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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby Riptide » March 30th, 2017, 8:26 pm

TheodoricFriede wrote:I respect that Liam acknowledges hes impatient. He never says that "Being a cop held me back" he says "I was not patient enough to be a cop".

Liam blames his problems with the system on himself, not others. Thats more than Jacob could say. To an extent its more than even Garrus could say.


Yeah. But most people don't effectively commit suicide over it. Liam had a good life, but he threw his friends, family, and career away the first chance he got on an impulse.

Like, Garrus and Jacob were hotheads fed up with red tape, and yet somehow their responses of joining a terrorist group and becoming space Punisher were orders of magnitude less extreme than Liam's response to the problem. Like, I just can't empathize with that level of impulsive behavior. That's a disaster waiting to happen, which ultimately IS what happens on his loyalty mission, except Ryder is there to tell him to chill the fuck out.

Which, I actually appreciated by the way. My Ryder made choices so that after the fact she got to call Liam out on his behavior and told him to go sit his ass down and take a chill pill. I get that some people are going to like Liam, and I get the appeal. But for ME there isn't anything there. That's just like, my opinion man.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby Vol » March 30th, 2017, 8:28 pm

Am I crazy or are Peebee's eyelids rendering translucent? Just met her on Eos, and it seemed like an invisible flap with eyelashes on it.

@Rip: Oh you can flirt with him? What does he say? "Listen, kid, you're about a thousand years too young and 6 inches too shallow to handle me?"

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby Riptide » March 30th, 2017, 8:31 pm

Vol wrote:Am I crazy or are Peebee's eyelids rendering translucent? Just met her on Eos, and it seemed like an invisible flap with eyelashes on it.

@Rip: Oh you can flirt with him? What does he say? "Listen, kid, you're about a thousand years too young and 6 inches too shallow to handle me?"


After his loyalty mission you go get into that bar fight on Kadara. After that, you get the only chance to flirt with him I've found. FemRyder asks if that's the krogan equivalent of a date, and Drack says no, that would be a lot more private with a lot more broken furniture.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby Someone With Mass » March 30th, 2017, 8:59 pm

For me, Liam had a rough start. He was coming across as a very in the moment kind of guy with plenty of reminders of how he didn't really fit in and the second I was able to switch from Cora to Vetra, he was berating her for bringing Sid along with her to Andromeda. Meanwhile, it doesn't sound like he had a single legitimate reason to go aside from being bored.

I also can't really decide where to place Jaal. He often feels a lot like a Javik Lite. I do however appreciate BioWare's attempt at breaking away from the typical encyclopedia character trait by making him admit that he was far from the top student or just flat out say that he knows very little about the angaran biology.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby cannedcream » March 30th, 2017, 10:09 pm

Someone With Mass wrote:
cannedcream wrote:
UNiT wrote:Finished the game. Disregarding the occasional crash, performance and animation issues the game is great. Fuck all the haters.


Pretty much agree.

The bugs are inexcusable, it never should have shipped yet, but at least they can be fixed.

As for the story and characters and general gameplay? Yeah, I'm down with it.

No idea how you finished it, though, I've been playing the shit out of this game since the 22nd and I still got a mountain of quests to do.


Yeah, same. My brain won't let me ignore them either. Except for the fetch task quests, because fuck them. Even the Ryder memory triggers are walking on that very thin line between being tedious and being intriguing.

At least the memory quests have nav points.
The ones I'm largely ignoring are the ones where you just gotta find the shit on your own. I can't be bothered to scour every inch of every level to scan three whatevers for whatever.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby cannedcream » March 30th, 2017, 10:11 pm

Riptide wrote:
Vol wrote:We've gotten the full range of krogan manhood now.


And yet somehow, gotten none. I was disappointed when my FemRyder was given a chance to flirt with Drack but he kind of shot me down.

Not telling me EVERYTHING is prosthetic now, are you old man?


Pffffft.

One day we'll get to fuck a krogan. One day.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby TheodoricFriede » March 30th, 2017, 11:55 pm

I dont see the Jaal/Javik comparison beyond a slightly similar accent. I think its actually kind of laughable.

Jaal is far more in touch with his emotions for one.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby magnuskn » March 31st, 2017, 4:38 am

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magnuskn wrote:The problem have with Drack is that he is a CTRL-C/CTRL-V copy of Uncle Wrex With More Headbutting from the Citadel DLC. Which is nice to have along, but originality... eeeeeeh.

See, I dont see that at all.


To me Drak is very different. Drak is frankly a much better person than Wrex is. He knows serious regret, and serious love. He is convinced that he is a relic of the past, and will do more to hurt the krogan cause than to help it.

Wrex feels like a firm but fair war chief. Drak feels like a grizzled old man with a heart of gold.

Wrex can teach you how to fight. Drak can teach you how to scold a child and love a woman.


Well, I said that he's Wrex from Citadel, where his softer side, with a heart of gold, really comes out. :) As I said, I don't mind him along, but he seems to be the most obvious copy/paste character of them all.

Anyway, today I gotta do all the side-mission stuff on Voerl before moving on with the main story. Wheeeeee.... :shock:

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby TheodoricFriede » March 31st, 2017, 5:09 am

magnuskn wrote:
Well, I said that he's Wrex from Citadel, where his softer side, with a heart of gold, really comes out. :) As I said, I don't mind him along, but he seems to be the most obvious copy/paste character of them all.

Have you been taking him with you? I seriously dont see it.

I also dont think Wrex in the Citidel had the same personality.

The more you do his missions, the more you will realize that he is not the same character. He has an entirely different outlook, and has had entirely different experiences that have shaped him. He's not Wrex. Hes not even close.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby Mazder » March 31st, 2017, 5:19 am

TheodoricFriede wrote:I dont see the Jaal/Javik comparison beyond a slightly similar accent. I think its actually kind of laughable.

Jaal is far more in touch with his emotions for one.

I don't think their accents are really that close TBH.
I think it's mostly the gravelly filter and the deep voice.

cannedcream wrote:Pffffft.

One day we'll get to fuck a krogan. One day.

TBH that'd be hilarious and I want that in the game and there to be a Snu Snu comment. :D

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby Someone With Mass » March 31st, 2017, 5:21 am

Unlocked the turian havoc trooper in the multiplayer. First thing she said when I loaded up Firebase Zero: "Oh, this is like Fleet and Flotilla!"

I like her already.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby magnuskn » March 31st, 2017, 5:39 am

TheodoricFriede wrote:
magnuskn wrote:
Well, I said that he's Wrex from Citadel, where his softer side, with a heart of gold, really comes out. :) As I said, I don't mind him along, but he seems to be the most obvious copy/paste character of them all.

Have you been taking him with you? I seriously dont see it.

I also dont think Wrex in the Citidel had the same personality.

The more you do his missions, the more you will realize that he is not the same character. He has an entirely different outlook, and has had entirely different experiences that have shaped him. He's not Wrex. Hes not even close.


About half the time only. Doesn't help that I want to take Vetra and believe that I have to take Jaal on the two Angara worlds. We'll see how it develops, I'll sub him in for Jaal for the drudgery stuff.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby Someone With Mass » March 31st, 2017, 6:48 am

When it comes to Drack and Wrex, I think it's like comparing a father to a grandpa. Wrex is constantly worrying about the krogans' lack of fertility while Drack is waxing nostalgic about all the different experiences he's had.

Wrex: You want stories, go talk to the quarian.

Drack: Reminds me of that one time I was on a frozen moon and almost lost my good toe.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby Grand Admiral Cheesecake » March 31st, 2017, 8:35 am

One thing people should note for the "Scan/shoot" 3-5 things tasks is that they respawn. You can come back to a planet later and find the same target at the same location.

Or even just move around the map doing other things and have them respawn.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby magnuskn » March 31st, 2017, 10:24 am

Someone With Mass wrote:When it comes to Drack and Wrex, I think it's like comparing a father to a grandpa. Wrex is constantly worrying about the krogans' lack of fertility while Drack is waxing nostalgic about all the different experiences he's had.

Wrex: You want stories, go talk to the quarian.

Drack: Reminds me of that one time I was on a frozen moon and almost lost my good toe.


Except for Mass Effect 1, where Wrex was all up for telling war stories.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby Raga » March 31st, 2017, 10:53 am

I'm not seeing the Jaal/Javik comparisons either. I'm trying to think who he is most like, but sort of pulling a blank. He's some weird combination of Thane (style), Cullen (emotions), and Garrus (cocky/snark) as best I can figure. He's fine but doesn't hold a candle to Garrus. He's actually a bit much and feels sort of like he fell out of some romance novel. From what I've seen, Vetra is the best LI from this game. I actually haven't done much with Drack and since I have the banter bug I haven't even heard him talk to other people much yet. The others are all fine. Not outstanding but fine.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby Someone With Mass » March 31st, 2017, 11:10 am

Raga wrote:I'm not seeing the Jaal/Javik comparisons either. I'm trying to think who he is most like, but sort of pulling a blank. He's some weird combination of Thane (style), Cullen (emotions), and Garrus (cocky/snark) as best I can figure. He's fine but doesn't hold a candle to Garrus. He's actually a bit much and feels sort of like he fell out of some romance novel. From what I've seen, Vetra is the best LI from this game. I actually haven't done much with Drack and since I have the banter bug I haven't even heard him talk to other people much yet. The others are all fine. Not outstanding but fine.


Aw, the banter bug sucks, because Drack and Vetra have some really good interactions while driving the Nomad. Like talking about how the word "bamboozled" would be a good name for a drink after Drack wonders if Kesh lied to get Vetra to sign up for the Initiative and how Vetra learned the word from Sid because she's into "some weird, old human shit."

I also see them together on the Tempest, sharing stories more than anyone else.

Also x2, Vetra was part of a mercenary group called the Nova Force when Kesh made a deal with her to get experimental tech from the Terminus and eventually made her interested enough to join the Initiative.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby Raga » March 31st, 2017, 11:25 am

I did have Peebee and Jaal talking some on Voeld and apparently she gets irked because he keeps falling asleep in the nomad despite Ryder's awful driving.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby Grand Admiral Cheesecake » March 31st, 2017, 11:41 am

Raga wrote:I did have Peebee and Jaal talking some on Voeld and apparently she gets irked because he keeps falling asleep in the nomad despite Ryder's awful driving.


Which tells us all we need to know of the state of Angaran drivers.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby TheodoricFriede » March 31st, 2017, 12:31 pm

Someone With Mass wrote:
Aw, the banter bug sucks, because Drack and Vetra have some really good interactions while driving the Nomad. Like talking about how the word "bamboozled" would be a good name for a drink after Drack wonders if Kesh lied to get Vetra to sign up for the Initiative and how Vetra learned the word from Sid because she's into "some weird, old human shit."


More than just funny, some of their conversations are really sweet. Drak at some point mentions that if she "ever needs a shoulder to cry in... I can find someone." and Vetra sincerely mentions that "If only you could have raised us, Old Man...." in regards to her and Sid.

Of course he also mentions how every day it seems like his plates make new and interesting sounds when he wakes up in the morning, and wonders if its the same for her. She's not super thrilled with that line of questioning.


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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby magnuskn » March 31st, 2017, 1:40 pm

Man, I regret my impatience now when I started the game. Can't stand to see the Spazzryders hairpubes, so it's "helmet on" whenever I can.

And I think I need to mention what a terrible idea it was to just zoom in on a character with a "right beside your head" kind of zoom for many conversations, instead of proper cutscenes. The difference between the two is horribly noticeable. I'm space-tabbing through many of those side conversations now, because a good lot of them just boil down to "go fetch me ten bear asses!". But when I just met a Salarian recruiter for the other criminal organization on Kedara, I really would have liked a proper cinematic conversation, instead of talking to his back. :-/

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby cannedcream » March 31st, 2017, 1:43 pm

TheodoricFriede wrote:
Someone With Mass wrote:
Aw, the banter bug sucks, because Drack and Vetra have some really good interactions while driving the Nomad. Like talking about how the word "bamboozled" would be a good name for a drink after Drack wonders if Kesh lied to get Vetra to sign up for the Initiative and how Vetra learned the word from Sid because she's into "some weird, old human shit."


More than just funny, some of their conversations are really sweet. Drak at some point mentions that if she "ever needs a shoulder to cry in... I can find someone." and Vetra sincerely mentions that "If only you could have raised us, Old Man...." in regards to her and Sid.

Of course he also mentions how every day it seems like his plates make new and interesting sounds when he wakes up in the morning, and wonders if its the same for her. She's not super thrilled with that line of questioning.


Drack and Jaal also have some pretty good interactions where they're asking questions back and forth about each other's species.

Raga wrote: From what I've seen, Vetra is the best LI from this game.


If I wasn't already sold on the fact I wanted Vetra, she would have won me over when I was doing a mission on a low-gravity moon and went off a massive jump in the Nomad and Vetra just starts laughing this adorkable laugh.

It was like "Yes. You. You are my new space waifu."

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby cannedcream » March 31st, 2017, 1:44 pm

magnuskn wrote:Man, I regret my impatience now when I started the game. Can't stand to see the Spazzryders hairpubes, so it's "helmet on" whenever I can.

And I think I need to mention what a terrible idea it was to just zoom in on a character with a "right beside your head" kind of zoom for many conversations, instead of proper cutscenes. The difference between the two is horribly noticeable. I'm space-tabbing through many of those side conversations now, because a good lot of them just boil down to "go fetch me ten bear asses!". But when I just met a Salarian recruiter for the other criminal organization on Kedara, I really would have liked a proper cinematic conversation, instead of talking to his back. :-/


And sometimes your armor gets in the way, so you're just staring at a spike sticking out of your armor instead of the person talking.



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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby Dragaros » March 31st, 2017, 2:19 pm

Someone With Mass wrote:Made me miss Vetra's comment on Messani's nickname for Ryder too.


You mean this?

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby Someone With Mass » March 31st, 2017, 2:50 pm

Dragaros wrote:
Someone With Mass wrote:Made me miss Vetra's comment on Messani's nickname for Ryder too.


You mean this?


Yeah, I only got Ryder's part of it. Jeez, did no one play this game with subtitles during testing?

Also, when I'm trying to solve the Sudoku bullshit, does it mean no repeats within the boarders or the rows and columns across the entire thing? It could at least keep the symbols instead of practically tell me to get fucked each time I get it wrong.

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Postby Vol » March 31st, 2017, 3:16 pm

Darket "Turian Tali" is a cutey, even more so now that I know Liz voiced her.

Though Eos' content gating is a bit annoying, they really didn't want it to be the Hinterlands Part 2.

@SWM: It means no row, column, or boxed off shape has any repeats.

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Postby Someone With Mass » March 31st, 2017, 4:05 pm

Vol wrote:
@SWM: It means no row, column, or boxed off shape has any repeats.


Bleh. I'm just going to use a cheat sheet. They're way too time consuming than I'd like and they're not entertaining.

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Postby Riptide » March 31st, 2017, 5:53 pm

Vol wrote:Darket "Turian Tali" is a cutey, even more so now that I know Liz voiced her.

Though Eos' content gating is a bit annoying, they really didn't want it to be the Hinterlands Part 2.

@SWM: It means no row, column, or boxed off shape has any repeats.


Sroka voices several characters in the game. She also does one of the asari who talks to Ryder after saving the asari Ark. And she also does the asari sentinel in multi-player.

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Postby TTTX » March 31st, 2017, 6:50 pm

just a thing I noticed when doing a new game + some of the quest are broken, you can literally finish or continue certain quests before they are even giving to you.

That's very annoying.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby cannedcream » March 31st, 2017, 7:27 pm

Someone With Mass wrote:
Dragaros wrote:
Someone With Mass wrote:Made me miss Vetra's comment on Messani's nickname for Ryder too.


You mean this?


Yeah, I only got Ryder's part of it. Jeez, did no one play this game with subtitles during testing?

Also, when I'm trying to solve the Sudoku bullshit, does it mean no repeats within the boarders or the rows and columns across the entire thing? It could at least keep the symbols instead of practically tell me to get fucked each time I get it wrong.


No repeats in the same line going horizontal, or vertical, and no repeats within the same highlighted 'box' that it's in.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby Mazder » March 31st, 2017, 8:56 pm

Riptide wrote:
Vol wrote:Darket "Turian Tali" is a cutey, even more so now that I know Liz voiced her.

Though Eos' content gating is a bit annoying, they really didn't want it to be the Hinterlands Part 2.

@SWM: It means no row, column, or boxed off shape has any repeats.


Sroka voices several characters in the game. She also does one of the asari who talks to Ryder after saving the asari Ark. And she also does the asari sentinel in multi-player.

Huh, I never noticed.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby Vol » March 31st, 2017, 9:20 pm

Man, Ryder does grow as a leader bigly. Havarl-era, he's getting cucked hard when it comes to crew decisions.

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Postby TheodoricFriede » April 1st, 2017, 12:10 am

Vol wrote:Man, Ryder does grow as a leader bigly. Havarl-era, he's getting cucked hard when it comes to crew decisions.

You know that was a conscious choice though on the developers. Im pretty sure those meetings are a direct response to the super stiff, formal meetings Commander Shepard had.

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Postby TheodoricFriede » April 1st, 2017, 4:45 am

Vetra is the absolute best.

Edit:

"She just sent me "<3" in an email. SHES SO GOD DAMNED CUTE!!!"

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby Su37 » April 1st, 2017, 5:30 am

I just finished Peebee's loyalty mission. I'm back to hating her again.

And I just got Vetra's romance. I squealed.

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Postby TheodoricFriede » April 1st, 2017, 6:54 am

Su37 wrote:I just finished Peebee's loyalty mission. I'm back to hating her again.

Oh i was pissed, but I got over it. The ability to let me tell people how awful their plan was, and have them acknowledge it goes a long way.

Su37 wrote:
And I just got Vetra's romance. I squealed.


Its downright spectacular. Seems like her romance doesn't really trigger in earnest till later game.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby Vol » April 1st, 2017, 10:25 am

TheodoricFriede wrote:You know that was a conscious choice though on the developers. Im pretty sure those meetings are a direct response to the super stiff, formal meetings Commander Shepard had.

It's absolutely intentional, it demonstrates growth as a leader when it goes from limp-dick "A-alright everyone, g-good meeting, guess you can go now..." to "Where's my Mama Bird and Biotic Sidepussy? Let's _move_, people!"

The first impressions of the cast, sans Vetra, did little to ingratiate me. It's as the story unfolded, and they actually grew with Ryder, that they started to endear themselves.

Su37 wrote:I just finished Peebee's loyalty mission. I'm back to hating her again.

And I just got Vetra's romance. I squealed.

Her loyalty mission is oddly poor. Takes a long time, then the actual sequence plays like it was meant to be the tutorial level. "Ryder, go there! Scan this! Go here! Scan this! Now scan this, wait wait wait, scan that!"

The choice at least made me think for a moment.

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Postby Someone With Mass » April 1st, 2017, 10:37 am

Oh. A quest bug. And not just a minor quest either.

It's when you're trying to find the asari ark and is lead to a transponder in the ice. I can't interact with it in any way and nothing I've done works.
Don't even know why it became like that to begin with.

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Postby TheodoricFriede » April 1st, 2017, 12:00 pm

So I finally beat the game. Ill write a full review tomorrow for the hell of it, but spoilers.

This is my new favorite Bioware game.

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Postby cannedcream » April 1st, 2017, 6:53 pm

TheodoricFriede wrote:Vetra is the absolute best.

Edit:

"She just sent me "<3" in an email. SHES SO GOD DAMNED CUTE!!!"


That's fucking adorable.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby Azint » April 1st, 2017, 7:52 pm

Has anyone else been playing the multiplayer? I had a very long session of it last night, and I made a lot of progress. The rewards seem far more generous than they were in ME3, considering how many Gold packs I've already bought by exclusively playing Silver matches so far. It seems that, once again, Infiltrator is a terror in the field, since I frequently score the highest in spite of being fairly underleveled with mostly modest gear.

Except the Falcon, the Falcon is wonderful. It's a grenade launcher disguised as an assault rifle, and it pairs very well with the cloak.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby Vol » April 1st, 2017, 7:57 pm

Mhm. Been dabbling, as the bugs of the SP, knowing I'm missing a ton of banter and ambient conversations is hard to ignore. Oddly, the angaran agent, one of the few classes I've unlocked, seems to my best, despite having a playstyle contrary to my own. Infiltrator is my go-to, but the lag makes single-shot sniping way too dicey. Impossible to kill though. Been sticking on Bronze until I build up a decent roster of characters.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby DarkStorm » April 1st, 2017, 9:06 pm

Been playing krogan vanguard since I unlocked it, face smashing everything.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby Su37 » April 1st, 2017, 9:16 pm

I finished the game, finally. Overall, I think it's a net positive over Mass Effect 3, though not quite as good as the first two games. Still, I had a lot of fun, but I think I'm going to ignore most of the "tasks" in future playthroughs.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby TheodoricFriede » April 1st, 2017, 10:03 pm

So what are some builds people have been doing? I just finished an infiltrator, and i was going to do Vanguard next, but for some reason i want to try a Sentinel. Im in a kind of "Tank" mood.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby Su37 » April 1st, 2017, 10:05 pm

I did sentinel for my run. Chaining multiple combos back to back is very fun.

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Re: Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

Postby TheodoricFriede » April 1st, 2017, 10:14 pm

I assume you can still be tanky as hell?


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