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Postby Dragaros » May 12th, 2019, 10:47 pm

So. Game of Thrones.


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Postby TheodoricFriede » May 12th, 2019, 10:54 pm

Dragaros wrote:So. Game of Thrones.


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I stopped watching years ago because the show got stupid in its grimdark predictability.

But this is the first thing I have heard in YEARS that has ever gotten me excited about that show.

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Nigga wut? That's the outcomes of all those characters arcs?

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Postby Raga » May 13th, 2019, 1:59 am

I've always thought the Daenerys fan thing was weird. Literally in book 1 she's okay with unleashing her prophesied son, who is supposed to be the leader of the biggest murder pillage rape horde in the history of the world, on everybody. And everyone is just bizarrely okay with this. I was always happy that lamb woman witch murdered the piss out of her unborn child.

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Postby Sinekein » May 13th, 2019, 7:29 am

This episode was very good, but is undermined by how fucking horrible the previous one was.

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Still, there was some great stuff.

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That could have been the greatest episode in the entire show, if episode 4 had not been such a wreck.

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Postby Sinekein » May 13th, 2019, 11:20 am

And to talk about another TV show whose most recent season is superior to the previous ones: Lucifer.

The new Netflix format suits the show incredibly well, mainly for two reasons:

- since it is shorter (10 episodes), there is absolutely no padding/timewasting anymore, and while it still alternates between police procedural and supernatural story, the latter part feels much better with no character getting away from the spotlight for entire episodes because their personal arc is too stretched.

- now there is no more restriction on, let's say "adult topics" overall. Nudity, violence or swearing is not necessary and can easily be overplayed, but for a show about the titular Devil, there is a base requirement which is now very well fulfilled without even being that "in your face". So basically, it's sexier, bloodier and has a fouler mouth, but in a good way.

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Postby Vol » May 13th, 2019, 1:14 pm

Raga wrote:I've always thought the Daenerys fan thing was weird. Literally in book 1 she's okay with unleashing her prophesied son, who is supposed to be the leader of the biggest murder pillage rape horde in the history of the world, on everybody. And everyone is just bizarrely okay with this. I was always happy that lamb woman witch murdered the piss out of her unborn child.

It seems to be a result of the way the show portrays her and Cersei, "yaaaas slay queen!" I remember being very confused during the earlier seasons when people weren't grasping that Cersei was a monster. In the books, Dany's a naive child, who knows nothing but the shit Viserys was telling her, and the various nobles who strung them along, and that brief moment of happiness living in Braavos in the house with the red door. So it made sense that when given a taste of power and a kind of love from Drogos, she embraced it. Yeah, she was gonna give birth to Essos Genghis Khan, but in context, it's portrayed as her blossoming into a real person while her brother descends into a beast, so the literal implications are not emphasized. We get a taste with the Lamb people and how the dothraki are, in fact, horrible, but then there's Dany, being the voice of morality to try and turn them away. Then it's all about her and her struggle with losing Drogo and how tragic her fate is going to be, then the old lady being "ungrateful" to her savior, then the first hint of Dany's madness when she burns her alive. Keeping in mind she's barely had her first period when we meet her.

I don't remember quite how the show portrayed all that, but I'm going to assume it was with an even gentler brush.

@Sine: The loss of Dany's POV and the time to watch her work through her life didn't help.
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Postby Raga » May 13th, 2019, 1:49 pm

Vol wrote:I remember being very confused during the earlier seasons when people weren't grasping that Cersei was a monster.


This was a thing? By the end of episode one of season one she's already established as a brother fucker willing to condone the murder of children to cover up her perversions. I don't understand people.

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Yea, yea, I hate Daenerys' guts and always have done, if that wasn't obvious. I can somewhat concede that given her past she can't really help what she is, but then neither can her dragons. And her dragons are still what they are, dangerous magical monsters, and you have to respond to them accordingly.
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Postby magnuskn » May 13th, 2019, 1:53 pm

So. Saw the episode. It's masterfully directed, that's for sure and looks visually impressive as hell. There are a lot of good character moments for the Hound. If I ever write my novel, I'll likely try to incorporate a villain as joyfully evil about whatever he does as Euron.

HowEVER.

Dany gets completely character assassinated. So does Grey Worm. So does Tyrion. So does Jaime. So does Jon. So does Varys. So does Arya. But, of course, the worst is done to Dany. This is an "Anakin Skywalker falls to the dark side in an instant in Revenge of the Sith and immediately starts murdering younglings" next level of shit writing. She went from a 10 to a 100 and there was no justification for this.

Yeah, there was a drop in plot consistency and characterization after the writers got completely done with GRRM's source material. But this is some next level of shit writing and will haunt the series legacy forever. Man, oh man, did I not want another Mass Effect 3 situation to occur, but here we are. Again.

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Postby Vol » May 13th, 2019, 2:21 pm

Raga wrote:@ Dany stuff

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Yea, yea, I hate Daenerys' guts and always have done, if that wasn't obvious. I can somewhat concede that given her past she can't really help what she is, but then neither can her dragons. And her dragons are still what they are, dangerous magical monsters, and you have to respond to them accordingly.

I never hated her per se, I disliked the disconnect between my interpretation and the popular one. But around the time that we get an update on how Astapor is going after Dany "breaks the chains" was when I became fairly sure of how her arc was going to go. Not the particulars, but where she would or not be at the end. Then Meereen reinforces it.

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Postby Alienmorph » May 13th, 2019, 2:49 pm

Look at the bright side. At least none of you named their daughters Daenerys... unlike a weird amount of GoT fans who got waaay too much into her did.

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Postby Raga » May 13th, 2019, 3:07 pm

The one that always got me was "Khaleesi." Which to start with is just an ugly sounding word that makes for an unfortunate name.

But even leaving that aside for meaning, the meaning is...the brood mare for Attila the Hun who deigns to have sex with you only by pushing your face into the dirt first. Yea...totally want to name my daughter that.

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Postby Alienmorph » May 13th, 2019, 3:53 pm

It's probably the same kind of people who saw Edward "watching Bella while she sleeps" as romantic. Only that now, instead of fucking an emo vampire, they dream of becoming the breeding bitch of a barbarian king.

I mean... to each their own, I know guys who have that fantasy too for that matter lol

But calling your daughter after something that reminds you of that? Yeah, that's kinda weird at best and messed-up at worst... it'd be like if I wanted to call my first daughter Zone-Tan, or something...

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@Dany stuff: I think what happened made perfect sense from a Doylist point of view, knowing Martin's personality.

His main decisions since the series started have been to go against every trope and cliché of medieval fantasy literature. As such, he could not have Dany actually be "The Chosen Onee who will bring peace to the realm". Just like (I bet) Jon is not going to be it either, because the heroic bastard with a royal secret has also been done to death. He couldn't have supreme assassin Arya complete her training by getting the realm rid of Cersei. He couldn't have Jaime completing his redemption arc and dying in heroic fashion in a selfless act, or finding healthy love.

I assume that Tyrion is going to get the axe too, if only because of the poetic justice of having the House whose ruthlessness and ability to eradicate its foes was put into song, being eradicated itself. Plus the "cliché" ending would be him and his newfound wisdom being a benevolent Hand of the King to whoever is on the throne.

Also, I assume that the books' title refers to that finale. Except that while people expected it to mean something about Jon and Dany being the two leads, it might represent the battle against the WW, and the sacking of King's Landing.

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Postby Sinekein » May 15th, 2019, 7:47 am

Something that occurred to me in light of the most recent GOT episode is that there seems to be a trend that characters who order executions for "justice" don't end well.

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Sinekein wrote:Something that occurred to me in light of the most recent GOT episode is that there seems to be a trend that characters who order executions for "justice" don't end well.

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I doubt it's a direct intention on the part of the author, and more a trend driven by the fact that characters more likely to execute "for justice" are more likely to care about justice in general, and thus, more likely to meddle or otherwise insist on telling the truth or whatever. If the Cersei's of the world can't bribe, blackmail, or intimidate the do-gooders into compliance, they resort to murder.

The other group who consistently die are the "mad dog" characters who are motivated by love of carnage or some mania or other, the ones who love mayhem for the sake of mayhem. Sometimes they last a season/book or two, but they pretty much inevitably end up pushing up daisies.

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Basically, the ones who die are the ones who refuse to play the Game for whatever reason, who consider themselves above it for reasons of principle or who think they can resist it through sheer strength of arms or willpower.

There's a few lucky ones (Sansa, Jon Snow), but most of the ones still alive are alive because they play.

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Postby Vol » May 15th, 2019, 10:49 pm

Funny thing is, book Euron is the hard opposite of chaos. He's into politics and diplomacy and not a swaggering pirate with a magical scorpion. Plus from a Winds of Winter released bit
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So that replacement with show Euron, who I enjoy on the level, makes me wonder what his actual role is meant to be. We leave him sending his half-retard brother to go pick up Dany and bind a dragon with his magic Valyrian horn, and bring them all back to Westoros. That seems the most likely way for her to get out of Meereen with whatever forces she has left after the siege finishes.

But that doesn't work with the show, since he pledges to Cersei there, and has his teleporting fleet. The theory I buy is that Aegon (Blackfyre) is going to depose Cersei, since logistics and politics are roughly kept into account in the books. Then Dany rolls in, Euron is her navy, and that in turn reinforces what just happened in the show, since she's coming in with a horde of Huns, vikings, eunuchs, and flying artillery. She'll also not need to go to Winterfell, since that place is under a dozen plus feet of snow as of Stannis' siege, and a cavalry army would be useless. Whereas Aegon seems like he's an earnest, well trained young man who's biggest flaw is bravado and valuing loyalty over realpolitik. Varys would never link up with her as a result as well, he's all in on Aegon.

This is fun, trying to piece together what aught happen to hit the same beats, given totally variant situations.

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The John Wick team have their act together, because once again they knocked it out of the park. The movie ends with a very blatant sequel hook, and some people were not okay with that, that they wanted this to be a trilogy. When I saw the sequel hook, my only thought is that I feel blessed that cinema is going to get at least one more entry of this masterclass action series.

They were crazy enough to get alumni from The Raid, an Indonesian martial arts film series, and unlike in The Force Awakens, they were not wasted in this film. Parabellum was on high-octane, and it's not a bad thing at all when the action and cinematography is this well-done. There was some critique about Chapter 2's gunfights being too similar, and while I understand the grievance, I didn't feel like it was a problem. Parabellum absolutely had a much greater variety in its fight scenes, with a lot more attention given to hand-to-hand, and it gets deliciously grizzly. The setpieces are quite-varied, and only the final big-shootout is the most like the gunfights we've come to expect from the series. I also appreciate that John isn't the only assassin in the movie that really delivers a good fight, Halle Berry and Mark Dacascos both did stellar fight scenes.

I am happy for this series, and it's popularity should be a lesson on how to do a better action film.

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