Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

[Mobius_118]

WAIT

I was wrong. Meant that 30,000 a year.

[SciFlyBoy]

It's not about comparing them to other jobs, it's about comparing the weight of their own job to the rewards they should get.

Now obviously this is assuming the officer in question is as good as we'd expect an officer to be. If they meet that standard then they honestly will be doing their job to the utmost of their ability. And their job is a dangerous one.

I think that is all balanced out by having a pension, which officers in my state do, as well as teachers and public employees. Hell, most of my state's budget is just to cover the cost of their pensions.

Mobius_118 wrote:
I was barely making 30,000 a month as a Soldier, at Specialist.

Fucking travesty.

See that's where military spending should go, to the soldiers, their care and aftercare.
At least a bit more than already does.

Well, you could argue that money spent on better equipment means the better chances of soldiers getting less injured. I don't know about military careers because only half my family served in the military, but only for their required duties. They quickly got out and got jobs, so I don' t know what the pay is like or military benefits. Besides quarters, food and such.

[TheodoricFriede]

Its a government job. Most likely its all made in benefits.

[Mobius_118]

Basically after taxes, meal plan that we can't opt out of, and whatnot...Your average Private was getting 600 a paycheck back.

By the end of my contract was making 1200 a check, only because I opted out of the meal plan. I was never on post long enough to take advantage of the dining facility.

Our medical care was...drink water, take some tylenol. I popped my knee cap out of place and I got little more than some OTC drugs for the swelling.

We're treated like dogshit for low pay and a country that notionally supports us until we say something they don't like.

But it's paying for college now, so there's that.

[SciFlyBoy]

Both my parents were nurses in the Air Force. I'll have to ask them what military medicine was like.

On an unrelated note, I'm still trying to get my smog certification passed. I have three of the four sensors cleared, but the oxygen heat sensor hasn't turned on yet. Been well over a week and a half, 300 miles and a full tank. Even took it to my dealership who has a guy who drives engine cycles specifically for smog checks and had it there for two days. At lunch today I turned my engine on and ran the defrost, A/C and rear defrost for 20 mins while I read a book. 'A Walk In The Woods' by Bill Bryson, if you're curious.

[Someone With Mass]

I can see why sports players that are representing a country get a lot of money since their faces will be seen everywhere and on everything, but when a soldier or a police officer earn less or just as much as less risky jobs like a clarinet player do, then people probably won't go for those careers unless they have a urgent sense of duty or need to help other people or something like that. At least, I wouldn't. Not that I can become a police officer or soldier, anyway.

That's probably one of the reasons why there's a noticeable lack of teachers, doctors and police officers here, since they don't earn more than a much simpler/risk-free job does.

[TheodoricFriede]

but when a soldier or a police officer earn less or just as much as less risky jobs

Id just like to point out that more people die every year collecting garbage than police officers.

[DarkStorm]

Fuck sport players they shouldnt be getting the money they are, for fucking kicking balls around.

[TheodoricFriede]

Fuck sport players they shouldnt be getting the money they are, for fucking kicking balls around.

I mean, theyre basically making as much as any entertainer that hit the big time.

[Someone With Mass]

but when a soldier or a police officer earn less or just as much as less risky jobs

Id just like to point out that more people die every year collecting garbage than police officers.

Here, that is compensated with a pretty hefty paycheck. If it wasn't for the smell, I'd drive a garbage truck with no objections.

[TheodoricFriede]

Here, that is compensated with a pretty hefty paycheck. If it wasn't for the smell, I'd drive a garbage truck with no objections.

Here its a government job. You dont make much in cash, but its made up for in benefits.

[Mobius_118]

If you're in a high risk job, you should be paid more than some burger flipper at McDonalds.

I'm not saying they shouldn't make a living wage, they're performing a service as well. But being a Soldier then going into Law Enforcement, you should be making more than just barely enough to get over the poverty line, devotion to duty or no.

[Someone With Mass]

If you're in a high risk job, you should be paid more than some burger flipper at McDonalds.

I'm not saying they shouldn't make a living wage, they're performing a service as well. But being a Soldier then going into Law Enforcement, you should be making more than just barely enough to get over the poverty line, devotion to duty or no.

Especially when the military career is more physically (and sometimes mentally) demanding than most average joe jobs.

[SciFlyBoy]

I don't think policing should be a 'in it for the reward' kind of a job, like crab fishermen. There's no talent involved with policing or firefighting, unlike entertainment or sports. How many people can do the job of a policeman versus the job of a crab fisherman or clarinetist or basketball player?

For one thing, I personally know that if the clarinetist plays two wrong notes, they're fired, so it's a job where absolute perfection is required, unlike sports. How many shots did the best sports player ever miss?

My dad has had guns and knives pointed at him, but I didn't see anyone arguing that nurses should get paid more and he actually really saved lives and help bring people back to life.

In the end it's a job. We all have them. Some of us create our own job and make as much as we want. Some of us don't care and just want work to do. Some of us want more. They're all valid. And on top if it all, it's an argument that will never end.

[Someone With Mass]

Well, I'd argue that a police officer should know how to defuse a situation without having to reach for their weapons. That takes at least a little social talent.

With exceptions, of course.

[Mobius_118]

It takes a lot more fortitude to be able to fight after infiltrating 12 miles into enemy territory carrying 150 pounds worth of gear, ammunition, and various weapon systems.

Then you get to walk back. Whether or not you're carrying your dead is dependent on them being able to survive the fight. Then you get some chow, rearm, maybe grab some rack time and do it again.

And we get paid peanuts compared to a sandwich artist at subway.

Something is amiss. Despite Theo's disregard for military personnel, the fact he's able to say such shittery is because my predecessors saw it fit to fight against tyranny and oppression.

We should be paid more.

[TheodoricFriede]

Well, I'd argue that a police officer should know how to defuse a situation without having to reach for their weapons. That takes at least a little social talent.

With exceptions, of course.

They just shoot people here.

[Mobius_118]

I don't think policing should be a 'in it for the reward' kind of a job, like crab fishermen. There's no talent involved with policing or firefighting, unlike entertainment or sports. How many people can do the job of a policeman versus the job of a crab fisherman or clarinetist or basketball player?

For one thing, I personally know that if the clarinetist plays two wrong notes, they're fired, so it's a job where absolute perfection is required, unlike sports. How many shots did the best sports player ever miss?

My dad has had guns and knives pointed at him, but I didn't see anyone arguing that nurses should get paid more and he actually really saved lives and help bring people back to life.

In the end it's a job. We all have them. Some of us create our own job and make as much as we want. Some of us don't care and just want work to do. Some of us want more. They're all valid. And on top if it all, it's an argument that will never end.

Well the reward aspect determining pay would be used as an incentive to stay at it.

And there's a large amount of talent involved in policing, firefighting, and military work. To have social skills, tact, professionalism, and sheer physical ability is huge. There's a reason I'm classified as a warrior athlete. No matter the situation I got it done.

It's not point and click, it's actually being able to shoot, move, communicate concisely with high efficiency. In policing it's ensuring the people are obeying the law and serving said people with equal application of the law no matter their standing. With firefighting it's enduring the enormous stress of saving people and fighting a massive blaze.

Saying that there's no talent involved is an insult.

[Someone With Mass]

They just shoot people here.

Yeah and any dumbass can do that if you live in a state where people have the right to defend themselves.

[Mobius_118]

They just shoot people here.

Must be a Texas thing.

Here the police are generally affable people who respect the law and the people. We've had a few incidents but overall the police up here handle most high stress situations with words, dontcha know?

However when it comes to violence we're far more precise. The training is far more intensive for conflict resolution. This summer I'll be taking part in the Police Explorers, a training program to help green officers deal with training in a realistic environment. That's a requirement for my degree.

[TheodoricFriede]

They just shoot people here.

Yeah and any dumbass can do that if you live in a state where people have the right to defend themselves.

And if any dumbass can get a job, its probably not worth that much of a salary.

[Someone With Mass]

And if any dumbass can get a job, its probably not worth that much of a salary.

But then you run the risk of punishing the competent workers. Not sure if there's a gray area, though.

[TheodoricFriede]

But then you run the risk of punishing the competent workers. Not sure if there's a gray area, though.

You can be the best in the world at being semi-fit, occasionally push a pencil, and be willing to follow orders, but in the end all you are good at is being fit, pushing a pencil, and following orders.

Plus they do make more money. In benefits. Healthcare, pensions, stuff like that.

[SciFlyBoy]

And there's a large amount of talent involved in policing, firefighting, and military work. To have social skills, tact, professionalism, and sheer physical ability is huge. There's a reason I'm classified as a warrior athlete. No matter the situation I got it done.

It's not point and click, it's actually being able to shoot, move, communicate concisely with high efficiency. In policing it's ensuring the people are obeying the law and serving said people with equal application of the law no matter their standing. With firefighting it's enduring the enormous stress of saving people and fighting a massive blaze.

Saying that there's no talent involved is an insult.

Well, it's not talent, but conditioning isn't it? How many people are able to enter the military each year with no knowledge and skill and how many are able to be conditioned to do the job? And it happens over and over and over every year, otherwise we wouldn't have a military today. I think the amount of people who can be conditioned into a job is far greater then people who are able to hone a talent. Not saying someone who is conditioned can't find talent in what they're doing or are untalented.

I compare that against how many people can be handed an instrument and make music out of it. I think that number is far smaller. And that's my life, I chose it when I was a teenager and became all too aware of how talent plays into a career. That's my personal feelings on talent since it's an important factor in what I do.

[Mobius_118]

It's a mix of both.

But you can't be a leader without some latent talent inside. Most military have that leadership quality already. The majority of people who only go one contract don't have that, and end up doing something completely different. I got out due to injury, yet I'm swinging right back into a demanding job involving the protection of the people. I had a natural talent influencing even the most stubborn of soldier to do as he's told. I would've made a great NCO and I kind of regret not staying in.

But that's neither here nor there.

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_AbMKJbNEc

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZJ9_FNZRc4

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG3nb7Oam4k

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXhWYxAuG-o

[SciFlyBoy]

It's a mix of both.

But you can't be a leader without some latent talent inside. Most military have that leadership quality already. The majority of people who only go one contract don't have that, and end up doing something completely different. I got out due to injury, yet I'm swinging right back into a demanding job involving the protection of the people. I had a natural talent influencing even the most stubborn of soldier to do as he's told. I would've made a great NCO...

My abilities to influence others hovers around nil. I lack the charisma and abilities to effectively connect with an individual on that kind of level. I'm more of a behind the scenes kind of character myself. I'll have others do my expressing for me.

[Dragaros]

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Just 3 more days...

[Dragaros]

A PRIMARCH REBORN.

AND HE IS PISSED.

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The Saga of Guilliman

[Vol]

Wohoo! The rowboat is being manned! About damn time the Imperium got a shot in the arm that can affect actual change.

[Rune]

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[Alienmorph]

A PRIMARCH REBORN.
AND HE IS PISSED.

This is gonna be so, so sweet. Imagine the Ecclesiarcy trying to argue Imperial Canon with a fucking PRIMARCH... it'd be like a religious nut wanting to talk scriptures with one of the Apostles. Except the person in questo is also a super-human demi-god with a giant holy sword and 10k years of frustration to shrug off his shoulders. I can't wait to see what Guillamon is gonna do!

And yes glad you're Ok Vol, sorry I didn't say anything before. Last couple days I've been abit "distracted" by stuff =p

[SciFlyBoy]

I think I might have an issue with cheese. Lately I haven't been eating any because of my diet, but occasionally I'll put a slice on something and the next day I just have terrible bowel movements. Used to eat it a lot, but now that it's kind of sparse I'm seeing some results that are troubling. Hopefully it's not the case. I love cheese.

[Vol]

Thank you, Rune, Alien. My breathing has been going wonky all day, but since I know now what is actually happening, I can control it at least. No idea why my body is freaking out given the relative lack of stress, but so it goes. Maybe some deadlifts will help.

@Alien: I'm picturing ole' Rowboat coming to terms with the fact that the Imperial Truth is about the only thing keeping mankind together. That and he'll probably demand to see the Emperor, I have a gut feeling about that.

@Sci: Lactose intolerance? White folks have the mutation to handle dairy better as we mature, but I know when I stopped dairy (Not on purpose) in college for a while, it took some...difficulties...to get my tolerance back up.

[Riptide]

Thank you, Rune, Alien. My breathing has been going wonky all day, but since I know now what is actually happening, I can control it at least. No idea why my body is freaking out given the relative lack of stress, but so it goes. Maybe some deadlifts will help.

Sit with your back straight, close your eyes. Inhale slowly four seconds, hold your breath for four seconds, exhale for four seconds, do that for five minutes and don't think about anything other than feeling the air moving in and out of your body.

You'll feel better afterwards.

[TTTX]

Thank you, Rune, Alien. My breathing has been going wonky all day, but since I know now what is actually happening, I can control it at least. No idea why my body is freaking out given the relative lack of stress, but so it goes. Maybe some deadlifts will help.

Sit with your back straight, close your eyes. Inhale slowly four seconds, hold your breath for four seconds, exhale for four seconds, do that for five minutes and don't think about anything other than feeling the air moving in and out of your body.

You'll feel better afterwards.

and remember to wiggle your toes.

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUG5LUHlgq4

Go Scrooge!

[TTTX]

Go Scrooge!

You don't mess with Scrooge Goddamn Mcduck.

[Vol]

Sit with your back straight, close your eyes. Inhale slowly four seconds, hold your breath for four seconds, exhale for four seconds, do that for five minutes and don't think about anything other than feeling the air moving in and out of your body.

You'll feel better afterwards.

I mostly forced myself to breathe. Though the deadlifting did help, oddly enough.

Also did a simple bit of programming, since I haven't in such a long time. Inspired by a friend asking for help with their own.

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#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>

struct Currency{
const static char NUMTYPES = 4; //Adjust for halfdollar/dollar
char currency[NUMTYPES]; char *cNames[NUMTYPES];
char penny = 1; char *pN = "penny";
char nickel = 5; char *nN = "nickel";
char dime = 10; char *dN = "dime";
char quarter = 25; char *qN = "quarter";
//char halfdollar = 50; char *hdN = "half dollar";
//char dollar = 100; char *dN = "dollar coin";

void Populate() {
currency[0] = penny; cNames[0] = pN;
currency[1] = nickel; cNames[1] = nN;
currency[2] = dime; cNames[2] = dN;
currency[3] = quarter; cNames[3] = qN;
//currency[4] = halfdollar; cNames[4] = hdN;
//currency[5] = dollar; cNames[5] = dN;
}
};

void main() {
printf("Enter an amount in cents: ");
unsigned int amount = 0;
char buf[BUFSIZ] = { 0 };
fgets(buf, BUFSIZ, stdin);
amount = atoi(buf);

Currency coins;
coins.Populate();
unsigned int remainder = 0;
for (char i = coins.NUMTYPES-1; i >= 0; --i) {
remainder = amount%coins.currency[i];
printf("%i %s\n", (amount /= coins.currency[i]), coins.cNames[i]);
amount = remainder;
}
getchar();
}

C code, gives you the proper change for whatever number you put in. Ugly, but functional. Couldn't come up with a more elegant solution to the Struct off the top of my head.

[SciFlyBoy]

Also did a simple bit of programming, since I haven't in such a long time. Inspired by a friend asking for help with their own.

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#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>

struct Currency{
const static char NUMTYPES = 4; //Adjust for halfdollar/dollar
char currency[NUMTYPES]; char *cNames[NUMTYPES];
char penny = 1; char *pN = "penny";
char nickel = 5; char *nN = "nickel";
char dime = 10; char *dN = "dime";
char quarter = 25; char *qN = "quarter";
//char halfdollar = 50; char *hdN = "half dollar";
//char dollar = 100; char *dN = "dollar coin";

void Populate() {
currency[0] = penny; cNames[0] = pN;
currency[1] = nickel; cNames[1] = nN;
currency[2] = dime; cNames[2] = dN;
currency[3] = quarter; cNames[3] = qN;
//currency[4] = halfdollar; cNames[4] = hdN;
//currency[5] = dollar; cNames[5] = dN;
}
};

void main() {
printf("Enter an amount in cents: ");
unsigned int amount = 0;
char buf[BUFSIZ] = { 0 };
fgets(buf, BUFSIZ, stdin);
amount = atoi(buf);

Currency coins;
coins.Populate();
unsigned int remainder = 0;
for (char i = coins.NUMTYPES-1; i >= 0; --i) {
remainder = amount%coins.currency[i];
printf("%i %s\n", (amount /= coins.currency[i]), coins.cNames[i]);
amount = remainder;
}
getchar();
}

It's suppose to be a naked woman, right?

[Vol]

Ugly, but functional? Yes, it's just like a woman. BAM

[Riptide]

Ugly, but functional? Yes, it's just like a woman. BAM

Wow. Hurtful.

[Rune]

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[Vol]

@Rip: A pinch of pepper is vital to many delicious dishes.

@Rune: And those are some pretty, pretty boxes. They use a new socket type, right?

[Rune]

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[Vol]

Hm. Gotta upgrade the vid card first though. GTX1080 is getting a price cut to $500 or so because of the Ti, so depending on how hard the medical system fucks me on the ER bill, I'd like to upgrade before ME4. Any good benchmarks on the Ryzen out yet?

[Riptide]

@Rip: A pinch of pepper is vital to many delicious dishes.

Right, but it's the salt that'll give you a heart attack.