Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

[SciFlyBoy]

Problem is that according the novels and comics TIM founded Cerberus not the Alliance, shortly after the first contact war after he got reaper tech in his eyes and became their puppet.

Ugh, the problem is that playing the game and reading the novels and comics are two separate things. No one knew the reapers were alive in until Virmire and reaper tech wasn't available until after the Geth battle at the Citadel, per the game.
Cerberus was just a small, but well funded organization that didn't skyrocket until Shepard was brought back, per the game.
Prosthetic star trek eyes could have been made anytime in the past since cybernetic implants are a thing today, but reaper tech eyes? Before we knew what reapers were and before the tech was available? Even the codex states that there must have been some leadership change/shake up in the organization shortly before the events of ME1, even stating TIM is of the Shadow Broker level of "is it a woman, a man , a group?" Did our TIM take over, or was he the founder of the whole thing? What is that entry about?

What was simply a greedy man who wanted power, per the game, is now a mastermind behind tech and monsters years before we knew their existence, per the novels and comics. As someone who didn't read the novels I'm really confused about what actually happened and when.

[SciFlyBoy]

Man, if only they could do to Cora's armor what they did to female Ryder's. When I can see your midriff through what's supposed to be a spacesuit, you're not exactly convincing me that it can protect you from various hazards.

It could be that the armor is just shaped like abdominal muscles, like the padding on her midriff is formed to her shape. Her... really nice feminine midriff shape.

[TheodoricFriede]

Shes not part of Cerberus, people. Shes not related to the Illusive Man.

[TTTX]

Ugh, the problem is that playing the game and reading the novels and comics are two separate things. No one knew the reapers were alive in until Virmire and reaper tech wasn't available until after the Geth battle at the Citadel, per the game.
Cerberus was just a small, but well funded organization that didn't skyrocket until Shepard was brought back, per the game.
Prosthetic star trek eyes could have been made anytime in the past since cybernetic implants are a thing today, but reaper tech eyes? Before we knew what reapers were and before the tech was available? Even the codex states that there must have been some leadership change/shake up in the organization shortly before the events of ME1, even stating TIM is of the Shadow Broker level of "is it a woman, a man , a group?" Did our TIM take over, or was he the founder of the whole thing? What is that entry about?

What was simply a greedy man who wanted power, per the game, is now a mastermind behind tech and monsters years before we knew their existence, per the novels and comics. As someone who didn't read the novels I'm really confused about what actually happened and when.

Reaper tech have been available or rather found probably before ME1 (which happened to the Batarians) as even Shepard can discover a couple of side missions (in ME1 and ME2) where people have lost their minds and done dumb stuff (it's one of the reasons why there is always people indoctrinate). Also TIM and Saren share the same eyes (in terms of looks) which raises the question why TIM didn't work for the Collectors since he was under Reaper control and the Shadow Broker wasn't but ehh.

Man, if only they could do to Cora's armor what they did to female Ryder's. When I can see your midriff through what's supposed to be a spacesuit, you're not exactly convincing me that it can protect you from various hazards.

Well you know BW they need those ass shots.

Shes not part of Cerberus, people. Shes not related to the Illusive Man.

There are not proof to say that you are right about that.

[TheodoricFriede]

Shes not part of Cerberus, people. Shes not related to the Illusive Man.

There are not proof to say that you are right about that.

I have precisely the same amount of proof that the people who say she is part of Cerberus do.

She is NOT part of Cerberus. She is NOT the Illusive Mans daughter.

Shes as much related to Jack Harper as "James Sanders" is related to Kaylee Sanders. It was an oversight.

[Someone With Mass]

My biggest problem with TIM is that he did fuck all to earn his reputation and that his goals served more as convenient excuses than logical justifications.

That and he botched about 80% of all his projects, yet managed got funding because he managed to kiss some xenophobic simpleton's ass.

Not to mention that indoctrination became one really lazy plot device as the games went on. "This guy is acting like a complete fucking idiot, causing random damage and killing people for no reason. He must be indoctrinated."

At least in ME1, it was to further the Reapers' cause for a short time until the victims' brains pretty much shorted out.

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unvqXLM9Ru4&feature=push-u&attr_tag=LT4BBCSmo6M-6

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO0rBH3EFK4

[SciFlyBoy]

nomad video

I want to see that damn little thing scale a near vertical climb. This flat terrain crap is for the birds.

[Dragaros]

https://www.masseffect.com/news/peebee?setLocale=en-us

[Dragaros]

[Someone With Mass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XnhGdKClNs

Also, are trigger guards taboo or something? You're just asking to have that pistol go off unintentionally.

[Mazder]

Peebee give me that gun!
That is not the gun for the likes of you,t hat is an officer's gun!

Glad to see a cool revolver in ME.

[TTTX]

Peebee give me that gun!
That is not the gun for the likes of you,t hat is an officer's gun!

Glad to see a cool revolver in ME.

now we just need western kind of duels and cowboy hat and the game is ready to go balls to the wall crazy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp8uoQ2PS_0

[Alienmorph]

You really want to get on my nerves, don't you girl?

[TheodoricFriede]

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[SciFlyBoy]

I'm guessing she's only 130 years old or so. Still in her stripper years, before her commando years.

[Someone With Mass]

Oh boy, will she have a fun discovery to explore when/if she comes back to the Milky Way galaxy. Almost wish she could have stayed there another couple of years just for that schadenfreude.

[Alienmorph]

She's in her "idiot" years. Just what we needed. An obnoxious asari street rat bragging about how much better adventures we can have in Andromeda.

[TTTX]

Considering that only 1% of the milkey way galaxy was explore that's a very dum thing to say, but then again the Asari are pretty dumb in general as ME3 taught us.

Also her breathing mask looks dumb as it looked dumb in ME2 and ME3, wear a helmet or GTFO.

[Alienmorph]

"Cha! Helmets are overrated and overdone! And I need to show my sweet eyeliner even when I'm the vacuum!"

[Riptide]

Sadly, it makes a certain kind of sense. The Council had most relays blocked off, if you'll recall, because they didn't want to open new ones and let in stuff like the Rachni. That's what caused the whole First Contact War.

In that way, the Milky Way WAS kind of limiting.

[TheodoricFriede]

Making AI's are also illegal, but that didnt seem to stop anyone.

[TTTX]

Sadly, it makes a certain kind of sense. The Council had most relays blocked off, if you'll recall, because they didn't want to open new ones and let in stuff like the Rachni. That's what caused the whole First Contact War.

In that way, the Milky Way WAS kind of limiting.

but that was only in council space though.

There is the terminus systems where you could open as many relays as you want.

[TheodoricFriede]

Also i can barely keep up with restaurants in my area, dont tell me that you cant find a way to get your jollies in a damned galaxy.

[Riptide]

Sadly, it makes a certain kind of sense. The Council had most relays blocked off, if you'll recall, because they didn't want to open new ones and let in stuff like the Rachni. That's what caused the whole First Contact War.

In that way, the Milky Way WAS kind of limiting.

but that was only in council space though.

There is the terminus systems where you could open as many relays as you want.

No, you couldn't.

I mean, they could, but the council would of intervened. Remember, the turians went to war at the drop of a hat with an unknown enemy over them trying to unlock a relay. If they tried doing that in the Terminus, I can't imagine they'd stand back and watch.

[TTTX]

No, you couldn't.

I mean, they could, but the council would of intervened. Remember, the turians went to war at the drop of a hat with an unknown enemy over them trying to unlock a relay. If they tried doing that in the Terminus, I can't imagine they'd stand back and watch.

that's assuming the council know if the terminus are unlocking relays, the galaxy is big place they can't have eyes on everything.

Hell the council could eliminate the terminus completely, but it would cost them a lot, years if not decades war that could weaken them a lot. that's different then go to war with one unknown race.

[SciFlyBoy]

The council holds the Citadel, the Citadel controls the relay network, right? So I can see the council regulating the amont of relays used.

[Mazder]

I still find it hilarious that in some regards the council races were so stagnant when it cam to some military tech until the Alliance came around.

I mean the Turians had the military tech of ME1 calibre for...what, 1100 years?
And we were able to go toe-toe with them when we just started out.
I mean they didn't even think of carriers until we rolled around I'm pretty sure.

[SciFlyBoy]

Military technology changes when different cultures collide. Think about the British and the native Americans in the French and Indian war. The British, which were the most advance military in the world, were taught a lot from the (primitive) native Iroquois.

[TTTX]

The council holds the Citadel, the Citadel controls the relay network, right? So I can see the council regulating the amont of relays used.

they didn't know that until after ME1 though.

[Alienmorph]

Sadly, it makes a certain kind of sense. The Council had most relays blocked off, if you'll recall, because they didn't want to open new ones and let in stuff like the Rachni. That's what caused the whole First Contact War.

In that way, the Milky Way WAS kind of limiting.

Even if ALL relays were blocked off except the ones deemed safe by the Council, it still DOESN'T make sense. Even only a small percentace of the galaxy being accessible means hundres and hundreds of systems, with even more planets within them. The Milky Way galaxy in Mass Effect is only as "limited" as the writers wants it to be. You could theoretically make an whole story set in the Milky Way with NONE of the familiar races, factions or lore elements, and it would still make perfect sense, because the setting was that potentially big.

Having any character with a wish for exploring and adventuring going all Disney princess about how there must be something more than what the Milky Way has to offer is not only dumb, but it's insultingly dumb.

Add to that the fact Liara 2.0. is the one saying so, and you have a perfect example of why ME:A still doesn't rub me in the right way.

[Someone With Mass]

Sadly, it makes a certain kind of sense. The Council had most relays blocked off, if you'll recall, because they didn't want to open new ones and let in stuff like the Rachni. That's what caused the whole First Contact War.

In that way, the Milky Way WAS kind of limiting.

Then again, they could always travel outside the mass relay network and limit the risk that way. If they can travel for 600 years in utter darkness between galaxies, this shouldn't be too much of a stretch.

The council holds the Citadel, the Citadel controls the relay network, right? So I can see the council regulating the amont of relays used.

Well, that's a function they neither know of or have access to.

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV0UUBY7ntE

[Someone With Mass]

I've always thought that gold looks so tacky on both weapons and vehicles.

[SciFlyBoy]

Maybe they're going to Andromeda just because it's easier to look at, to see the whole thing. It's sitting right there in the open sky. There are parts of our galaxy we can't see because our own galaxy is blocking it. If there's a sure thing some long distance away that you can see or detect, it might actually be more feasible to point at that and say, "let's go there" then to the large dust cloud in our own Milky Way arm saying, "It might take some time to explore, and we may find something or not."

[Spartanburger]

I've always thought that gold looks so tacky on both weapons and vehicles.

but how else are you going to tell people that you're mlg/prestige/diamond league/autistic?

[TTTX]

Maybe they're going to Andromeda just because it's easier to look at, to see the whole thing. It's sitting right there in the open sky. There are parts of our galaxy we can't see because our own galaxy is blocking it. If there's a sure thing some long distance away that you can see or detect, it might actually be more feasible to point at that and say, "let's go there" then to the large dust cloud in our own Milky Way arm saying, "It might take some time to explore, and we may find something or not."

that's a very idealistic view, that you either have to be naive or fool to believe (no offence).

realistically there are probably other reasons for why they are going there.

[Someone With Mass]

I've always thought that gold looks so tacky on both weapons and vehicles.

but how else are you going to tell people that you're mlg/prestige/diamond league/autistic?

I thought that was Doritos and Mountain Dew with a mix of weed.

[Riptide]

Maybe they're going to Andromeda just because it's easier to look at, to see the whole thing. It's sitting right there in the open sky. There are parts of our galaxy we can't see because our own galaxy is blocking it. If there's a sure thing some long distance away that you can see or detect, it might actually be more feasible to point at that and say, "let's go there" then to the large dust cloud in our own Milky Way arm saying, "It might take some time to explore, and we may find something or not."

that's a very idealistic view, that you either have to be naive or fool to believe (no offence).

realistically there are probably other reasons for why they are going there.

It's been hinted by the devs there may be ulterior motives behind the Andromeda Initiative.

I would be surprised if it didn't have something to do with the Remnant.

[Dragaros]

[SciFlyBoy]

that's a very idealistic view, that you either have to be naive or fool to believe (no offence).

realistically there are probably other reasons for why they are going there.

It's not a belief, it's just a reasoning. I don't want to take personal offense, as I think you meant the "royal you" as in "one might believe", but if it's directed towards me then I think I will. Why add a personal attack about me or anyone using that reasoning being naive or a fool? I definitely don't have the qualifications to discuss space exploration because I don't hold multiple degrees in astronomy and physics, as I'm sure no one else here does, but what does calling that reasoning naive or foolish have to do with furthering the discussion about reasons to go to another galaxy?

It might be the same reason more people have been on the surface of the moon then the bottom of the ocean. The moon is technically easier to get to, you just have to solve it mathematically and physically. The hardest part is breaking Earth's atmosphere and escaping Earth's gravity. Then it's just a matter of speed and time and math, since there's really nothing between here and there, it's mostly empty space. The bottom of the ocean is different, we can map it, but what's really down there is yet to be explored. There is a lot of stuff between here and there. And here's the kicker, there are probably more resources on the bottom of the ocean then there ever will be on the Moon. So what's the reasoning behind putting more effort into exploring something extremely far away that none of us will ever touch in our lives and putting less effort into something just a few miles away? And that's not me coming up with reasons, that's what's really happening today in our world. I think the same argument could be stated in the game as to why the Initiative is going to another galaxy. I personally wouldn't do it because that's insane, we have an entire galaxy yet to be explored, but I'm not a character in the game behind the Initiative or the game developer.

Also, with our technology today we know little about our galaxy.

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/203 ... red-so-far

I know the technology in ME is different, but they state that the entire galaxy is still yet to be explored. So perhaps the same principle applies at that time, too?

As for going there of course there are other reasons, reasons that will show up in the game that the Initiative videos aren't sharing. The secret reason that we're all discussing and trying to figure out. We just don't know yet which reason they gave to the people who joined the Initiative at the onset of the game. So right now it's just speculation, one of us may be right. All of us may be wrong. I don't see what's naive or foolish about coming up with different reasons.

[Someone With Mass]

It's nice to finally see some proper height differences instead of "oh, Tali is like half a centimeter shorter than Shepard! So cute!"

[Riptide]

God damn I just want her to scoop me up in her arms...

[SciFlyBoy]

Her arms are legs to humans.

[Mazder]

It's nice to finally see some proper height differences instead of "oh, Tali is like half a centimeter shorter than Shepard! So cute!"

Oh my fuck yes!

God damn I just want her to scoop me up in her arms...

I refer you to my previous response to SWM.

[TheodoricFriede]

Gonna be mighty disappointing when shes lesbian only.

[TTTX]

It's not a belief, it's just a reasoning. I don't want to take personal offense, as I think you meant the "royal you" as in "one might believe", but if it's directed towards me then I think I will. Why add a personal attack about me or anyone using that reasoning being naive or a fool? I definitely don't have the qualifications to discuss space exploration because I don't hold multiple degrees in astronomy and physics, as I'm sure no one else here does, but what does calling that reasoning naive or foolish have to do with furthering the discussion about reasons to go to another galaxy?

It might be the same reason more people have been on the surface of the moon then the bottom of the ocean. The moon is technically easier to get to, you just have to solve it mathematically and physically. The hardest part is breaking Earth's atmosphere and escaping Earth's gravity. Then it's just a matter of speed and time and math, since there's really nothing between here and there, it's mostly empty space. The bottom of the ocean is different, we can map it, but what's really down there is yet to be explored. There is a lot of stuff between here and there. And here's the kicker, there are probably more resources on the bottom of the ocean then there ever will be on the Moon. So what's the reasoning behind putting more effort into exploring something extremely far away that none of us will ever touch in our lives and putting less effort into something just a few miles away? And that's not me coming up with reasons, that's what's really happening today in our world. I think the same argument could be stated in the game as to why the Initiative is going to another galaxy. I personally wouldn't do it because that's insane, we have an entire galaxy yet to be explored, but I'm not a character in the game behind the Initiative or the game developer.

Also, with our technology today we know little about our galaxy.

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/203 ... red-so-far

I know the technology in ME is different, but they state that the entire galaxy is still yet to be explored. So perhaps the same principle applies at that time, too?

As for going there of course there are other reasons, reasons that will show up in the game that the Initiative videos aren't sharing. The secret reason that we're all discussing and trying to figure out. We just don't know yet which reason they gave to the people who joined the Initiative at the onset of the game. So right now it's just speculation, one of us may be right. All of us may be wrong. I don't see what's naive or foolish about coming up with different reasons.

Well I didn't mean as such hence is why put up "no offence" in my post as a safety as I can sometimes write stuff in a way I don't mean too as I'm not english it happens from time to time.

as for the answer to the question well we already know most people didn't join up just because of the whole want to colonize, explore and all that stuff, because that's not how people work (not to mention there are anarchists among the people as we will be fighting those in ME:A), but at the sound of it we'll hear the idealistic side of it from Liam (I pretty sure his loyalty mission will make cracks in his idealistic views and we'll probably have to make him either give them up or keep them), there are probably many different reasons for people to sign up, escaping debt, hits on their heads, wanting to start over, etc.

your comparison using the moon and ocean is a non fair comparison as we can return from the moon back to earth (and stay in contact with them), it would be more a fair comparison to compare getting the resources of the ocean or our own star system and us going to the nearest star system to get resources (although we need space to grow on more then resource in my opinion after all we are what 7 billion people now it's time to colonize other worlds now if we are to survive in this universe). however going to another star system in this point in time would be a dumb one for the same reasons the Ark Initiative are a dumb idea, it's not worth it for anyone at least not for the rest of the galaxy.

Not to mention the Ark initiative are lying through their teeth, because there is no way, people waste so much time, money and resources just to send people off on a 600 hundred journey and just be all like "Go off and have fun colonize, exploring and stuff " because that's a piss poor investment because there is no return on it at least for the first 1300 years and that's even assuming they'll be nice enough to send stuff back or even survive the journey.

[cannedcream]

Gonna be mighty disappointing when shes lesbian only.

LET ME DREAM, THEO

[TheodoricFriede]

Gonna be mighty disappointing when shes lesbian only.

LET ME DREAM, THEO

Once I had me a dream, but that dream got kicked in the head.

Dream dead.