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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Vol » February 2nd, 2021, 12:08 pm

Total Warhammer 3 soon, comrades. Teasers implied Khorne, then Tzeentch, then today, Nurgle and Slaanesh. With a special second teaser implying KISLEV.

@Sci: I was taught "O-namae wa nan desu ka?" to ask for someone's name. The more formal way, presumably, as that's how they teach it academically, and an "o" prefix gives more honor to the word. O-namae, o-sake, o-sushi, etc. Fun fact: Mount Fuji is referred to as "Fuji-sama," a more formal honorific.

As a man, you could say "Boku/Watashi/Ore no namae wa ____ desu." Watashi's the general, formal, boku and ore are more casual and masculine, as I understand it.

"Hajimemashite" is for first meetings only, on that note. The introduction we were taught was, "Hajimemashite. Watashi wa <name> desu. Douzo yoroshiku." Though this was for general meetings, neither too casual nor too formal. Perfect for a tourist!

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Ragabul » February 2nd, 2021, 2:42 pm

Vol wrote:That's a major bugaboo of mine, being expected to make strategic decisions without proper information. They all do it. XCOM, Total War, PoE, and it pisses me off every time. Do I want to stack missile resistance? Is mana a better investment than spell damage? Are strength abilities useful late game? Does dexterity scale way better? Do rules of logic apply to this monster, such that lightning might do extra damage because it's wet? Are all the dangerous end game enemies weak to blunt and super resistance to slash/pierce? Or are they all near magic immune? Is this class fundamentally useless? Is this ability a trap? Is economy or growth or military buildings more important? Yeah, you gain the information through trial and error, but that's not usually fun to be made a fool of.


See all of that just sounds like "Excel Spreadsheet: The Fantasy Adventure!" to me. Maybe what I want is just simply not something a video game can realistically provide, and I really need to go play pen and paper somewhere or play nothing but point and click type stuff with no combat. Still, I feel some games do a much better job of getting closer to what I am talking about than others. And, yes, being able to understand the system is definitely a consistent feature of the ones that get closer. I will go farther and say that you need to be able to *intuitively* grasp the system with at most an occasional reading of the codex and some trial and error. That's next to impossible to quantify because it's so subjective.

Another way to put it might be how the game answers the question "how do you solve this problem?" If the answer is "change what you are doing without fundamentally altering your character or party" it's much closer to what I want than if the answer is "reallocate your gear, spells, class, etc."

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby magnuskn » February 2nd, 2021, 4:14 pm

Deano wrote:
magnuskn wrote:It does enough damage to shatter most enemies frozen by the cryocannon immediately (for the big ones use the throwing axes) and fires really fast. I just wish the clip size would be bigger still...

In any case, it's also fast and precise enough to pick up glyphids which are too far away for the cryocannon to reach. As does the plasma gun, but as I said, I find the ammo capacity of that thing too low.


I just stuck with the flamer, I'll give that combo a try then.

What's your favourite mode? I really like the pipeline one, especially as the driller.


The cryogun really is a ton of fun, especially in a team. I'll be honest, I most like the dreadnought hunts, since they can be rather quick. :mrgreen:

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Postby Dragaros » February 2nd, 2021, 6:06 pm

Vol wrote:Total Warhammer 3 soon, comrades. Teasers implied Khorne, then Tzeentch, then today, Nurgle and Slaanesh. With a special second teaser implying KISLEV.


It'd better be, with all the teasing they're doing!

Let the Chaos Gods have their fun while they can. Nothing can stop the rise of the Undying King. All will be one in Nagash! They better do my undead boy justice!
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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Vol » February 3rd, 2021, 1:08 am

Ragabul wrote:See all of that just sounds like "Excel Spreadsheet: The Fantasy Adventure!" to me. Maybe what I want is just simply not something a video game can realistically provide, and I really need to go play pen and paper somewhere or play nothing but point and click type stuff with no combat. Still, I feel some games do a much better job of getting closer to what I am talking about than others. And, yes, being able to understand the system is definitely a consistent feature of the ones that get closer. I will go farther and say that you need to be able to *intuitively* grasp the system with at most an occasional reading of the codex and some trial and error. That's next to impossible to quantify because it's so subjective.

Another way to put it might be how the game answers the question "how do you solve this problem?" If the answer is "change what you are doing without fundamentally altering your character or party" it's much closer to what I want than if the answer is "reallocate your gear, spells, class, etc."

That was the impression I had from Josh Sawyer posting on SomethingAwful during development. A very intentionally designed and balanced game, and if you do not reconcile your mindset with that intent, you're going to get fucked. Tyranny, for whatever reason, clicked better with me, despite being the same fundamental system by all accounts. Though I believe there was some change in the priority system for enemy's attacking the formation, if I'm not mistaken.

Talking to people who are very much PnP loyalists, the necessarily limitations of virtual RPGs also necessarily results in powergaming.

Dragaros wrote:It'd better be, with all the teasing they're doing!

Let the Chaos Gods have their fun while they can. Nothing can stop the rise of the Undying King. All will be one in Nagash! They better do my undead boy justice!

Wonder if they'll go with the Tzarina, because muh women, or the Tzar who's canonically alive at the time. Though the impression is that they're going to jump to the End Times anyway, and with Repanse, the timeline's already altered.

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Dragaros » February 3rd, 2021, 10:07 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAr7yUlM0Po

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https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war ... r-iii-faq/

[[ IS TOTAL WAR: WARHAMMER III GOING TO BE SET DURING THE END TIMES AND FEATURE STUFF FROM AGE OF SIGMAR?
No, as with Total War: WARHAMMER and Total War: WARHAMMER II, Total War: WARHAMMER III is set around the reign of Karl Franz. Our primary source is Warhammer Fantasy Battles 8th Edition, although we have and will continue to use older editions for inspiration where appropriate.

WHAT RACES WILL BE AVAILABLE IN TOTAL WAR: WARHAMMER III AT LAUNCH?
We are excited to be able to confirm that Total War: WARHAMMER III contains a wider selection of individual races than any previous Total War: WARHAMMER core title. Deep within the realms of Chaos the four Ruinous Powers of Nurgle, Slaanesh, Tzeentch, and Khorne prepare for war and two mighty kingdoms stand sentinel: the stern warriors of Kislev and the vast empire of Grand Cathay. We can’t wait to start introducing you to the nine playable Legendary Lords that will lead these races into battle! ]]

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Ragabul » February 3rd, 2021, 10:25 am

Vol wrote:That was the impression I had from Josh Sawyer posting on SomethingAwful during development.


I am a complete heathen anymore in that when I see that guys name listed as a major force for a game now, I get less enthusiastic about it for this very reason. He *loves* "Excel Spreadsheet: The Fantasy Adventure!" The only non-tedious games he had anything to do with were Icewind Dale 1 and Fallout: New Vegas. Neverwinter Nights 2 starts non-tedious but does a Deadfire thing and gets super tedious in the last 20% or so.

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Alienmorph » February 3rd, 2021, 10:38 am

Dragaros wrote:WHAT RACES WILL BE AVAILABLE IN TOTAL WAR: WARHAMMER III AT LAUNCH?
We are excited to be able to confirm that Total War: WARHAMMER III contains a wider selection of individual races than any previous Total War: WARHAMMER core title. Deep within the realms of Chaos the four Ruinous Powers of Nurgle, Slaanesh, Tzeentch, and Khorne prepare for war and two mighty kingdoms stand sentinel: the stern warriors of Kislev and the vast empire of Grand Cathay. We can’t wait to start introducing you to the nine playable Legendary Lords that will lead these races into battle! ]]


So Fantasy Russia and Fantasy China vs Chaos Undivided. Oh this gunna be gud.

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Postby magnuskn » February 3rd, 2021, 10:52 am

It's not improbable that each Chaos faction will get stand as their own separate playable race.

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Postby Alienmorph » February 3rd, 2021, 11:29 am

Oh, it's definately sounds like that's the case, but I would assume that story-wise the Ruinous Powers are working togheter to some extent. Doesn't look like we're full-on Endtimes just yet, but since this is the last game of the trilogy, I wouldn't be surprised if we get there via one final big DlC/expansion.

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Postby Vol » February 3rd, 2021, 11:54 am

Called it. So 6 starting factions, I assume Chaos Dwarves will be the pre-order race pack, given the expansion of the Dark Lands in TW2 already, so they can slot them in nicely, plus it gives an incentive to buy TW1&2 _right now_ (when they drop) instead of holding out until Immortal Empires is ready for TW3. Then Ogres should be the early race pack into that. Also puts NIppon on the map with Cathay confirmed!

Interesting plot premise too.Since this isn't End Times, and presumably the factions are going to be able to invade the Chaos realm, might see some crazy shit go down. Fixing the polar portals for good? Laying siege to Nurgle's mansion? MALICE?

(Probably not)

@Raga: Especially these last few years, it's been apparent that management is vitally important to any creative project, because entirely competent people still need reigning in and guidance, and cannot be left to their own devices. That said, I'm not a grognard, so I don't know what the intended audience's taste for mathematically perfect systems is.

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STAxzrnd0aA&feature=emb_title

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Postby magnuskn » February 3rd, 2021, 12:36 pm

Alienmorph wrote:Oh, it's definately sounds like that's the case, but I would assume that story-wise the Ruinous Powers are working togheter to some extent. Doesn't look like we're full-on Endtimes just yet, but since this is the last game of the trilogy, I wouldn't be surprised if we get there via one final big DlC/expansion.


They very specifically said in their FAQ that they would not do Endtimes. No fucking wonder, the burning hatred I've seen of that novel on the Total War subreddit is pretty much mirrored only with people who hate TLJ.

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Postby Mazder » February 3rd, 2021, 12:41 pm

That looks awesome, too bad I am still back on TW:W1 level of learning, lol.

Last game I did was Dwarves and I got so bogged down with so many things to kill and soooooo much money that I was literally wishing I could just buy them, lol.

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Postby Dragaros » February 3rd, 2021, 1:38 pm

Alienmorph wrote:
So Fantasy Russia and Fantasy China vs Chaos Undivided. Oh this gunna be gud.


The especially cool thing is that they're finally going to flesh out Cathay, which has remained mostly unexplored and mysterious up till now. Very little is known even in-universe to the other nations of the world as most of the accounts we have are rumors, hearsay, etc. There's some pretty awesome stuff hinted at and alluded to, but never seen or depicted because they never got a codex or an army on the tabletop.

A perfect example: the Celestial Dragon Emperor. Some say there has only ever been one because he's immortal; others argue that it's just multiple people taking over after the last one died and the myth of one eternal ruler is just state propaganda. Some contend the Celestial Dragon Emperor is actually a dragon who magically takes on human form, while others insist it's just a man with a grandiose title. No one outside of Cathay knows the truth.

Not to mention, the Rise of Nagash novel trilogy revealed that Neferata gave one of Nagash's elixirs to a Cathay prince/ambassador before the fall of Lamia, which could have either resulted in the Cathay royal family gaining immortality or creating a unique strain of vampires, depending on which formula she shared and how it was used. Or the fact that unbeknownst to the people, Tzeentch is openly worshipped in Cathay under the names of Chi'an Chi and Tsien-Tsien as part of a great deceptive scheme by the Liar God... JUST AS PLANNED.
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Postby Alienmorph » February 3rd, 2021, 4:01 pm

magnuskn wrote:They very specifically said in their FAQ that they would not do Endtimes. No fucking wonder, the burning hatred I've seen of that novel on the Total War subreddit is pretty much mirrored only with people who hate TLJ.


I see. Odd since AoS has been doing so well in the last couple years. But oh well.

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Postby magnuskn » February 4th, 2021, 1:14 am

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magnuskn wrote:They very specifically said in their FAQ that they would not do Endtimes. No fucking wonder, the burning hatred I've seen of that novel on the Total War subreddit is pretty much mirrored only with people who hate TLJ.


I see. Odd since AoS has been doing so well in the last couple years. But oh well.


From what I've read, people actually also like Age of Sigmar, but they hate that the old setting is gone and especially how it was ended, i.e. Endtimes. Hence why GW is bringing out The Old World and fleshing out factions like Kislev and Cathay for that setting.

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Mazder wrote:That looks awesome, too bad I am still back on TW:W1 level of learning, lol.

Last game I did was Dwarves and I got so bogged down with so many things to kill and soooooo much money that I was literally wishing I could just buy them, lol.

Yeah, the Total Warhammer games aren't nearly as intuitive as the older ones sometimes. Deficit army funding took me a while to wrap my head around, much less how long to keep it going. Hero usage, build orders, basic unit interplay with all the extra types, it's a lot, and I was in with hundreds of hours of previous experience!

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The especially cool thing is that they're finally going to flesh out Cathay, which has remained mostly unexplored and mysterious up till now. Very little is known even in-universe to the other nations of the world as most of the accounts we have are rumors, hearsay, etc. There's some pretty awesome stuff hinted at and alluded to, but never seen or depicted because they never got a codex or an army on the tabletop.

Must've been weird for GW to have to go back to the nuked setting specifically to invent new lore for Cathay, and I would hope, Nippon, Ind, and whoever else they can push out over the next couple years of DLC that's easily worth the cost.

Though I hope they also consulted the greybeards for this, I don't trust anyone from Gen X or later to do anything creative anymore.

But I'm _expecting_ a lot of 3K assets repurposed, some serpentine dragons, monks, lion-dogs, terra cotta soldiers, and very limited, but powerful, artillery.

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Postby Alienmorph » February 4th, 2021, 7:30 am

magnuskn wrote:From what I've read, people actually also like Age of Sigmar, but they hate that the old setting is gone and especially how it was ended, i.e. Endtimes. Hence why GW is bringing out The Old World and fleshing out factions like Kislev and Cathay for that setting.


That's fair enough. WH Fantasy' Endtimes did feel a lot like one of those big comic-book crossovers just meant to trash the status quo to justify doing the umptheen reboot. Except it was the first time GW did that, so it hit even harder than that kind of crappy "big events" would usually do, I'd imagine.

Still, yes, it's really nice to see the non-Empire human factions getting flashed out more. I'm hoping the Ogres and the Chaos Dwarves will show up soon as well, since they're also from that same general not-Asia corner of the WH world.

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Postby Mazder » February 4th, 2021, 12:11 pm

Vol wrote:Yeah, the Total Warhammer games aren't nearly as intuitive as the older ones sometimes. Deficit army funding took me a while to wrap my head around, much less how long to keep it going. Hero usage, build orders, basic unit interplay with all the extra types, it's a lot, and I was in with hundreds of hours of previous experience!

I mean I am literally rolling in gold, I just have no idea where my food meter is for dwarves so I don't know if I have food or not, lol.

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Vol wrote:Yeah, the Total Warhammer games aren't nearly as intuitive as the older ones sometimes. Deficit army funding took me a while to wrap my head around, much less how long to keep it going. Hero usage, build orders, basic unit interplay with all the extra types, it's a lot, and I was in with hundreds of hours of previous experience!

I mean I am literally rolling in gold, I just have no idea where my food meter is for dwarves so I don't know if I have food or not, lol.


You don't. Food ain't a thing in the TW:WH games, except for Skaven. And even there it's just a limiter to your expansion, not a detailed system like, for example, Total War: Attila.

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Postby Mazder » February 4th, 2021, 6:31 pm

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You don't. Food ain't a thing in the TW:WH games, except for Skaven. And even there it's just a limiter to your expansion, not a detailed system like, for example, Total War: Attila.

Oh, in that case MORE DWARVES!!
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Ugggh. If I had endless time, I'd love to play that game. But I don't and also, the first time I tried it, I quit due to boredom very quickly. Yep, the lackluster starting experience still is a problem and, unless they fixed it, having way, way, waaaaaay too many abilities in constant rotation at high levels is the third thing keeping me from trying it (huge time commitment, boring starting areas, fear that endgame characters are way too complicated to be fun). OH, WELL, no catgirl character for me. <sniff>

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Okay, new SSD installed, now to move games to it.
The mods are going to be the hardest part.
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Postby magnuskn » February 6th, 2021, 7:27 am

Oh, well, just made a new catgirl on a new free account, I guess I'll play a bit the next few days. If I get back into the groove somehow, I might activate the paid account again. Guess I got the WoW blues already, without wanting to play WoW.

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Azint » February 6th, 2021, 4:05 pm

I am still in the middle of Stormblood, regarding FFXIV. I aim to be caught up by the time Endwalker drops, so I will finally get to experience new content alongside everyone else.

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Mazder » February 6th, 2021, 6:20 pm

Currently looking over my PC build plans and I am really, REALLY hoping I don't need a newer processor any time soon.
The i7-4970K seems to be holding out for now but I think it's probably going to start showing it's age soon enough as far as I know and I really don't want to have to get a new CPU right now because I have no idea if I'd need a MoBo or not to basically make a decent step forwards.
Plus I am not certain if I should trust AMD still because intel has never done me wrong, even if it's more expensive.

I just wish I knew what I was doing before I get my money back.

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby magnuskn » February 6th, 2021, 7:17 pm

According to my friends, who should know what they are saying, since the three I've been talking to about my machine are two system administrators and one programmer, my i7 9700k should hold out for a long time still. So I wouldn't worry too much yet.


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