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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby TTTX » September 20th, 2018, 5:09 am

Raga wrote:Also, just finished replaying Ratchet & Clank Future games and it really makes me wish Insomniac would make another game in the core series and not just a remake.

Spidey game looks really good and I intend to pick that up, but still...

They have done a lot of Ratchet and Clank games if you include the minor games in the series they have made something around 10-12 games they need to take a break at this point, the remake proved that as the story telling in that was really crap compared to the original.

It's great, there is a bit of busy work in the open world, but it's all relate to Superhero and Science stuff so it makes mor sense then the Riddler trophies from the Arkham games.
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Postby Alienmorph » September 20th, 2018, 5:54 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4OTVCJHaH4

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Postby Someone With Mass » September 20th, 2018, 8:07 am

I thought 4 was alright, but yeah. It's just so pathetic that money is all these short-sighted idiots care about. If they think that I'll get a better experience by tossing more money at them after the game's release for something that can't even be classified as proper DLC, I can just say that I've dropped companies for less and not regretted a damn thing about it.

Then again, that's what you get when you let what must be products of incest rule your company.
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Postby Someone With Mass » September 20th, 2018, 10:17 am



Oh wow. They really need to rethink that title. "Bög" is a rather offensive term for male homosexuals in Sweden. And that's supposed to be a Northern language.

I don't have a problem with it, but I bet there are people that will have.
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Postby Raga » September 20th, 2018, 10:20 am

TheodoricFriede wrote:
Raga wrote:@Last Airbender show

There's nothing in the source material that inherently prevents a good adaption I guess is what I'm saying.

I dont know. I mean, why bother trying to remake something that is kind of perfect? Its like when they tried to remake Ghostbusters or Robocop. Why even bother? What can you possibly do better in the remake?


I think there's enough of a medium hop from cartoon to live action that you are getting something new out of it. If they were just remaking it as a cartoon, I'd agree it's completely pointless.

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There's such a thing as a "microtransactions/psychology" expert? I don't know if I should feel surprised and disgusted by that or just resigned.
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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Raga » September 20th, 2018, 10:27 am

TTTX wrote:They have done a lot of Ratchet and Clank games if you include the minor games in the series they have made something around 10-12 games they need to take a break at this point, the remake proved that as the story telling in that was really crap compared to the original.

It's great, there is a bit of busy work in the open world, but it's all relate to Superhero and Science stuff so it makes mor sense then the Riddler trophies from the Arkham games.


Wasn't the writing supposed to be bad because Qwark was the narrator? I read something like that in an interview somewhere that they were actually concerned about willfully rewriting how things began so they made the choice to have Qwark narrate, which of course renders the entire story unreliable because he's a profligate liar.

That being said, I didn't enjoy it as much because it did lack the wit and focus of the rest of the series. It did sell like hotcakes though even though they didn't expect that, which proves there's still a market for old school style Ratchet and Clank.

I've been debating if I want to pay full price for Spidey game or wait a bit. I'll probably break down and get it.

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Sinekein » September 20th, 2018, 10:34 am

I'm not sure I'm confident in a studio's ability to properly recreate the diverse setting. Legend of Korra would be much easier to tackle, because the various nations at that point have become more homogeneous due to technological progresses. I am not even sure I have ever seen any kind of good pseudo-Inuit culture on American or European TV, so I doubt anyone's ability to properly translate the Water Tribe from animation to live.

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Postby Raga » September 20th, 2018, 11:00 am

"Water tribe culture" is really like an inch deep though. It mostly consists of "here's some guys who live in the snow and wear parkas and have cool water powers." I can totally see people throwing a fit about that superficiality, but it's not like they are snubbing some great depth of lore from the show.

The difference is mostly aesthetics, and frankly, I'd expect the Northern Water Tribe city to be like 99% CGI anyway.

Pretty much all the rest of it you could film some place in East Asia and it would be fine. The Air Nomads are vaguely Tibet/Nepal, the Fire Nation is vaguely Japan, the Earth Kingdom is vaguely China so they could pick those places in particular if they are really worried about it.

As for Legend of Korra. 1. I really dislike Legend of Korra so I wouldn't be interested in this and it's much more of a narrative mess. 2. They also go to the Water Tribe for the better part of a whole season. 3. I actually think "1920s Manhattan but Asian" would be a lot harder to capture than "all the buildings are made from snow."

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Postby TTTX » September 20th, 2018, 12:42 pm

Raga wrote:Wasn't the writing supposed to be bad because Qwark was the narrator? I read something like that in an interview somewhere that they were actually concerned about willfully rewriting how things began so they made the choice to have Qwark narrate, which of course renders the entire story unreliable because he's a profligate liar.

That being said, I didn't enjoy it as much because it did lack the wit and focus of the rest of the series. It did sell like hotcakes though even though they didn't expect that, which proves there's still a market for old school style Ratchet and Clank.

I've been debating if I want to pay full price for Spidey game or wait a bit. I'll probably break down and get it.

Well it depends on when in the timeline it fits as Quark is in prison which suggests it takes place between 1 and 2, but at the same time at the end Ratchet and Clank don't seem to have a problem with Quark and even invites him to help them to catch the criminal who escapes which raises where it fits in the timeline and why he is in prison again because he isn't villain after 3 and as we know do anything criminal after 3.

Yeah, but I think the Studio is tired after making those games for so long the remake pretty much proved they were burned out with the whole Ratchet and Clank as a whole. They deserve a break.

Well I have played it and I think it's worth full price, story is for the most part awesome and have more emotion then the Arkham series ever had, but I might be a bit biased because I'm more of Spider-man fan then Batman fan. Gameplay awesome for the most part, there are a few forced stealth section where you don't play as Spider-man that can be annoying, but they are not long so it's fine and characters are generally pretty good and there are good world lore especially if you collect the backpacks around the city and sound recordings at certain places.
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Postby Raga » September 20th, 2018, 1:06 pm

Fine! Fine! I'll pick it up after work. Look what you did!

The instant I heard Insomniac were the ones developing that I thought it was perfect though. Their sense of humor and gameplay style is perfect for Spider-man.

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Postby Sinekein » September 20th, 2018, 1:10 pm

Between ATLA and TLOK, not to mention the three main characters that come from there over the two shows, we get quite a bit of insight at how their society works, or what their beliefs and traditions are.

Pretty much all the rest of it you could film some place in East Asia and it would be fine.


And I think that's also a problem. There's more or less zero white character in the entirety of the two shows. I highly doubt a show whose leads are Asian (Aang, Toph, Zuko) or, worse, Inuit/Yupik (Water Tribe) kids will get the required money to properly pull the supernatural elements of the show.
And I'd rather not think about them deciding to whitewash one of the Nations to get better funding.

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Postby Raga » September 20th, 2018, 1:29 pm

I don't think they'd whitewash. There's been several really successful things with an all or majority non-white caste recently and also a lot of love and respect for the original series and its sanctity since the debacle that was the movie. I actually don't remember any fans of ATLA protesting the whole "Aang ain't white" thing with the movie. Pretty much every reaction I saw (that wasn't from random assholes who didn't even know what the story was) was "yea, they're right; he isn't."

My point with the Water Tribe was more that that was all they had in common with actual Inuit people. Oh, and they eat dried seal meat I guess. Everything else is completely made-up and still really Asian (like the thing with the mystical yin/yang Koi fish).

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Postby Alienmorph » September 20th, 2018, 1:37 pm

Netflix is very obviously looking to have some more high-end productions going, so that they can still compete when Disney starts going on streaming... it's in their best interest to NOT fuck up something as beloved, and potentially lucrative, as Last Airbender.

Still think the show doesn't need to be remade, but we'll see how it goes.

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Postby Sinekein » September 20th, 2018, 2:13 pm

Raga wrote:I don't think they'd whitewash. There's been several really successful things with an all or majority non-white caste recently and also a lot of love and respect for the original series and its sanctity since the debacle that was the movie. I actually don't remember any fans of ATLA protesting the whole "Aang ain't white" thing with the movie. Pretty much every reaction I saw (that wasn't from random assholes who didn't even know what the story was) was "yea, they're right; he isn't."

My point with the Water Tribe was more that that was all they had in common with actual Inuit people. Oh, and they eat dried seal meat I guess. Everything else is completely made-up and still really Asian (like the thing with the mystical yin/yang Koi fish).


I know that people aren't asking for more white people. But studios tend not to like to put money without some big names to back their investments, and there aren't that many big Asian names, let alone Native ones, that they could use to advertise their show.

Even if GOT was a gamble, it was a gamble with Sean Bean's face on it.

As for the WT thing, I mostly meant that, despite how "little inuit" they are, the track record of live Western shows in depicting foreign/exotic cultures isn't stellar. Not that many even tackle the issue, and those that do aren't always that great - Game of Thrones being, again, an example.

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Raga wrote:Fine! Fine! I'll pick it up after work. Look what you did!

The instant I heard Insomniac were the ones developing that I thought it was perfect though. Their sense of humor and gameplay style is perfect for Spider-man.

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Postby Sinekein » September 20th, 2018, 6:50 pm

Holy shit, I just had an epiphany. And it's possible someone here might even help me.

I am currently trying to teach planetology in school - it's part of the biology/geology program - with a focus on why life is possible on Earth. I managed to create a series of exercises, and to craft something looking like a summary for them to learn, but I have struggled about how to evaluate them.

And then it just hit me: I could pick a Mass Effect system, and have them apply a similar reasoning to the solar one in order to determine where life is (hypothetically) possible.

So does anyone know of a ME system (OT or Andromeda) where there's one "liquid water" planet - basically, one where surface temp & atmospheric pressure would place water in the liquid domain, more clearly than Noveria if possible - and where one of the planets (not necessarily the "liquid water" one) has a satellite? I also want to remind them of the definition of a planet (roughly round, rotates around a star, has cleaned its orbit up) by adding a "trap".

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Postby Alienmorph » September 20th, 2018, 7:04 pm

Palaven comes to mind. It's Earth-like in size, placed around its star's habitable zone, and has a moon big enough to hold an atmosphere.

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Postby TheodoricFriede » September 20th, 2018, 10:23 pm

Ok, so I have played Metal Gear Solid 1 - 4. I just watched a 3 hour super cut of Peace Walker. I am about to play Ground Zeros/5.

Call me crazy, but I think I am noticing an anti-war theme.

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http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Siege_of_Vraks

What is more autistic, the effort it took to write this or the dedication for me to read it?

I'd say the latter, because the former took a great deal of effort and research, but it's also a short novel's worth of text summarizing a fictional Super-WW1.

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Postby TheodoricFriede » September 21st, 2018, 1:23 am

Oh wow, didn't they charge like $40 dollars for Ground Zeroes?

I knew it was short, but wow, no wonder people were furious.

The fact that this was anything other then a demo is inexcusable.

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Postby TheodoricFriede » September 21st, 2018, 3:51 am

Uh...Metal Gear Solid 5 isn't a Metal Gear game...

It doesn't fit the tone, it doesn't fit the style, they had to pay Keefer Sutherland, so there is almost no dialog from Snake.

What the hell?

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Postby TTTX » September 21st, 2018, 9:15 am

TheodoricFriede wrote:Ok, so I have played Metal Gear Solid 1 - 4. I just watched a 3 hour super cut of Peace Walker. I am about to play Ground Zeros/5.

Call me crazy, but I think I am noticing an anti-war theme.

Took you long enough.

TheodoricFriede wrote:Oh wow, didn't they charge like $40 dollars for Ground Zeroes?

I knew it was short, but wow, no wonder people were furious.

The fact that this was anything other then a demo is inexcusable.

yep and Blame Konami.

TheodoricFriede wrote:Uh...Metal Gear Solid 5 isn't a Metal Gear game...

It doesn't fit the tone, it doesn't fit the style, they had to pay Keefer Sutherland, so there is almost no dialog from Snake.

What the hell?

it's unfinished and yeah a lot of people were not happy with Keefer (and it doesn't help he doesn't speak a lot) taking over for David and the worst part it doesn't make sense it would have if the voice change while Boss was in the coma.
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Postby Mazder » September 21st, 2018, 10:27 am

TTTX wrote:yep and Blame Konami.

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Postby Alienmorph » September 21st, 2018, 6:03 pm

So apparently Telltale Games is pretty much kaput: they have got a skeleton crew finishing the final season of The Walkin Dead, then thei're gonna file for bankrupcy and close shop.

Which sucks... I know they basically made just glorified visual novels, but it's going to be one less kind of game avaiable in a market that already often lacks in variety (indie and japan not counting).

My guess would be their homebrew engine fucked them over... that thing must have been a bitch to use for even the most basic task or porting, considering how hilariously outdated it was. Should have switched to Unity or Unengine when they still had the money to do it...

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Alienmorph wrote:My guess would be their homebrew engine fucked them over... that thing must have been a bitch to use for even the most basic task or porting, considering how hilariously outdated it was. Should have switched to Unity or Unengine when they still had the money to do it...


It's possible, but I think what hurt them the most is that they pretty much became a one-trick pony of a studio, and that unlike some other studios which focus on one genre, they never went beyond their original formula, and sometimes applied it to a material that absolutely did not work (ie the Game of Thrones game they released).

Alienmorph wrote:Palaven comes to mind. It's Earth-like in size, placed around its star's habitable zone, and has a moon big enough to hold an atmosphere.


I tried it, but sadly for lore reasons all of Menae's intel was marked as "classified", and my objective was to gain time by not having to create planets from scratch.

So I ended up using the Aysus system which is if memory serves the one where the mining asteroid from Leviathan is located. With a few modifications so as to make it a better exercise.

Anyway, now that the tenth-graders got their planets test, tomorrow is eye dissection with the eleventh-graders. Can't wait.

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Postby TTTX » September 22nd, 2018, 5:06 am

Alienmorph wrote:So apparently Telltale Games is pretty much kaput: they have got a skeleton crew finishing the final season of The Walkin Dead, then thei're gonna file for bankrupcy and close shop.

Which sucks... I know they basically made just glorified visual novels, but it's going to be one less kind of game avaiable in a market that already often lacks in variety (indie and japan not counting).

My guess would be their homebrew engine fucked them over... that thing must have been a bitch to use for even the most basic task or porting, considering how hilariously outdated it was. Should have switched to Unity or Unengine when they still had the money to do it...

aww damn that's sad.

Sinekein wrote:It's possible, but I think what hurt them the most is that they pretty much became a one-trick pony of a studio, and that unlike some other studios which focus on one genre, they never went beyond their original formula, and sometimes applied it to a material that absolutely did not work (ie the Game of Thrones game they released).

I actually liked the telltale Game of thrones....
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Postby TheodoricFriede » September 22nd, 2018, 5:14 am

MGS5 musings,

Ok the fact that i can get a running start and haymaker punch someone in the face with my robot arm while the Six-million Dollar Man sound plays?

Pretty good.

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Postby Sinekein » September 22nd, 2018, 6:33 am

I actually liked the telltale Game of thrones....


I was not talking about the actual quality of the story (but the fact that the Forresters were basically Starks 2.0 was a bit obvious).

But TWD works because they can do what they want with the story. The universe is so chaotic that Telltale can tell the story it wants, and they can also get rid of any character. In GOT, the antagonist of the first chapter is Ramsay freaking Bolton: how am I supposed to believe my characters have even the slightest chance of ending the story on top of him?

Since the GOT story ran in parallel to the show, there was little reason to care for the Forresters for me, because they' didn't matter, and because what I wasn't influencing was much more interesting (ie the main story of the show).

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Postby Someone With Mass » September 22nd, 2018, 6:44 am

Telltale Games's releases were always hit or miss for me or I'd watch them on YouTube. That said, when the game worked, it worked damn well.
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Postby TTTX » September 22nd, 2018, 7:50 am

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Postby Deano » September 22nd, 2018, 7:58 am

Alienmorph wrote:So apparently Telltale Games is pretty much kaput: they have got a skeleton crew finishing the final season of The Walkin Dead, then thei're gonna file for bankrupcy and close shop.

Which sucks... I know they basically made just glorified visual novels, but it's going to be one less kind of game avaiable in a market that already often lacks in variety (indie and japan not counting).

My guess would be their homebrew engine fucked them over... that thing must have been a bitch to use for even the most basic task or porting, considering how hilariously outdated it was. Should have switched to Unity or Unengine when they still had the money to do it...


They're staying to finish the Minecraft Story Series, due to a deal with Netflix. I imagine anyone who bought the season pass for the Walking Dead is going to lose that money.

They never really adapted, the engine most likely played a big part in that. I believe they only started changing to unity when the new CEO came in. Gross mismanagement seems to have been at that heart of it all, this is one of the reasons I stopped pursuing a career in the gaming industry.

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Postby Mazder » September 22nd, 2018, 10:25 am

Sinekein wrote:I tried it, but sadly for lore reasons all of Menae's intel was marked as "classified", and my objective was to gain time by not having to create planets from scratch.

So I ended up using the Aysus system which is if memory serves the one where the mining asteroid from Leviathan is located. With a few modifications so as to make it a better exercise.

Anyway, now that the tenth-graders got their planets test, tomorrow is eye dissection with the eleventh-graders. Can't wait.

Aysur.
Which doesn't have a earth-like planet with a moon.
In ME3 you go to an asteroid in that system for the Leviathan stuff.

If you still need a suggestion for a system I would put forth the Skepsis System in Mass Effect 2 and has the planet Watson and it's moon Franklin.
What's stranger is that apart from Sol this is the only system I have found that has a habitable planet AND a moon in Mass Effect 1 and 2. I basically stopped at the first fitting entry on this list of all nebulae and systems in all the games.

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