Bioware General (Mass Effect/Dragon Age/Other)

[Riptide]

"Maybe YOU are the last hope for quarians in Andromeda. Did you ever think of that?"

And their golden world is one we've seen in other places and it looks relatively unchanged from the initial image. I wouldn't be surprised if it's one of the few that ISNT fucked up, but maybe it's about to be and we have to defend it from the Kett and the Scourge.

Sure, im just questioning the decision in the first place.

How many planets did we scan in ME 1 and 2 that had something equivalent to, "This planet looked like a sure thing, but..."?

Dont get me wrong, I love turians and quarians, I want them around. It just seems like a horrible idea to put all your eggs in one basket, trillions of miles away, hoping to eat them 600 years from now.

I agree. Whoever thought the Andromeda Initiative was a good idea was nuts.

[Someone With Mass]

That video brings up a point i hadnt really thought of before.

there are 6 potential planets that the levo amino colonists can try to colonize, and there is no guarantee that any of those are viable.

The dextro colonists only have one.

If they arrive and something is wrong with that planet, they are completely boned.

They keep saying that they don't want to portray the Kett in a completely antagonistic way, but it's just not clicking for me. Unless I'm mistaken, they're occupying the Angaran's homeworld and they've apparently screwed up several habitable planets. Wouldn't surprise me if they'll try to do something to the only dextro planet in sight. Would be a good way to sabotage their enemy.

Also. Even more reasons to have guns on your ships.

[TheodoricFriede]

Also. Even more reasons to have guns on your ships.

Yeah that whole "out run everything" doesn't really have much meaning if you dont have a place to run to.

[TTTX]

I agree. Whoever thought the Andromeda Initiative was a good idea was nuts.

I think that was proven when we heard that we were going to a new galaxy + no weapons, on the ship and new mako pretty much just were the last nails in the coffin that proves that people in this project are rather nuts as the whole idea is rather dumb.

They are sounding rather like Cerberus in that aspect, although Cerberus wouldn't be dumb enough to not arm their ships and transport vehicles.

[Someone With Mass]

They are sounding rather like Cerberus in that aspect, although Cerberus wouldn't be dumb enough to not arm their ships and transport vehicles.

Cerberus would also have not been able to leave the Milky Way galaxy without somehow getting half the crew killed.

[Dragaros]

[Dragaros]

[TTTX]

The text pretty sure tells how much of a gamble the entire project is.

going to a place based on light 2.5 million years old is pretty much insane.

[Croatsky]

There should be a like button here, because Dragaros's post is extremely useful.

[Croatsky]

I agree. Whoever thought the Andromeda Initiative was a good idea was nuts.

I think that was proven when we heard that we were going to a new galaxy + no weapons, on the ship and new mako pretty much just were the last nails in the coffin that proves that people in this project are rather nuts as the whole idea is rather dumb.

They are sounding rather like Cerberus in that aspect, although Cerberus wouldn't be dumb enough to not arm their ships and transport vehicles.

Simple explanation. AI is a private organization. So like a typical corporation, they cut costs. Even at unreasonable places. Bureaucrats lack foresight afterall.

[Riptide]

The text pretty sure tells how much of a gamble the entire project is.

going to a place based on light 2.5 million years old is pretty much insane.

See, if you'd actually READ THE THING.

Yes, going to a place with survey data that is two and a half million years old is a colossally dumb idea, and Jien Garson obviously agreed.

Using the super mass effect corridor created by hot wiring three mass relays together let geth sensors get real time survey data of Heleus, though. It's lag free. Meaning the changes in when we left and when we got there are not two million years, but six hundred. Which, relatively speaking, isn't unreasonable.

The bit that interests me is why were the geth looking at Andromeda at all? They were using the thing to look for the Reapers, why did they survey the Heleus Cluster?

[Croatsky]

As I said on reddit:

But geth probably had a plan to jump ship and flee Milky Way for another place. Afterall, entire galaxy considered them as enemies and they knew Reapers were coming. Besides Geth Heretics, they realized they couldn't trust Reapers so their Dyson Sphere project was in jeopardy.

Maybe Geth had their own contingency plan to launch at least some of their units towards Andromeda in case they were threatened with extinction. Which is what happened in ME3, when Quarians managed to knock out geth and attacked them, forcing geth to ally with Reapers. Before they allied with Reapers, they could have first send a major expedition to escape to Andromeda.

So I think geth stumble upon the start clusters unusual amount of resources, so likely planned to contingency plan for geth to move to Andromeda if the worst is inevitable. Afterall, they were among the first to discover the Reapers and majority of geth realized they couldn't be trusted. Also the whole being considered enemies by entire Milky Way. So running for Andromeda while a long shot, it would have avoided their extinction.

Also, they want to build that Dyson Sphere. Without Mass Relays, rest of Andromeda Galactic civilization likely couldn't do anything to interfere their construction, or even know about them there at all.

[Riptide]

As I said on reddit:

But geth probably had a plan to jump ship and flee Milky Way for another place. Afterall, entire galaxy considered them as enemies and they knew Reapers were coming. Besides Geth Heretics, they realized they couldn't trust Reapers so their Dyson Sphere project was in jeopardy.

Maybe Geth had their own contingency plan to launch at least some of their units towards Andromeda in case they were threatened with extinction. Which is what happened in ME3, when Quarians managed to knock out geth and attacked them, forcing geth to ally with Reapers. Before they allied with Reapers, they could have first send a major expedition to escape to Andromeda.

So I think geth stumble upon the start clusters unusual amount of resources, so likely planned to contingency plan for geth to move to Andromeda if the worst is inevitable. Afterall, they were among the first to discover the Reapers and majority of geth realized they couldn't be trusted. Also the whole being considered enemies by entire Milky Way. So running for Andromeda while a long shot, it would have avoided their extinction.

Also, they want to build that Dyson Sphere. Without Mass Relays, rest of Andromeda Galactic civilization likely couldn't do anything to interfere their construction, or even know about them there at all.

It would make sense for them to survey Andromeda, see if there are signs of Reaper involvement in that galaxy, and upon finding none, they decide to jump ship. Sadly, one of the devs confirmed there will be no Geth in Andromeda "this time". Could be a cool DLC though.

I still think it might have had something to do with Dark Energy buildup. They might of been looking at other galaxies to see if they were having similar problems like what was happening to Haestrom.

[Alienmorph]

It does just sounds like a cheeky way to possibly retcon a Geth presence in Andromeda in future games or DLCs, really.

Which once again shows why I'm so lukewarm about Andromeda and the future games... you wanna do something new? JUST DO SOMETHING NEW, don't travel 2 million light-years just to have fancier-looking versions of the same stuff waiting there!

[Mazder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvzz0ksrLTQ And there we go, I admit it made me laugh.

What a smug pedantic fucker....

Yeah I am sure we're gonna spend the power to freeze more water in space when we could get more ice instead that is already bloody frozen.
If you stop to think for five seconds on what they're using the ice for then it's not retarded to assume they actually need both.

I freaking hate smudboy...

[Croatsky]

It would make sense for them to survey Andromeda, see if there are signs of Reaper involvement in that galaxy, and upon finding none, they decide to jump ship. Sadly, one of the devs confirmed there will be no Geth in Andromeda "this time". Could be a cool DLC though.

I still think it might have had something to do with Dark Energy buildup. They might of been looking at other galaxies to see if they were having similar problems like what was happening to Haestrom.

Thing is, geth had put a lot of effort to scan that star cluster.

It is quite obvious Reapers wouldn't hide in a cluster that can flourish in life and get caught off guard while in sleep mode.

Why would geth care to survey that far away start cluster unless they caught something very interesting not related in their Reaper search.


But yeah, unless devs are fucking with us, geth will not be in ME:A on release. But as DLC or in sequel, possibility.

[Riptide]

It would make sense for them to survey Andromeda, see if there are signs of Reaper involvement in that galaxy, and upon finding none, they decide to jump ship. Sadly, one of the devs confirmed there will be no Geth in Andromeda "this time". Could be a cool DLC though.

I still think it might have had something to do with Dark Energy buildup. They might of been looking at other galaxies to see if they were having similar problems like what was happening to Haestrom.

Thing is, geth had put a lot of effort to scan that star cluster.

It is quite obvious Reapers wouldn't hide in a cluster that can flourish in life and get caught off guard while in sleep mode.

Why would geth care to survey that far away start cluster unless they caught something very interesting not related in their Reaper search.


But yeah, unless devs are fucking with us, geth will not be in ME:A on release. But as DLC or in sequel, possibility.

Well, they were looking for Reapers in dark space, but they might of been looking for Reapers in Andromeda, not in sleep mode, but seeing if they were harvesting in that galaxy, too.

[Croatsky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvzz0ksrLTQ And there we go, I admit it made me laugh.

What a smug pedantic fucker....

Yeah I am sure we're gonna spend the power to freeze more water in space when we could get more ice instead that is already bloody frozen.
If you stop to think for five seconds on what they're using the ice for then it's not retarded to assume they actually need both.

I freaking hate smudboy...

Bioware worked closely with space experts and scientists while designing and writing ME:A. I am pretty damn sure they got well informed on many details like searching for ice instead of needing to use build machines and use fuel to create new ice while in early stages of colonization.

Afterall, it will take decades for AI to build a proper self-sufficient urban city. Refrigerators on massive scales we have on Earth today are a luxury AI can't afford to manufacture until they settle in and first generations are born and grown up.

[Croatsky]

Well, they were looking for Reapers in dark space, but they might of been looking for Reapers in Andromeda, not in sleep mode, but seeing if they were harvesting in that galaxy, too.

True, but they didn't need to take that much of effort to survey an isolated star cluster from Andromeda galaxy.

Geth had to have found an additional interest. But whatever that is, we won't know until game is out and probably not even until DLC or sequel.

[Riptide]

True, but they didn't need to take that much of effort to survey an isolated star cluster from Andromeda galaxy.

Geth had to have found an additional interest. But whatever that is, we won't know until game is out and probably not even until DLC or sequel.

Agreed.

[Someone With Mass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvzz0ksrLTQ And there we go, I admit it made me laugh.

What a smug pedantic fucker....

Yeah I am sure we're gonna spend the power to freeze more water in space when we could get more ice instead that is already bloody frozen.
If you stop to think for five seconds on what they're using the ice for then it's not retarded to assume they actually need both.

I freaking hate smudboy...

But if he devoted any thoughts to his videos, then he wouldn't be a view whore. Never mind that solids are much more easier to handle in space and mining for ice foremost would be much more efficient when developing cryogenic fuels like liquid hydrogen, since you wouldn't need as much energy to lower their temperature when nature can help you along the way.

I learned that by reading The Martian.

Also, the Normandy runs on hydrogen. I'll assume that the Tempest does the same.

[TTTX]

See, if you'd actually READ THE THING.

Yes, going to a place with survey data that is two and a half million years old is a colossally dumb idea, and Jien Garson obviously agreed.

Using the super mass effect corridor created by hot wiring three mass relays together let geth sensors get real time survey data of Heleus, though. It's lag free. Meaning the changes in when we left and when we got there are not two million years, but six hundred. Which, relatively speaking, isn't unreasonable.

The bit that interests me is why were the geth looking at Andromeda at all? They were using the thing to look for the Reapers, why did they survey the Heleus Cluster?

I wonder how the hell the geth managed to moved those three relays together, they aren't exactly small.

maybe, but those calculations better be very good considering the giant black hole there is close by.

probably just to give the developers an excuse to bring the geth over in ME:A in DLC or sequel.

It does just sounds like a cheeky way to possibly retcon a Geth presence in Andromeda in future games or DLCs, really.

Which once again shows why I'm so lukewarm about Andromeda and the future games... you wanna do something new? JUST DO SOMETHING NEW, don't travel 2 million light-years just to have fancier-looking versions of the same stuff waiting there!

Yeah, everything is like a reboot without really being a reboot, from what we have heard anyway.

What a smug pedantic fucker....

Yeah I am sure we're gonna spend the power to freeze more water in space when we could get more ice instead that is already bloody frozen.
If you stop to think for five seconds on what they're using the ice for then it's not retarded to assume they actually need both.

I freaking hate smudboy...

technically you don't have to use power to freeze water, you could put it in a container and put it out in space (After all it's very cold in space) and wait for it to freeze for a few hours

[Mazder]

technically you don't have to use power to freeze water, you could put it in a container and put it out in space (After all it's very cold in space) and wait for it to freeze for a few hours

You'd still need a way of holding it in space without letting space in, it's still a pointless exercise when they could just find fresh ice.

ALSO ice in space isn't just H2O. There are usually lots of other gasses and minerals in between the ice sheets. minerals and gasses that are toxic to humans/people in large quantities. It takes energy to refine and filter out the pure H2O from the rest of the crap for drinking water.
Finding fresh water and ice for cryo-sleep in separate quantities is not that far-fetched.

[Someone With Mass]

technically you don't have to use power to freeze water, you could put it in a container and put it out in space (After all it's very cold in space) and wait for it to freeze for a few hours

Considering the large quantities (talking several hundred metric tons) of ice that'd be required to make this whole thing a viable option, I'd say that it's almost easier to go look for natural ice in space rather than wasting energy making it yourself.

[TTTX]

You'd still need a way of holding it in space without letting space in, it's still a pointless exercise when they could just find fresh ice.

ALSO ice in space isn't just H2O. There are usually lots of other gasses and minerals in between the ice sheets. minerals and gasses that are toxic to humans/people in large quantities. It takes energy to refine and filter out the pure H2O from the rest of the crap for drinking water.
Finding fresh water and ice for cryo-sleep in separate quantities is not that far-fetched.

handles and a rope. Space is big finding stuff is hard and that ice isn't fresh it's been around since it was formed with rest of the cluster which is probably billions of years ago, but the AI do have the advantage of having an idea on where to look and don't have to go to other clusters in order to search for ice.

then the video shouldn't have said "we need ice" but what kind of ice they need. Because if they just need H2O ice they could just go to the golden worlds and get it there.

Considering the large quantities (talking several hundred metric tons) of ice that'd be required to make this whole thing a viable option, I'd say that it's almost easier to go look for natural ice in space rather than wasting the energy.

why do they even need ice if they have water? you still going to use fuel just to find it not to mention have to mine and a lot of other stuff even if you find a ice in space that's a lot of time and energy you need to in order to use it.

Water frozen is ice (and yes it will take energy, but it wouldn't be anymore then go out looking for asteroids to mine for ice) unless they specifically need space ice because of some minerals there are in it, in that case it changes everything.

It's like going to a chemist saying "I need acid", yeah but what kind of acid? weak or mild or strong and are you looking for a specific acid?

[Mazder]

handles and a rope. Space is big finding stuff is hard and that ice isn't fresh it's been around since it was formed with rest of the cluster which is probably billions of years ago, but the AI do have the advantage of having an idea on where to look and don't have to go to other clusters in order to search for ice.

then the video shouldn't have said "we need ice" but what kind of ice they need. Because if they just need H2O ice they could just go to the golden worlds and get it there.

Please tell me how we hold liquid water outside a ship with rope.

Ice is way more common than you think.
And shipping water isn't easy.

[TTTX]

Please tell me how we hold liquid water outside a ship with rope.

Ice is way more common than you think.
And shipping water isn't easy.

Put the water in a container with handles then tied the rope to the container handles and ship there simple.

yes, but the AI already know where there is liquid water on the various golden worlds.
shipping water is just as a easy as shipping ice just put it in a container and ship it.

[Mazder]

Put the water in a container with handles then tied the rope to the container handles and ship there simple.

yes, but the AI already know where there is liquid water on the various golden worlds.
shipping water is just as a easy as shipping ice just put it in a container and ship it.

And how are you going to keep the atmosphere inside the ship once this MASSIVE gap has been opened in the ship or station? / And how are you going to keep the water from floating out of the container?


No, water is MUCH heavier than ice.
So much denser, it'd be harder to ship the same volume of fresh water than ice, especially if they have to take off from in atmosphere.
Going to an asteroid and picking up some ice is a lot easier to use for cryo stuff, so they wouldn't need to worry.

[Someone With Mass]

Considering the large quantities (talking several hundred metric tons) of ice that'd be required to make this whole thing a viable option, I'd say that it's almost easier to go look for natural ice in space rather than wasting the energy.

why do they even need ice if they have water? you still going to use fuel just to find it not to mention have to mine and a lot of other stuff even if you find a ice in space that's a lot of time and energy you need to in order to use it.

Water frozen is ice (and yes it will take energy, but it wouldn't be anymore then go out looking for asteroids to mine for ice) unless they specifically need space ice because of some minerals there are in it, in that case it changes everything.

It's like going to a chemist saying "I need acid", yeah but what kind of acid? weak or mild or strong and are you looking for a specific acid?

Okay. Let's say that they take the option of bringing water from the colonies up to the Nexus in orbit. I doubt there's a ship large enough to quell the quantities needed, since it's been established that only small ships like the Tempest have the capacity to land and take off due to struggles with the planet's gravity, so they'll probably need to do multiple trips in and out of the planet's atmosphere. Then they'll need manpower and vehicles to transfer the water to the ships while they're on the ground. While the ships are on the ground, they're also vulnerable to attack.

I'm going to assume that the water is needed for the people and/or cooling down various reactors. Then the water need to be as pure as possible, since bacteria from another planet/galaxy is no joke.

If they have the proper facilities, ice can be brought aboard a ship during flight, melted and then used in the process of electrolysis to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen, which in its turn can be used to resupply both fuel and air without having to dip into their own water reserves.

[Dragaros]

[Dragaros]

[Dragaros]

[TTTX]

And how are you going to keep the atmosphere inside the ship once this MASSIVE gap has been opened in the ship or station? / And how are you going to keep the water from floating out of the container?


No, water is MUCH heavier than ice.
So much denser, it'd be harder to ship the same volume of fresh water than ice, especially if they have to take off from in atmosphere.
Going to an asteroid and picking up some ice is a lot easier to use for cryo stuff, so they wouldn't need to worry.

air locks and sealed containers.

you still have to find, mine, melt, distil it before it even can be used.
The golden worlds already have water going down set up shop distil it and ship it should be very easy, because cryo tech can freeze water very fast because you know future and such.

Okay. Let's say that they take the option of bringing water from the colonies up to the Nexus in orbit. I doubt there's a ship large enough to quell the quantities needed, since it's been established that only small ships like the Tempest have the capacity to land and take off due to struggles with the planet's gravity, so they'll probably need to do multiple trips in and out of the planet's atmosphere. Then they'll need manpower and vehicles to transfer the water to the ships while they're on the ground. While the ships are on the ground, they're also vulnerable to attack.

I'm going to assume that the water is needed for the people and/or cooling down various reactors. Then the water need to be as pure as possible, since bacteria from another planet/galaxy is no joke.

If they have the proper facilities, ice can be brought aboard a ship during flight, melted and then used in the process of electrolysis to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen, which in its turn can be used to resupply both fuel and air without having to dip into their own water reserves.

The entire point of the trip is to make colonies I don't think it'll be a problem getting manpower and vehicles to do that and you need a transport ship for that that is designed you know to carry all that cargo (which is the Tempest isn't designed for obviously) and ships around the size of the original Normandy even the second Normandy could land on certain planets it depends the size of the planet and such. also you are also vulnerable to attack in space we saw that a lot in ME1 and ME2.

water in asteroids isn't pure for a number of reasons, it still need to be distilled and such.

You would need a space station and not a ship to distill large portions of ice and water.

[Someone With Mass]

Oh, maps with nighttime mode. Nice.

[Someone With Mass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xe4NoXadPI

Did I just hear Liara?

Also, there's a weapon augmentation that pretty much turns weapons into the Needler from Halo.

[TTTX]

Did I just hear Liara?

Also, there's a weapon augmentation that pretty much turns weapons into the Needler from Halo.

yeah that was Liara or someone sounding very closely like her.

Even in ME:A you can't escape Liara.

[Someone With Mass]

yeah that was Liara or someone sounding very closely like her.

Even in ME:A you can't escape Liara.

I mean, wasn't there a more experienced archaeologist or something?

Also, she most likely had to watch everyone on the Normandy crew die of old age. Including Shepard.

[TTTX]

I mean, wasn't there a more experienced archaeologist or something?

Also, she most likely had to watch everyone on the Normandy crew die of old age. Including Shepard.

well she was like the expert on proteans before joining Shepard and becoming the Shadow Broker.

well aside from Grunt since he is still a young krogan.

[Alienmorph]

Thinking Grunt is the one character that could outlive Liara have always been a nice thought =P

[TheodoricFriede]

So the turian ark is lost, and that probably includes the quarians as well.

Theres you "You are the last hope of the quarians" for you. Looks like you save, or at last try to save, all the dextros.

[Someone With Mass]

So the turian ark is lost, and that probably includes the quarians as well.

Theres you "You are the last hope of the quarians" for you. Looks like you save, or at last try to save, all the dextros.

Well, that's rather...ominous.

[TheodoricFriede]

I doubt that they'll all be dead.

They're going for a Mass Effect 1 optimism theme.

[Croatsky]

I doubt they'd just kill of quarians like that.

If anything, Turian ark marooned just like human Hyperion ark did, but for different reasons.

So either we will find it in ME:A side missions or DLC set up.

[TheodoricFriede]

Side missions?

Thats probably main plot.

[Someone With Mass]

Side missions?

Thats probably main plot.

Maybe that's how you meet Vetra. Also, that's what, a fourth of the entire expedition gone missing? Yeah, you might want to do something about that.

[Mazder]

I mean, wasn't there a more experienced archaeologist or something?

Also, she most likely had to watch everyone on the Normandy crew die of old age. Including Shepard.

well she was like the expert on proteans before joining Shepard and becoming the Shadow Broker.

well aside from Grunt since he is still a young krogan.

Yeah but these recording are obviously made way before and the question of her age/outliving everyone doesn't matter as these recordings are nowhere near live.
They're preME1 era recordings of her time as an archaeologist.

[Croatsky]

Side missions?

Thats probably main plot.

Main plot will be about dealing with the Kett.
Mac Walters did say there is a secondary storyline about as important as main plot missions.

[Alienmorph]

I doubt they'd just kill of quarians like that.

I would like to take this moment to remind you and everyone else that more people at BW, including Pat Weeks, think that the Geth whiping out the quarians and Tali committing suicide is the appropriate conclusion of the Geth/Quarian storyarc.

I wouldn't rule out bringing them and the turians on the brink of exinction in Andromeda as well. Not for a minute.

[Vol]

That seems too illogical to be true.

Speaking of which, I'm going to (try to) blitz through the series. It's been a good few years, and the anger remains, but the emotional pain is faded. Mostly.

I'd forgotten that the salarians uplifted the krogan before the turians were around. Brilliant.

[Deano]