Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

[Raga]

Taking Sex Differences in Personality Seriously

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Telling me to shut up is not a refutation coward. Don't worry I'll be waiting here when you're finally forced to realize that the far left isn't popular.

You refute yourself, dumbass.

I did the thing that you always accuse me of, by posting a 3rd party, neutral party's findings on trump's tax plan and how it fucks us and you just said NUH UH like a fucking child.

I do that quite a bit, post up some actual facts and you just shit on it because you cannot accept that you're wrong.

And you keep saying that the left isn't popular, that trump is gaining in support, that impeachment isn't popular. That's funny. Every word you say is wrong.

Uh huh. That Representative from New Jersey is defecting because Impeachment is super popular right. He's going Republican because it's super duper a winning idea.

The Democrats are falling apart Almost every day I praise the existence of people like AoC. Far Left Nutjobs who have done so much good in hamstringing that entire party. Enjoy getting fucked at the ballot box. You're going to deserve it.

[Mobius_118]

Keep pissing yourself in private, you gaslighting shitbag. Actual polls support everything you hate, which is Democracy. The only way the GOP wins in any of this is by cheating. Gerrymandering,voter purging, and voter fraud are the tools of those who fear actual representative government.

That's something you've been supporting you fraud.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Uh huh. The only way you can lose is by cheating and the only way you've ever lost is by cheating.

Nice little world view you have. Really easy way to abdicate responsibility.

[Mobius_118]

Not really abdicating responsibility when it's true.

I can pull up more cases of GOP election fraud, but you'll ignore it because you're a troll. Not a very good one, at that.

[Raga]

Linked in the article I posted above, but I've been reading this long interchange between some very "it's a social construct" oriented scientists and some "it's biological" oriented scientists on behavioral sex differences. Really long but interesting:

Nuerogenderings: Eight Things You Need to Know About Sex, Gender, Brains, and Behavior: A Guide for Academics, Journalists, Parents, Gender Diversity Advocates, Social Justice Warriors, Tweeters, Facebookers, and Everyone Else

Sex Differences in Brain and Behavior: Eight Counterpoints
Disagreements and agreements on the origins of human sex differences

Responding to Ideas on Sex Differences in Brain and Behavior
Agreements, ghost disagreements, and points for continued debate.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Not really abdicating responsibility when it's true.

I can pull up more cases of GOP election fraud, but you'll ignore it because you're a troll. Not a very good one, at that.

Uh huh. Sure it is. Just them too. Nobody else has eeeeeever used underhanded means. Nope not a one. Not a single solitary one.

You realize both parties are shit right? Have been for decades. Probably ever since we started them reason why Washington warned about them.

I'd never once voted Republican before 2016. Actually voted for Barry back in 2012 because at the time I believed Romney was worse. He wasn't they were about the same. The Republican party is filled with aging neocons and Populists.

The Democratic party is filled with Aging Neolibs, far left crazies, and the occasional Union Democrat though those are starting to edge towards Trump considering 2016.

The Republicans were forced to accept their Populist revolt to win. The Democrats backed a Corporate hag and suffered for it. Their unfortunate position is THEIR energized populist group is filled with Socialists. A type that will not win a General but plays *VERY* well in a Primary. You don't give a shit about any of this though because your damaged mind has been squealing ORANGE MAN BAD ELEPHANT MEN BAD for so long that you believe it wholeheartedly.

There is no ambiguity to your world view. You are a beacon of righteousness those you support are without major flaw. You've made a religion of your politics and *THAT* is fucking sad.

[Mobius_118]

Yeah I'm not going to apologize for voting for the better party. One backed up by reality.

You, on the other hand, need to pipe down. You're talking like your lord and master.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Yeah I'm not going to apologize for voting for the better party. One backed up by reality.

You, on the other hand, need to pipe down. You're talking like your lord and master.

Yes. The "Better party". The one that advocates for health care for illegals, the one that want to raise taxes, the one that is rife with socialists and insane racial ideologues, That's most CERTAINLY the right path.

You can't see *ANYTHING* wrong with your precious party because you're religiously devoted to it. It's pathetic. You're one of the most openly hateful people I've ever met. Anyone who falls outside your ideology is an enemy to be destroyed. There is no compassion in your heart, no willingness to listen and maybe change your mind. You're a bad person Mobius. You have a very ugly heart.

[Mobius_118]

Huh, that's funny. They said the same shit back when FDR put out the New Deal that lead the US to a shining age of industrialization and modernization.

You always throw out that buzzword to scare people, but you're just a pussy that can't handle truth. And, if following the Constitution is too much for you, why don't you move to a country where your ideals are more upheld. I heard North Korea is good for pieces of shit like you.

And I do hold Democrats accountable. It's a shame that very same Constitution that your boy wants to shred has Amendments that apply to undocumented immigrants as well. Do not argue this, you will lose. Concerning Democrats who do shady shit, well...John Edwards had an extramarital affair and was forced to resign.

Trump had an extramarital affair, paid 130K to keep it quiet, and his supporters were mum on it. You fail to hold your own shit accountable, GAC. Once again you're accusing me of something that you are guilty of.

Quit gaslighting, you piece of trash.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Steady on Mobius. Carry that righteous torch. Your religion will keep you warm in the cold nights of literally super mega hitler's second term.

Also they're illegal. Not just "Undocumented" We have a border they commit a crime by crossing it illegally.

[Mobius_118]

The rule of law is nothing to you, then.

You won't hold your boy accountable while decrying everyone else. Fucking hypocrite.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

The rule of law is nothing to you, then.

You won't hold your boy accountable while decrying everyone else. Fucking hypocrite.

Blah blah blah. You're getting tiresome Mobius. Same frothing outrage. Same dodges. Same things to ignore consistently. You don't have anything, you've never had anything and if even a quarter of the insane shit you believed was true actually was your arch nemesis evil mega hitler wouldn't have been elected.

That he was should have given you some pause. But it didn't. You buy every media narrative. You're a bad person and I'm done interacting with you further. Enjoy losing 2020. You deserve it.

[Mobius_118]

The nation elected Reagan, who introduced trickle-down economics and busted unions, basically allowing corporate entities to run roughshod over the workforce and plunder Social Security.

The US has it's moments of good and moments of pure stupidity. This is one of the more distilled forms of stupidity. You are the perfect example of this, ignoring every single one of trump's failings in favor of trashing everyone else. Then you go and ignore the actual law in favor of...

Blah blah blah. Same frothing outrage. Same dodges. Same things to ignore consistently.

That he was should have given you some pause. But it didn't. You buy every media narrative. You're a bad person and I'm done interacting with you further. Enjoy losing 2020. You deserve it.

I couldn't have said it better myself. You're a fraud, a fake, a hypocrite, and you should walk away.

Fuck, you're ignoring the Constitution because it's inconvenient for your narrative. That's pathetic.

[Raga]

Started reading this:



It's a sort of psychosocial history of the concept of Satan as an entity. Pretty interesting.

[Vol]

Does it attempt to explain why an angel that was with God in all his glory could possibly feel the need to openly rebel and then do so, as some sort of metaphor for rejecting the perfection of a secular power? It sounds like that sort of book.

[Raga]

No it's more about the evolution of depictions of Satan from antiquity up through the Middle Ages. It's about how people talk about Satan and use the concept of Satan and and not really about anything theological in and of itself. It's principally a history book.

[Vol]

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/1 ... ler-086251

Not content with the usual state of lazy, passive malice in Congress, they intend to escalate it to also keeping the executive branch tied up in not doing any work, and then presumably the judiciary for having to deal with every little minutia of who can do what. The real litmus test is whether or not the GOP, being ball-less, will sally to repay this nonsense when the next Democrat is in office.

(They won't, but the favor will not be repaid when a bland, minority-loving neocon wins)

Also I don't know what red pill and black pill guys actually refer to, I assume that's some MRA bullshit, but from the description I'd say what most of them deserve is to be put in a bag with some heavy stones and thrown into the sea, jeez. Are those the only options or is it still possible to be a healthy human being nowadays?

In short, it's a Matrix reference that became it's own categorization system. You have the gender relations red/blue/black/whatever pills that are focused on dating and sex and how to attract women. Then you have the political version, which generally correlates to the gender version, but not always.

Gender pills:
Red - Women want bold, aggressive, muscular, funny, etc., guys, here's how you can be like that and also psychological tricks based on pseudoscience for how to dupe them into fucking you. Also has a component of traditional gender role lifestyle, but not as prevalent as the chase. MRAs are here, it's a mildly positive mindset, you _can_ overcome the handicaps of nature/society. I wouldn't call this misogynistic per se, because of that attitude.

Black - Women want those alpha males, and you are not it and can never become one, and male/female relations can be boiled down to simple, primitive truths that leave swathes of men without any hope of companionship. Lots of opining on the nature of women, such as "alpha fucks, beta bucks," and modern culture. Nihilism and cynicism, this is where incels are. Lot of hatred and pining for intimacy, more than sex. Seems decently common that the least gruesome of these guys do in fact hire a hooker, but (obviously) get no fulfillment out of it, and double down. Dislike red pill guys for acting like clowns to get pussy.

Blue - "Normal" people. Believe whatever the baseline view on gender relations and roles are. Which would be some radical feminism from the top tempered by colloquial beliefs among peers, I guess. Generally portrayed by the red/black pill guys as pathetic losers, white knights, soyboys, cuck, the usual cornucopia of male-shaming insults. Would largely be guys who don't care or don't know about internet philosophers.

Political pills:
Red - /r/the_donald is the best example. Being aware of "truths," such as the media being biased liars, academia being full of biased liars, Hollywood being full of propagandists, global elites being pedophile monsters, vague civic nationalism (MAGA), that sort of thing. Big emphasis on not rocking the boat when it comes to identity politics. Believe in voting and process and pointing out hypocrisies of their opponents. Shapiro, Peterson, Crowder, Sargon, those sorts, even if they don't identify by it.

Black - Nihilism and cynicism, but with a violent edge. Longing more than action, since presumably these guys are on watchlists and not more content to talk than act anyway. A lot of the red pill beliefs taken to the next level. World's fucked, only bloodshed will fix it, democratic republics are incapable of dealing with current troubles because of greater powers. Red pill guys are cucks. Jews are the true enemy, mass immigration is white genocide, that sort of thing. Oddly enough, encourages more self-improvement than the red pill, from what I've seen, in a reversal of the gender version. Lots of classical reading, as well as controversial modern books, working out, armed yourself, prepare for the next war.

Blue - Average person/Democrat. Doesn't get used much as a term, since it encompasses most people without delineation. The enemy, basically.

It's all fascinating to me, really. Beyond the stupid Matrix reference. But you can see the parallel in the gender and political version, as well as the notable contrast. But it's also not 1:1, plenty of PUAs probably vote Democrat, and vice-versa.

[Mobius_118]

Sounds like people trying to explain why they suck at getting a girlfriend and trying to explain why their random outbursts of racism/sexism come from political positions.

[Mazder]

Sounds like people trying to explain why they suck at getting a girlfriend and trying to explain why their random outbursts of racism/sexism come from political positions.

Yeah.

I mean, from the "internet language" bullshit I "technically" should be an incel manbaby that is screaming racism and hatred of literally everyone and then demanding why no-one likes me and blaming it all on other people.

In reality I know it's my own fault and choices that affect my outcomes rather than this weird climate of "betas/alphas/whatever bollocks".

I think people need to go out and interact a little more. Being a shut-in really doesn't help a person in the long run
Even introverts need to get out once in a while to find their own boundaries.

[Sinekein]

Blue - "Normal" people. Believe whatever the baseline view on gender relations and roles are. Which would be some radical feminism from the top tempered by colloquial beliefs among peers, I guess. Generally portrayed by the red/black pill guys as pathetic losers, white knights, soyboys, cuck, the usual cornucopia of male-shaming insults. Would largely be guys who don't care or don't know about internet philosophers.

Oh so the red and black pill assholes think themselves as philosophers now?

It's nice to see that the options for these turds are either pick-up artist, incel, or being emasculated. What a healthy and positive worldview.

But I guess the best thing is that their genes are going to die in the mountains of tissues right of their computer screen. The culture might persist because it's much easier to be a hateful loser thann to give basic human decency a shot, but their DNA won't.

It's all fascinating to me, really. Beyond the stupid Matrix reference. But you can see the parallel in the gender and political version, as well as the notable contrast. But it's also not 1:1, plenty of PUAs probably vote Democrat, and vice-versa.

I hope that there are at least a couple of decent human beings in the GOP yeah, because if the 40%+ that voted for Trump - and who were male in majority, as women lean more on the Dem side - all belong to either of those groups of cunts, I'd say the future of the US is unbelievably grim (and even worse for women).

[TheodoricFriede]

Anyone who has ever referred to themselves as a pill is a teeny tiny portion of the population.

I'm not even remotely concerned.

[Mobius_118]

Meme-lords, trolls, and "woke libertarians" that say 2+2=5 and everyone else is wrong.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Vol left the White Pill out of his political pills.

The White Pill is generally a state of mind people arrive at after going heavy into either political Red or Black Pill thinking and is generally focused around a determination to better ones self and community and to let the world roll the dice it may. Some people have stronger religious sentiments at this point and call it the "God" pill but religious reawakening is not a factor of every case.

[Mobius_118]

That's 4chan level stupidity. Right up there with Sovereign Citizen shenanigans.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

...People deciding to focus on bettering themselves and improving their local community is stupidity?

That's an interesting perspective even for you.

[Mobius_118]

It's MRA, weaponized autism bullshit. "Oh I'm a red pill. I chose to look deeper than those blue pill plebs." Then that same person goes off about chemtrails, women are for breeding only, Obama is a Muslim, and how the Constitution is a scam.

I had a few soldiers like that back in the Active Duty days. This pill categorization is a cop-out, absolving of responsibility if there's any miscommunication. Like "I'm an Aries, so clearly I'm hot headed and stubborn."

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I actually have an unrelated question for you Mobius. Something I've wondered for a while but haven't actually asked yet.

Which candidate are you supporting in the 2020 election. I know it's going to be one of the Dems but I'm curious which one. They've still got a rather crowded field.

Are you going to be looking at them pragmatically or by your values first?

[Mobius_118]

Pragmatically, like I did every election I've voted in.

Contrary to your spittle-laced rants, I do look at every candidate before voting. So far, I'm rooting for Amy Klobuchar from Minnesota. The woman has done great things to keep Minnesota in the top 3 best states overall. Pete Buttigieg and Elizabeth Warren make up my second and third choices.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Pragmatically, like I did every election I've voted in.

Contrary to your spittle-laced rants, I do look at every candidate before voting. So far, I'm rooting for Amy Klobuchar from Minnesota. The woman has done great things to keep Minnesota in the top 3 best states overall. Pete Buttigieg and Elizabeth Warren make up my second and third choices.

I think it's nice that you had to throw some insults in to a completely civil question.

Should none of those choices be the candidate and some of them like Klobuchar are rather into the dark horse candidate category now not make it to nominee would you vote for who the DNC chooses which looks somehow like being Biden despite his incredible propensity for gaffs?

IS there a Democratic candidate in the running that you would not vote for?

[Mobius_118]

Well Joe Biden, for one. He's not going to help this nation adapt to the crap trump dumped on us as effectively as the others. And with Conservatives going off about how he's creepy because trump said so despite trump publicly on national TV that he'd fuck his daughter, he's not going to make very good headway.

Not that it'll matter. Getting rid of Mitch McConnell has to be another goal, since he's been the only thing protecting trump from having the Constitution dropped on him like a piano.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Well Joe Biden, for one. He's not going to help this nation adapt to the crap trump dumped on us as effectively as the others. And with Conservatives going off about how he's creepy because trump said so despite trump publicly on national TV that he'd fuck his daughter, he's not going to make very good headway.

Not that it'll matter. Getting rid of Mitch McConnell has to be another goal, since he's been the only thing protecting trump from having the Constitution dropped on him like a piano.

Now I know you're absolutely certain in your victory come November or his removal before then. But in the event that the democratic nominee in 2020 loses what will you do from there. You'll be faced with the prospect of 4 more years of your opposition in power.

[Mobius_118]

Grin and bear it, like I did when Bush was president. At least then I didn't have to worry about Bush being a traitor, just...easily led by domestic influences.

Now? The con is breaking laws that the GOP wouldn't tolerate from anyone else at a 10th of the intensity. Constitution is getting violated and walked all over by the current administration while his supporters cheer him on. Trump is owned by his buddies, the investigations have shown that he is owned by the Russians. Everything he has done has been for the benefit of the rich, nothing for the rest of us. And the lies are constant.

He might win, but he's going to have to flee the country for the rest of his life. He loses, and he has to flee the country. Either way he's poisoned the nation. We're turning more and more into a third-world country because of that fat fool.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I see. Thank you for mostly dropping character for a moment to answer that. It does put a few things into a clearer picture. Feel free to insult this post as you wish.

[Mobius_118]

For once you're not shitting on the Constitution and the law, so...

Carry on.

[Vol]

Today's the impeachment vote. So far, same shit as every other House event about it. Same speeches, same people. Honestly, yeah, it's theatre for the Democrat base, a black mark on Trump to use as campaign material for 2020. Only reason to bother, since he'll be quickly acquitted in the Senate.

A glance at the /pol/ thread on the hearing, the Dems have apparently called 0 white men to speak, and the GOP has only called them. If that's actually true (Their definition does not include Jews as white, because of course they don't, of which there has been 5), it's kind of funny, given their presumed front runner is Biden.

A glance at Twitter shows, that to the surprise of none, a great many believe Mike Pence will be president after today, and then he too will be impeached because of some new implication Schiff is pushing.

So that's both poles of the partisan divide, I am official informed now.

Oh wait, GOP called a woman. Inclusive!

[Mobius_118]

I like how one of the GOP reps wailed about how the House Democrats are trying to go against the will of the people, all 62,984,828 of them.

Last I checked, Clinton's 65,853,514 is more than trump's 62,984,828, but I digress. I have seen the GOP do stupid, absolute braindead things to get their way and stay in power, but this is just embarrassing. They need to get voted out and replaced, they have no integrity left.

The GOP blocked witnesses from testifying, intimidated witnesses, tampered with and destroyed evidence...Anyone else would've been metaphorically crucified on the stand.

[Raga]

Are there limits to the rights revolution?

On how far Democrats should ethically and strategically push the issue of transgenderism. I think this article misframes the debate. It puts it chiefly in the framework of "should we focus wholesale on this even if it's unpopular or should we sideline it and focus on getting rid of Trump?" The question is more like "should we focus on common sense accommodations for transgender people that most people would agree on or should we pursue a radical endorsement of wholesale queer theory that stigmatizes and tries to exterminate all public displays of disagreement with it?"

[Vol]

People who the Founders explicitly did not grant enfranchisement to, and would have loathed politically, then citing them as their spirit animals, is a poignant way of explaining how politics work to a child.

Oh God, now Schiff is here and jerking himself off. "If what Trump did isn't impeachable, nothing is." Surely a line to be immortalized. "Donald J Trump sacrificed our national security in order to cheat in an election." Hmmmm, I don't think that's true.

@Raga: You make it sound as if they have a choice. They're married to the queer lobby, there is no stopping or rejecting the grotesqueness, they can only ignore it. Empathy is a sledgehammer, you swing and shatter, there is no selective target.

"Look at these poor, tortured souls, they so badly need government to protect them legally, financially, but also we don't want children being sterilized and used as medical experiments by their parents."

Is not possible when your loudest supporters are drowned in blind, tribal empathy and hate.

[Raga]

@Raga: You make it sound as if they have a choice. They're married to the queer lobby, there is no stopping or rejecting the grotesqueness, they can only ignore it. Empathy is a sledgehammer, you swing and shatter, there is no selective target.

"Look at these poor, tortured souls, they so badly need government to protect them legally, financially, but also we don't want children being sterilized and used as medical experiments by their parents."

Is not possible when your loudest supporters are drowned in blind, tribal empathy and hate.

Sure, but then either question is completely inane and there's no point even asking questions about it. If it's possible to put it aside as a matter of political expediency, then it's possible to put it aside for the far superior reason that it's batshit crazy. If it's impossible to set aside than no reason will suit.

[Sinekein]

Geez, it's not like people are trying to force you to change gender. "Queer lobby", "exterminate all public displays", listening to you every American is at risk of getting buttfucked right in the middle of the street while wearing high heels.

The article is about Trump attacking transgender rights of...well, living normal lives, and you wonder whether they deserve it or not. Empathy might be a sledgehammer among some people, but for you it looks more like a toothpick dimension-wise. You aren't gonna damage anything with it.

[Raga]

Anyone who has ever referred to themselves as a pill is a teeny tiny portion of the population.

I'm not even remotely concerned.

From just a cursory look at membership numbers on several subreddits, the number of Red Pillists is almost exactly even with the number of unironic old school Marxists. That's just one website obviously and doesn't cover people who are sympathetic to either category without actually posting, but still.

[Raga]

exterminate all public displays

What else would you call it when activists are:

1) pushing for the passage of the Equality Act which elevates "gender identity" to an equal level of protection in law as race
2) advocating for a robust legal and cultural redefinition of free speech to explicitly outlaw hate speech
3) insisting that misgendering, deadnaming, or statements insisting that biological sex is a more meaningful (and unchanging) way of understanding human nature and behavior than gender are all examples of hate speech
4) pushing to erode religious freedom protections specifically so they cannot be used as a tool of resistance against 1-3

I don't know how else to interpret that. I'm just inclined to believe them when they say this stuff.

To be clear, I don't actually think the vast bulk of people who support trans rights (including most trans people) actually want this. This level of radical thought is almost explicitly limited to a group of militant queer theory academics and activists.

To go back to the article, the question to me is "how much should Democrats listen to the sensible bulk of people who want to accommodate trans people vs how much they should listen to a bunch of crackpots who think the very concept of the gender binary is a form of oppression."

[Sinekein]

I interpret that as butthurt conservative Christians whining that they don't get to be the absolute authority on morality and how people should live their lives anymore. And they can't suffer being denied that moral superiority. Seriously, 1 and 2 sound perfectly normal to me. 3 and 4 sound like an insanely fringe opinion of what is already a minority - LGBT activists.

As per usual they use a tiny minority of lunatics to frame trans rights supporters as a bunch of crazies who secretly want to emasculate the good ol' American male. Same old trick they used with feminists. And they still get a lot of "not-actually-transphobic-but-I'm-gonna-debate-at-length-about-that-tiny-minority-to-do-the-conservatives'-heavy-lifting" useful idiots to speak their gospel without ever admitting that what they do is actively screwing over the lives of many trans people who would like to live a simple, normal life and aren't advocating for some anti-binary nonsense.

[TheodoricFriede]

Geez, it's not like people are trying to force you to change gender. "Queer lobby", "exterminate all public displays", listening to you every American is at risk of getting buttfucked right in the middle of the street while wearing high heels.

The article is about Trump attacking transgender rights of...well, living normal lives, and you wonder whether they deserve it or not. Empathy might be a sledgehammer among some people, but for you it looks more like a toothpick dimension-wise. You aren't gonna damage anything with it.

Its more a risk of parents being seen as abusive if, say, their 10 year old decided that they want to transition to the opposite gender, and the parents would prefer if their child made the decision after they reach adulthood.

Or perhaps the idea that gender is a social construct is all but forced on the scientific world, even though we can literally see differences in brain structure.

I dont have issue with transgender people. I will call them whatever they want to be called, and treat them as whatever they want to be treated as. They can piss in whatever bathroom they feel is suitable as far as I'm concerned.Transgender and gay people deserve all the rights of the average US citizen.

They do not deserve the right to tell other people how to live their lives or view their views.

[Sinekein]

10 year old is a bit extreme as it's before puberty. But I've seen trans teens whose parents are in complete denial of their nature and...yeah, that's kinda abusive, like the parents who refuse to admit that their kid is gay. If there is no law whatsoever, then it leads to conversion therapies and other horrors like this.

Also, the parents who "prefer" that the decision be made after their children reach adulthood, in many cases, are just waiting until they can kick them out without having to be responsible for what happens - because once the kid is an adult, you can dump him out of your home and you won't be accused of mistreating them.

Ensuring that such situations happen as rarely as possible sounds like a wise move to me. I have never heard of "transgender" being a phase, like being a goth or a K-Pop fan, so if a kid is seriously questioning his identity, it's not to bother his parents or to look interesting.

[Raga]

From GLAAD, which is the most militant non-fringe or trivial advocacy group for this stuff that I'm aware of:

"College campuses must do more to protect marginalized students from oppressive hate speech while also protecting the First Amendment rights of all students. In order to do this in the long term, the First Amendment must expand upon the Clear-and-Present Danger standard of jurisprudence to include mental, psychological, or social harm against minority groups that directly correlates with physical harm and suicidal behavior.

According to the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), the First Amendment “protects speech no matter how offensive its content.” With this important liberty in mind, we have a responsibility to foster a positive learning environment for all students. In order to do so, we must investigate and address the clear and present danger hate speech poses to marginalized people in an educational setting."

In translation, I take this to mean something like:

"Transgender people are statistically way more likely to commit suicide or harm themselves than non transgender people. A leading cause of their despair and emotional trauma is from society rejecting and failing to affirm their gender identity. As such, speech which heightens their sense of gender dysphoria is likely to contribute to the likelihood they will harm themselves. Therefore, such speech should fall under the category of Clear and Present Danger and should have legal limitations (at least) placed on it."

[Mobius_118]

There was the same fear in the military when Don't Ask, Don't Tell was repealed.

Turns out it was unfounded and perpetuated by my fellow dudebros who were afraid they'd get buttfucked in the shower, be forced to undergo gender-reassignment surgery, the enhanced sexual harassment training to tell people not to harass, assault, or rape people...

That last one is true. The altered SHARP training has been a little tedious, and the groans from the SM's shows that it's still a touchy subject.

You can't just plug your ears and hope the gays and transgenders go away, much to the GOP's dismay.

[Raga]

Also a note on GLAAD:

It's a go to place for journalists who want statements on trans issues. They are very much a major component of how discussions of trans issues get shaped in respectable, mainstream, credentialed places.

[Sinekein]

That's basically a cynical vs idealist way to deal with transphobia. If you are cynical - like GLAAD here - you consider that you'll have transphobic cunts no matter what, that hate speech will never disappear, so outlawing it is meaningless and you just have to try and make positive speech as widespread as possible. Idealists think that transphobia can disappear, and that you can outlaw the hateful words themselves as one of the processes to make it disappear.

I mean, are students allowed to call their black comrades "nigger" to their faces or not on campuses? Or to refer to them as "boy"? Or would a student doing that be liable to be prosecuted/expelled for racism?

Because that's kinda similar. It's just that many people don't think it's that big a deal to be transphobic.

And I'm not surprised if GLAAD are the go-to place for "moral responsibility", because they advocate for policies that are super-easy to swallow for those who don't really give a shit about trans rights (but like to pretend they do): they don't have to change a thing. But if suddenly they can't call a trans woman "he" anymore, then suddenly it's some kind of thought police at work.

It reminds me of the Democratic party and economics. GLAAD would be similar to how the right of the Democratic party is considered as "those who don't scare the market". Ie those who won't make radical changes to the way the economy is shaped if they are in charge. But the Sanders, AOC or Warrens are dangerous because they want to change the status quo and changing the status quo, no matter how bad it is, scares people.