Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

[SciFlyBoy]

Well I didn't mean as such hence is why put up "no offence" in my post as a safety as I can sometimes write stuff in a way I don't mean too as I'm not english it happens from time to time.

as for the answer to the question well we already know most people didn't join up just because of the whole want to colonize, explore and all that stuff, because that's not how people work (not to mention there are anarchists among the people as we will be fighting those in ME:A), but at the sound of it we'll hear the idealistic side of it from Liam (I pretty sure his loyalty mission will make cracks in his idealistic views and we'll probably have to make him either give them up or keep them), there are probably many different reasons for people to sign up, escaping debt, hits on their heads, wanting to start over, etc.

your comparison using the moon and ocean is a non fair comparison as we can return from the moon back to earth (and stay in contact with them), it would be more a fair comparison to compare getting the resources of the ocean or our own star system and us going to the nearest star system to get resources (although we need space to grow on more then resource in my opinion after all we are what 7 billion people now it's time to colonize other worlds now if we are to survive in this universe). however going to another star system in this point in time would be a dumb one for the same reasons the Ark Initiative are a dumb idea, it's not worth it for anyone at least not for the rest of the galaxy.

Not to mention the Ark initiative are lying through their teeth, because there is no way, people waste so much time, money and resources just to send people off on a 600 hundred journey and just be all like "Go off and have fun colonize, exploring and stuff " because that's a piss poor investment because there is no return on it at least for the first 1300 years and that's even assuming they'll be nice enough to send stuff back or even survive the journey.

I agree, there are many facets into the human explanation as to why we do something. Some people say we climb a mountain because it's there. Some people say we only desire that which we don't have. Some people say we need progress for progress' sake. What drives a person to do anything, can we ever know? We as a species have been trying to understand why we do things for millennia. So I guess in the game they exploit a certain person who is looking for a certain something and the Initiative's explanation is good enough for them.

I think your comparison to finding resources in another solar system is more fitting then the one I used for the moon. However, the Initiative is still there and they're still going to Andromeda. So we have a month or so until we see how they explain it all.

No worries about the offense, it's my fault for bringing it up.

[TheodoricFriede]

Also this isnt a surprise but Peebee was conformed as a romance option. They didnt say for who, but shes an asari. Its safe to assume shes the Bisexual option.

[SciFlyBoy]

Also this isnt a surprise but Peebee was conformed as a romance option. They didnt say for who, but shes an asari. Its safe to assume shes the Bisexual option.

When did games become about the romance option? I started DA 2 picking which one I wanted to bang then took it from there.

[TheodoricFriede]

Because it makes it more personal.

To quote Mordin in Mass Effect 2, its "Hard to anthropomorphize galaxy." I dont particularly care about the fate of the human race when i play Mass Effect or Dragon Age. Whatever happens, the story goes on.

I can, however, care about the fate of Hawke and Merrill, or Shepard and Tali. I have a vested interest in getting them a happy ending. If the rest of the universe is on fire, but I got my pairing out alive and together, I have succeeded.

[SciFlyBoy]

I have a vested interest in getting them a happy ending. If the rest of the universe is on fire, but I got my pairing out alive and together, I have succeeded.

Yeah, that didn't happen to me. Had to fight the big horned dude and just couldn't win and my LI hates me more than anything now. I think she's going to kill me.

[TTTX]

I agree, there are many facets into the human explanation as to why we do something. Some people say we climb a mountain because it's there. Some people say we only desire that which we don't have. Some people say we need progress for progress' sake. What drives a person to do anything, can we ever know? We as a species have been trying to understand why we do things for millennia. So I guess in the game they exploit a certain person who is looking for a certain something and the Initiative's explanation is good enough for them.

I think your comparison to finding resources in another solar system is more fitting then the one I used for the moon. However, the Initiative is still there and they're still going to Andromeda. So we have a month or so until we see how they explain it all.

No worries about the offense, it's my fault for bringing it up.

If we go by history, big things like Ark initiative it's always to gain something at for the people behind those kind of things.

I hope it's an realistic reason and not an idealistic one.

well that's good.

[TheodoricFriede]

Apparently recent evidence suggests that Peebee and Jaal are bisexual.

Someone who has "leaked" this stuff in the past went to an exposition in which Bioware was showing how they have bisexual and gay romance options available.

Among those shown was Peebee with both male and female, and as of then unidentified bluish alien (Jaal) with a male and female, and a Hispanic fellow (who apparently didnt look like Liam) as a gay option.

All of this 2 for 2 fits with my pessimistic "Actual Prediction" for the romance options.

[Azint]

Does anyone else here actually want Andromeda to do well? I stopped caring about the LGBT business, as long as it does not interfere with delivering an exceptional product, unlike DA:I. I was cynical at first, but I genuinely want to enjoy a new Mass Effect game. I want Andromeda to do well, and for Bioware to become a top-shelf studio.

I mean, I have only been a part of this very same community for 7 years.

[DarkStorm]

I'm not hoping it fails, I just not putting a lot of faith into it till I hear some legit stuff from playing who actually play the game.

[TheodoricFriede]

My confidence, right now, Is shot.

maybe ill be more confident later.

I want it to be good, but I dont think i will ever get the same love out of the series, or any bioware game, as i used to.

[Someone With Mass]

Does anyone else here actually want Andromeda to do well? I stopped caring about the LGBT business, as long as it does not interfere with delivering an exceptional product, unlike DA:I. I was cynical at first, but I genuinely want to enjoy a new Mass Effect game. I want Andromeda to do well, and for Bioware to become a top-shelf studio.

I mean, I have only been a part of this very same community for 7 years.

Sure, I want a Mass Effect game and a new start just as much as the next guy, but there are so many details in this game that just feels wrong, like the fact that it takes place before the events of ME3 instead of after. It's a constant reminder that BioWare seemingly can't get past the endings and it irks me. I know that it might be a misconception since I don't know all the facts, but the initial impression matters a lot and they didn't make a good one. Shit, it makes me crave for a fresh start more than anything.

I've also never cared about people's sexual orientation, since it isn't/shouldn't be what defines their character. Otherwise, it'll come across as a weak cry for attention and just make me roll my eyes.

[Riptide]

Does anyone else here actually want Andromeda to do well? I stopped caring about the LGBT business, as long as it does not interfere with delivering an exceptional product, unlike DA:I. I was cynical at first, but I genuinely want to enjoy a new Mass Effect game. I want Andromeda to do well, and for Bioware to become a top-shelf studio.

I mean, I have only been a part of this very same community for 7 years.

Of course I want it to do well.

But the problem is that it's overshadowed by ME3's ending. Worse than that, Andromeda only exists BECAUSE of ME3's ending. Logically, I understand why they went the direction they did and I don't hold that against them.

I want a fun space adventure that takes place in the Mass Effect universe. The problem is, this is a very, very distant portion of that universe. I'm willing to play it for what it is, and I hope it's successful.

But whether or not I'm able to enjoy it personally is going to depend on a lot of factors. I imagine a lot of long time fans will feel the same.

[TTTX]

Does anyone else here actually want Andromeda to do well? I stopped caring about the LGBT business, as long as it does not interfere with delivering an exceptional product, unlike DA:I. I was cynical at first, but I genuinely want to enjoy a new Mass Effect game. I want Andromeda to do well, and for Bioware to become a top-shelf studio.

I mean, I have only been a part of this very same community for 7 years.

I would rather have the game be good and feel like ME, then it selling well.

[Alienmorph]

I want it to do well, but for good reasons, not just because it has Mass Effect in the title, and you can bang alot of aliens... although the latter IS a selling point.

All I've seen so far has been alot of version 2.0. of older characters, another artifact hunt, lots of giant mechanical space monsters and more AI shenanigans. You want it to be a fresh start, to be different? Fine. THEN MAKE IT DIFFERENT.

And don't give that Force Awakens crap again, Mass Effect has not been around so much you need to bank on nostalgia, and even tho I despise ME3 as an whole at this point (aside from a few things) there are alot of people that loves it, and consider only the last 5 minutes of it to be utter shit. BW didn't need to do a glorified remake of the first game to bank on nostalgia and prove that "they get it". And if that's what we're getting, I don't really want them to get encouraged to make more of the same.

[Dragaros]

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[TTTX]

If the pyjak is anything like the robo dog for the collectors edition of ME3, it's going to be a very boring pet.

[TheodoricFriede]

[Peebee information]

God...

I absolutely hate her. Like Sera levels of hate immediately.

[Alienmorph]

So she's a bratty pubescent Asari who think the galaxy is not big enough for her? Fucking really?!

Never thought I say this but... can we get Liara back? Please?

[TheodoricFriede]

I didnt know how good I had it with Samara.

[Someone With Mass]

Shit, I'd take one of those generic-looking asari commandos from ME1 instead of her.

Also, there are so many conflicting ways she's described. She's described as a loner type. On an expedition where teamwork is key. But she's "bubbly and quirky". What. Loners tend to keep to themselves and focus on their work, not crack jokes at every opportunity possible.

[Alienmorph]

It's like they couldn't decide what kind of Mary Sue she's gonna be, so they trown in abit of everything.

I do hope there's a Suicide Mission-like endgame. And that I can send her into the vents or some shit.

[Vol]

I'm having a really hard time telling if she's Sera Part 2, like I fear, or a quirky rogue, the sorta charming kind, which I hope for. Really need some dialogue at this point. I'm recalling ME2 team descriptions, and they weren't too accurate with the eventual perception, so don't read too much into it.

@SWM: Think of an eccentric scientist, sorta like Mordin, but less humanitarian.

[TheodoricFriede]

I can see it now...

Some Corporate Guy: Patherfinder, we may not necessarily agree on everything, but a strategic alliance would be mutually beneficial for all parti--

Peebee: FUCK YOU NO!!!! *shoots him in the head*

Pathfinder: What the fuck?!

Peebee: Did i do good? I did good right?! LOOOOOVE MEEEE!!!"

[Alienmorph]

I can see it now...

Some Corporate Guy: Patherfinder, we may not necessarily agree on everything, but a strategic alliance would be mutually beneficial for all parti--

Peebee: FUCK YOU NO!!!! *shoots him in the head*

Pathfinder: What the fuck?!

Peebee: Did i do good? I did good right?! LOOOOOVE MEEEE!!!"

[TTTX]

I'm having a really hard time telling if she's Sera Part 2, like I fear, or a quirky rogue, the sorta charming kind, which I hope for. Really need some dialogue at this point. I'm recalling ME2 team descriptions, and they weren't too accurate with the eventual perception, so don't read too much into it.

@SWM: Think of an eccentric scientist, sorta like Mordin, but less humanitarian.

Mordin wasn't a loner though.

[Azint]

I'm having a really hard time telling if she's Sera Part 2, like I fear, or a quirky rogue, the sorta charming kind, which I hope for. Really need some dialogue at this point. I'm recalling ME2 team descriptions, and they weren't too accurate with the eventual perception, so don't read too much into it.

@SWM: Think of an eccentric scientist, sorta like Mordin, but less humanitarian.

They described Mordin as a sort of Clint Eastwood character during the pre-release, which ended up being completely wrong. Hopefully we get the same case and for the better.

[TheodoricFriede]

They described Mordin as a sort of Clint Eastwood character during the pre-release, which ended up being completely wrong. Hopefully we get the same case and for the better.

To be fair, they were more a visual thing than a personality thing, and i think visually he does actually look like a salarian Clint Eastwood.

[Vol]

Mordin wasn't a loner though.

I don't think Peebee will be a loner either, but someone less socially inclined. Or something. It's difficulty to parse without hearing or seeing her in action.

They described Mordin as a sort of Clint Eastwood character during the pre-release, which ended up being completely wrong. Hopefully we get the same case and for the better.

To be fair, they were more a visual thing than a personality thing, and i think visually he does actually look like a salarian Clint Eastwood.

Did they say visual? Because I can see it, though "grizzled" would be more than enough, and I know I saw them mention Eastwood at some vague point.

Jack turned out to be way less crazier than she was hyped up to be. Same with Thane.

[Zero Suit Rosalina]

I love how they try to do something different with an Asari
follower and this is what they come up with lol.

Shit, I'd take one of those generic-looking asari commandos from ME1 instead of her.

She can come with the same 4-5 crappy lines in combat and I'll still take her.

I'll definitely take back Laura. At least she was slightly nice to look at in ME3.

Edit: That pathfinder casual jacket looks like shit. Give me back my N7 hoodie.

[Riptide]

They wanted to do something similar with an asari and they literally did Liara. A young loner type archeologist.

The sad thing? Cora will probably be a better asari character, and she's a fucking human.

[Someone With Mass]

Yeah, none of the deluxe edition items interest me either. The weapons look like they're just reskinned versions of weapons that'll probably show up anyway and the scavenger armor looks meh.

Speaking of weapons, I hope they've finally made it so that the characters hold SMGs properly instead of doing it in a pistol fashion.

[TheodoricFriede]

Did they say visual? Because I can see it, though "grizzled" would be more than enough, and I know I saw them mention Eastwood at some vague point.

Supposedly his first concept art was him dressed as The Man With No Name and squinting.

[TTTX]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLvMieeVGm0

[Dragaros]

"May i ask a question? Is Peebee younger then Liara was in ME1?" "Peebee is about the same age as Liara was. But her 100 & change years have been lived very differently."

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8qBjaK8jOg

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvgdR6i8Si8

[Dragaros]

'Expanse' Co-Creator Ty Franck On Writing, 'Star Citizen' and Why He Hated 'Mass Effect 3'

[Dragaros]

A fanmade chart for a Suicide Mission style ME3 ending

[Someone With Mass]

'Expanse' Co-Creator Ty Franck On Writing, 'Star Citizen' and Why He Hated 'Mass Effect 3'

Man, that's some delicious click-bait.

In short, he hated Mass effect 3 for the same reason any other sane person would. The endings took a shit on the promises and failed to deliver anything good.

[Raga]

Does anyone else here actually want Andromeda to do well? I stopped caring about the LGBT business, as long as it does not interfere with delivering an exceptional product, unlike DA:I. I was cynical at first, but I genuinely want to enjoy a new Mass Effect game. I want Andromeda to do well, and for Bioware to become a top-shelf studio.

I mean, I have only been a part of this very same community for 7 years.

I want it to do well. I am cautiously optimistic. A lot depends on the LIs. Silly or not my overall enjoyment of Bioware games is directly proportional to the quality of the LIs available. The rest is dependent on how good the characters in your squad are. DAI was adequate in that regard but hardly stellar.

[Vol]

One of the BSN spinoff sites shows up as a top result for "Clan Zorah" on Bing. The thread in question? Thundertactic's Tali sweat post.

2017, and it still gets traction. I'm honestly impressed, and mildly annoyed.

[TTTX]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83JxqKVs1kw&list=WL&index=12

[Someone With Mass]

To be fair, the dark energy plot turned out to be pretty stupid. Almost dumber than the whole Crucible thing and it takes some serious effort and commitment to be that stupid.

[TTTX]

To be fair, the dark energy plot turned out to be pretty stupid. Almost dumber than the whole Crucible thing and it takes some serious effort and commitment to be that stupid.

Well most of the main plot in ME2 went too so it fits.

[SciFlyBoy]

Well most of the main plot in ME2 went too so it fits.

But doesn't it have to be to be exciting? I get there are issues with story telling, but if games like ME had the most superb best writing with no flaws and was totally relevant with no holes or missights, would that even make for an exciting game? Maybe and it could be pulled off, but how many times could it be done? Like, look at the HISHE movies, how boring would some of these movies be if the plot could have been solved in 2 minutes? I think there has to be some measure of stupid in a story because how else could there be excitement? I think that reflects real life more than some perfect story. Anyone ever had something exciting happen to them because something stupid happened or someone they know did something dumb? Some of the best comedies have been just that.

[TTTX]

But doesn't it have to be to be exciting? I get there are issues with story telling, but if games like ME had the most superb best writing with no flaws and was totally relevant with no holes or missights, would that even make for an exciting game? Maybe and it could be pulled off, but how many times could it be done? Like, look at the HISHE movies, how boring would some of these movies be if the plot could have been solved in 2 minutes? I think there has to be some measure of stupid in a story because how else could there be excitement? I think that reflects real life more than some perfect story. Anyone ever had something exciting happen to them because something stupid happened or someone they know did something dumb? Some of the best comedies have been just that.

Oh I don't have much of an issue with the story of ME2 (except for Shepard isn't important to this plot and the plot would really be find without them in it, it would make the story make a lot more sense if Shepard wasn't the playable character in ME2 and ME2 not have ME2 in the title), the problem is that it's the second game in trilogy and is suppose to bring the story forward and not take it back to square one.

ME2 story is a great spin off game story, but as the middel game in a trilogy it's beyond terrible from a story point of view.

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzogte8ZGDM

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihl3arB9A5I