totes work this time they just gotta try it one more time!

[Mobius_118]

You're still just a selfish prick. The shitty part is if you're in need, and I'm able, I'll still save your worthless ass.

I don't need your adoration. I'd rather work behind the scenes. I do need you to understand that I'm in a more informed position than you, and you need to understand that you're a part of a much bigger problem in this country.

The sooner you realize that, the better.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

You're still just a selfish prick. The shitty part is if you're in need, and I'm able, I'll still save your worthless ass.

I don't need your adoration. I'd rather work behind the scenes. I do need you to understand that I'm in a more informed position than you, and you need to understand that you're a part of a much bigger problem in this country.

The sooner you realize that, the better.

>Mobius
>More informed

Kek. You're a rote Regressive spouting the same rhetoric from the same news sources. Predictably. Every media narrative. Every bit of mental gymnastics.

You're an exceptional negative example and an inspiration to us all.

[Mobius_118]

Since when is a direct line to unbiased government sources considered regressive?

Don't answer, you might be exposed as the intellectually dishonest libertarian leech that you are.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Since when is a direct line to unbiased government sources considered regressive?

Don't answer, you might be exposed as the intellectually dishonest libertarian leech that you are.

Your world view is regressive Mobius. Your hysterical attitude is regressive.

You were absolutely certain that there would be #RightWingDeathSquads killing #MarginalizedGroups in the streets. We're almost a full year in and fuck all has been done.

Not a single death squad in sight. Which is damned disappointing. I've been waiting for the helicopters for years.

[DarkStorm]

Yeah, you have the GI bill that practically pays for everything.

[Mazder]

"Right thing" is a matter of perspective really.
Many have done the "right thing" but have ended up causing more harm than good. Many have done the "wrong thing" but have made progress towards good things. The "right thing" is only right if you get the majority people to also agree with you. If your culture is surrounded and mired in one way another way wont "just happen" because it's the "right" thing to do.
Plus the "right thing" can be said all the time, but a lack of action or counter-action can also just make the "right thing" appear as just another protest held by a few.

Personally I'd prefer you have your colleges set out where you have a similar system o the UK, where it's affordable and is payed back once you've set yourself up a stable platform to earn money.
I mean you can keep the big "important" ones to do the very specialized stuff and those who are going for those fields can get them if they need to, but you'd need to basically make those courses very refined at those universities/colleges. It's basically turn the highest universities into the schools necessary for the continuation of "the best of the best" and something to actually aspire to in that field. Other Unis could do the good courses too, but a degree from one of the bigger Uni's would mean extra and would make those schools actually prestigious again.
Plus a lot more people would find that if college was more available AND it was coupled with a "not everyone needs to have a top degree to get a decent job" mentality then those going to Uni would be the ones who actually need to for their careers, where the rest can learn what they'd need for a decent job without the massive weight of debt and stress on their heads.
Heck, some might start in a normal level college and find they can complete it, get a decent job and then go to one of the prestigious Uni's later on down the line without putting themselves in too much debt.

I don't need the adoration and adulation of people I don't know and will never meet. I live the life I want to live and have the respect and friendship of the people who matter to me. If everyone did their best to take care of the people immediately around them they care about things would be a lot better for all of us.

Especially if we could get rid of the Utopian fuckwits who think their Ideology will totes work this time they just gotta try it one more time!

There is a difference between "take care of the people immediately around them" and "better for all of us".
You can't only care for a small group whilst also wanting things to be better for a much larger set of people, even if you think smaller communities would solve the problem.
The problem being some people just don't care.

Yeah, you have the GI bill that practically pays for everything.

Well to be fair I'd rather not be the one being shot at because forced conscription was still a thing...so everyone paying a little so I am not the one sent away to be shot at, I'm fine with that.

[DarkStorm]

Oh I wasnt complaining that he had it he worked for it, but I just find it funny his complaining about this when everything is paid for him.