Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

[Mobius_118]

For someone who wants the government to collapse, you sure do entrust the private property protection part of government.

Meanwhile the trump administration is quietly gearing up for seizing private property for that useless border wall. Now that's just that, however, there isn't much to stop the administration from seizing my property, or yours, for reasons that the government can't properly articulate because the current administration is retarded.

That's what you support. So, again, you're an idiot. You support an administration that wants to bring back eminent domain.

"AH" you'll declare "OBUMMER GRABBED LAND TOO LOLOLOLFAGGOT"

That was to create a national park. You know, something for everyone to enjoy. A preserve to keep the natural rugged beauty of the US as pristine as possible. Something useful.

The only thing trumps border wall will stop is our budget in its tracks.

All for a good laugh though, right? It's all fun and games until you get your eye poked out.

[Mazder]

I have family in the Dakota Sioux, and they would like a word with stupid morons like you on the reality of the theft of their lands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRQFli6zMh4

Not random foreign states and tribes.

Well, to be fair the only thing keeping you as a single country is a big, strong, federal government, otherwise you are just a collection of states that, if given enough time with no unifying force, could become foreign to each other.

There was a time you lot and this island over here thought along the same lines and were a part of the same nation. Just saying...

Let's dissect that train of thought, then.

So, might makes right, correct? You just pointed that out, telling me rather arrogantly to grow up. Cute.

Hypothetically speaking, what's stopping me from exercising that train of thought on you? You said it yourself, you have a disability. You're weak. I have no disability. I can easily oust you from your property, take what you own. Since you seem to value anarchy and actively hope the laws, rules, and regulations in this country fall, then there would be nothing stopping anyone from taking what they want.

I am better trained than you, better organized than you.

Now, I know you're going to say something pithy. I'm going to preempt that by quoting you.

Well, to be fair might does still equal right in this sense. It's the might of the police force/the country/states power that makes what they say right, and if they say you're not allowed to exercise your might to take what you want then they make use of their might and arrest you, or worse if youu resist arrest to the point of violence and excessive forces.

I'd fight. I'd win. You'd accept it or bitch from the sidelines. You won't get your property back.

So, grow up, GAC. Quit being a little libertarian cuck and start respecting others. Because while you don't care, actively sabotage, and mock people who give a shit, they're fighting to protect your ungrateful ass.

Yeah, you'd win for the moment, until someone else comes around, probably state authorities to remove you and rectify the mistake, if you were not prevented before.

That was to create a national park. You know, something for everyone to enjoy. A preserve to keep the natural rugged beauty of the US as pristine as possible. Something useful.

Yeah but that only can exist for as long as Obama is/was in office. The government could take that land at any time and ruin it. Saying he did a good thing by taking that land for the government's will isn't good just because the person doing it has good intentions, it's still the government grabbing land/resources. Now the only ones who can protect that land in reality is the government, who are about as useful as a chocolate teacup in most regards.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

who are about as useful as a chocolate teacup in most regards.

I take offense to this last bit. At least a Chocolate Teacup has entertainment value.

[Mobius_118]

Well yeah, Mazder. My moral code would be an impetus to taking his property. I don't want his shit.

I was only using his logic against him, and he hid behind the government that he's been so staunchly antagonistic about since this whole debacle with don the con in office started.

GAC is a coward. Proven by his own words.

who are about as useful as a chocolate teacup in most regards.

I take offense to this last bit. At least a Chocolate Teacup has entertainment value.

Sounds like you need a safe space, cupcake.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Mobius you mental midget. I am a LIBERTARIAN.

NOT AN ANARCHIST.

The government can and should exist. To do a very small number of things as unobtrusively as possible with a minimum of fuss.

But since I don't want whatever big government nightmare you want you think that means I'm an anarchist. I am not. You are delusional.

Besides if a jumpy obviously mentally imbalanced lackwit like you showed up on my property I'd probably have to shoot you in self defense. I don't share your "Progressive" values.

Most people don't at base. It's why you lost and why you'll keep losing. The moral authoritarians on the left have lost the plot. They're going to lose a lot more before this is over.

[Mobius_118]

Does your elevator not go all the way to the penthouse?

The GOP is losing districts across the country. The midterms will only solidify our return to reality. The GOP lost in ALABAMA for fucks sake.

You've been antagonistic to the government since this whole shitshow started.

I know you're a libertarian maggot. Watching you get all pissboy over it is hilarious.

And you'd never hear the shot that killed you. Personally I'd use more messy methods, or black-bag you out onto Superior and let you join the Fitz. Dealers choice, really.

You're too easy to toy with. Not to put too fine a point on it, git gud, scrub. I've made for more impressive assholes than you admit they're wrong.

[Mazder]

Well yeah, Mazder. My moral code would be an impetus to taking his property. I don't want his shit.

I was only using his logic against him, and he hid behind the government that he's been so staunchly antagonistic about since this whole debacle with don the con in office started.

GAC is a coward. Proven by his own words.

Yeah....except you didn't really, you only failed to misunderstand the application of "might=right" as a concept applying to government on government, tribe on tribe, person on person. When, in reality, it can easily be Government on tribe, person on government, tribe on person and any other permutation.
o take one into account would take all into account to consider all powers at all times.

I take offense to this last bit. At least a Chocolate Teacup has entertainment value.

Not if you're the one trying to drink the tea.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

And if I were wrong that would be a major victory for you Mobius.

I'm not. People are sick of your virtue signalling bullshit. Fucking christ you retards are trying to make BULLET PROOF GLASS racist now. Presumably because it makes it harder for bl Sorry "Criminals of Colour" to get away with their crimes.

You're a zealous Crusader for the far left. The evil Infidels are banging on the gates and you'll fight so valiantly against the dying of the light. In the end it won't matter.

You've gone too far. Embraced too many reprehensible things to EVER have a chance of making it back. You're doomed and know it.

[Mobius_118]

Projecting of your own insecurities much?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Nah. My insecurities have to do with being short and from a family that has horrific organ problems long term.

I've also started going grey early.

What about you buddy?

[Mobius_118]

Can't afford to have any, other than the general anxiety that comes from being a productive, protective member of society.

Thankfully my genes are healthy. Still going harder and longer than the younger folk. I swear, these damn kids they train are not drinking their Land o' Lakes, eating their steak and potatoes, and developing their critical thinking skills to be better people.

[Raga]

He planned on getting rid of birthright citizenship from the get go. It's only the 14th Amendment here, part of one of our most important federal documents, known as The Constitution.

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Pretty plain english. You were born here, you're a citizen. Dumbfuck wants to do away with that.

I never claimed it wasn't in the Constitution. I'm saying it was put in there after the Civil War for the purpose of giving slaves citizenship. They were not thinking about immigrants when they implemented it. And I'm actually a huge proponent of getting rid of it for the simple fact that I want to discourage large-scale migration to the first world from the developing world. I don't want it to be easy for people to come here and become citizens. It should be really fucking hard. That is the only thing that enables us to have a robust social safety net. You can have either a welfare state or open borders. You can't have both.

[Vol]

Well, you can, if you really want. Our money is backed by Faith, and the supply is limitless, and the system is extremely obtuse so no dummies get wise to how fragile it all is. Not nearly enough productive jobs for that kind of influx tho, so gotta supply the people with welfare to sustain a minimum level of living. It's the good, moral thing to do as a first world nation.

That becomes the norm, since we can look at American ghettos for how likely it is that companies will uplift workers that come with generations of poverty and problems. So we have a permanent welfare class, with more arriving all the time, and that really doesn't work with a capitalist economy where wealth needs to be constantly conjured from nothing.

Then why bother handing people cheques when we can just provide the food, shelter, security, and so on directly? They only need pledge allegiance to the state. Then the state will provide a plot of land, food, water, security, and simple comforts, in exchange for obeying the leaders and performing whatever toil can be thought up, and oh look, serfdom.

It'll be the new Handmaiden's Tale for our time.

[Raga]

Yeah as much as people like to ignore the enormous federal debt that will implode in our face eventually. We should actually be all over trying to make our social safety nets sustainable and allowing in hundreds of thousands of low to no skill immigrants every year will not help at all. Sure they are a net benefit to the economy in aggregate over the long run but when you actually parse those numbers out you find that it takes about 3 generations and the returns are pretty modest. That's a lot of short-term sacrifice for not very much long-term gain and I'm not sure that the system is sustainable enough that we could wait for three generations to get results anyway.

[Mobius_118]

And I'm sure our families emigrated to our respective states from their respective countries as highly educated and experienced engineers and workers and doctors, with an immediate improvement to the nation simply by virtue of a rubber stamp on a piece of paper.

The citizenship process is already strenuous. 5 years or so. Illegals Are even paying taxes. Not all, but most. Trump doesn't even pay his taxes, yet somebody who fled to the US from a "shithole country" as he likes to call places where black and brown people come from, pays his or her share into a system that we all benefit from.

[Raga]

We live in a very different world. The ugly truth is that there is not much left for manual labor types to do in this country. There are three economic sectors in which all jobs fall and those are agriculture, Manufacturing, and services. Agriculture was the first to be automated starting in the 1950s or so. Manufacturing followed in the 1970s and on. We are now starting to see the beginning of Automation in the services segment. For instance if you look at the most commonly held job in something like 45 out of 50 states it's truck drivers. They will be obsolete when self-driving cars become widely available. Brick-and-mortar retail stores are bleeding jobs because of online shopping. The truth is that anybody that is not highly educated and does not have a hard to automate skill is going to be in a lot of trouble in the very near future. And we already have millions of people like that who are native citizens without letting in millions and millions more.

As an addendum to this, it is true that immigrants pay taxes the most notable of which is the sales tax and some also pay social security tax on basically fake Social Security numbers that they will not ever collect any money from. However if you look at measures of immigrant households then they also consume welfare benefits at a much higher rate than do Native households. That number which is put forward about immigrants using less welfare is specifically a measure of individuals and it ignores whether or not a given person is a dependent on someone else in the household who is getting welfare. So for instance if a woman is on welfare and her husband is unemployed it would count him as not receiving welfare even though obviously he's getting welfare through the money given his wife.

[Mazder]

I don't care what anyone says, if you're an illegal immigrant in the USA you have no rights other than basic humanitarian rights until you become an actual citizen. Legally the USA should not need to do anything for them save for making sure they're alive.
The legal homeless citizens have more rights than any illegal citizen IMO, no matter the potential either has. It's simply a matter of following the rules of "who is marked as with us and who is left open so they can siphon off what they want and scarper with it".

And I am saying this as a person who doesn't have many immediate skills to easily get a job.

[FrozenShadow]

Let's dissect that train of thought, then.

So, might makes right, correct? You just pointed that out, telling me rather arrogantly to grow up. Cute.

Hypothetically speaking, what's stopping me from exercising that train of thought on you? You said it yourself, you have a disability. You're weak. I have no disability. I can easily oust you from your property, take what you own. Since you seem to value anarchy and actively hope the laws, rules, and regulations in this country fall, then there would be nothing stopping anyone from taking what they want.

I am better trained than you, better organized than you.

Now, I know you're going to say something pithy. I'm going to preempt that by quoting you.

Well, to be fair might does still equal right in this sense. It's the might of the police force/the country/states power that makes what they say right, and if they say you're not allowed to exercise your might to take what you want then they make use of their might and arrest you, or worse if youu resist arrest to the point of violence and excessive forces.

Yet, this doesn't guaranteed anything. Quite the contrary, people are already exercising "strong takes from the weak" mentally. If you're rich or influential person, you're less likely to get prosecuted of your wrong doings. That's simply a fact. This is simply, because going against rich/influential means you need more information, much air tighter proof, connections on your side to protect you and so on. And even if R/I persons do get prosecuted, they are also more likely to get away with simple slap on the wrist.

After all "might" is often much more that physical prowess in cases like this.

[FrozenShadow]

And in recent Trump fuck ups.

http://time.com/5100328/shithole-countries-trump-reactions/

*very slow clapping*

Oh yes, it's perfectly alright for president to call other countries shitholes. Trump honestly has no idea what to say and what not and how to express the matter in diplomatic way. Something that should be really damn important for anyone of politics, let alone for someone like president.

[Mazder]

Yet, this doesn't guaranteed anything. Quite the contrary, people are already exercising "strong takes from the weak" mentally. If you're rich or influential person, you're less likely to get prosecuted of your wrong doings. That's simply a fact. This is simply, because going against rich/influential means you need more information, much air tighter proof, connections on your side to protect you and so on. And even if R/I persons do get prosecuted, they are also more likely to get away with simple slap on the wrist.

After all "might" is often much more that physical prowess in cases like this.

Yeah, in that instance it'd be "state vs person/person vs state" or "person vs person". It's still "might", just of a different form. States have quite a lot of funding but when going against a billionaire it's placed on a relative scale so it's still the same might vs might contest.

And in recent Trump fuck ups.

http://time.com/5100328/shithole-countries-trump-reactions/

*very slow clapping*

Oh yes, it's perfectly alright for president to call other countries shitholes. Trump honestly has no idea what to say and what not and how to express the matter in diplomatic way. Something that should be really damn important for anyone of politics, let alone for someone like president.

Ha, what an idiot that man is.
I mean he's not incorrect, a lot of those countries are shitholes one way or another.

[Alienmorph]

All the dignity and subtdelty of a Tumblr page. Truly he is the worthy leader of the "free world" for our times.

[TheodoricFriede]

He probably shouldn't have said that, but, to be fair, those countries ARE shitholes.

Though I would like to point out that President Obama called Kanye West a Jackass.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

He probably shouldn't have said that, but, to be fair, those countries ARE shitholes.

Though I would like to point out that President Obama called Kanye West a Jackass.

Nah man. Barry O didn du nuffin.

As long as those teleprompters were on his voice was like smooth jazz!!!!

[Raga]

In other news much to everyone's surprise, it turns out Trump is a rude boor with oral diarrhea. Despite this shocking discovery, it turns out that "Trump said something offensive about Haiti and El Salvador" or even "Trump is a racist asshole" (if that's true) offers exactly 0 valid arguments for why we should let in immigrants from those places.

[Raga]

He probably shouldn't have said that, but, to be fair, those countries ARE shitholes.

Though I would like to point out that President Obama called Kanye West a Jackass.

Obama is actually notoriously foul-mouthed. He just has the sense to keep it in private. He literally summarized his foreign policy strategy as "don't do stupid shit" with the subtext of "like Bush did." https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... ne/471525/

Also worth mentioning is Hillary Clinton referring to roughly 20-50% of the population of the country as "deplorables."

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

He probably shouldn't have said that, but, to be fair, those countries ARE shitholes.

Though I would like to point out that President Obama called Kanye West a Jackass.

Obama is actually notoriously foul-mouthed. He just has the sense to keep it in private. He literally summarized his foreign policy strategy as "don't do stupid shit." https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... ne/471525/

Also worth mentioning is Hillary Clinton referring to roughly 20-50% of the population of the country as "deplorables."

The Clinton bit is completely acceptable to media discourse though.

Because anyone who voted against her is clearly a bigot who hates minorities and women.

[Raga]

Relevant to what I was saying above: https://www.theatlantic.com/education/a ... on/548948/

The kinds of jobs Latinos do are disproportionately the ones most likely to be automated.

*Three post obsessive limit.

[Vol]

I had the TV on all day at the house we were working at, so I put the news on.

All. Fucking. Day. All day, they talked about "shitholes." And not the fun kind you can do neat stuff with.

It got to a point where the people on screen were going on about how the economy is booming and North Korea seems willing to talk and ISIS has been greatly diminished and so on, but oh, President Trump is forcing us to talk about his vulgarity today instead. I became a little upset at that point, because it underlined and punctuated why I find the press to be actively harmful to our country.

[Mobius_118]

Well he's a narcissist who can't let things go.

[Mazder]

Well he's a narcissist who can't let things go.

Still, that doesn't help when your press focuses on his narcissistic behaviour instead of actual news.

[Mobius_118]

He's not a leader. Never was. Never will be. Not when he's a racist shitfag who hates the "poor" (read: everyone who doesn't make a six-figure salary), cuts off healthcare for everyone including kids, and has undone or is in the process of undoing every piece of legislature President Obama signed in simply because he's a racist shitfag.

We were so close to getting to pre-Bush era economics and actually started to surpass it when that asshole dragged us down into being on of the least stable "First-World Nations" in the Western Hemisphere. His supporters are either too stupid to know that they just fucked up, or are complicit in the downfall of the nation.

[FrozenShadow]

And in recent Trump fuck ups.

http://time.com/5100328/shithole-countries-trump-reactions/

*very slow clapping*

Oh yes, it's perfectly alright for president to call other countries shitholes. Trump honestly has no idea what to say and what not and how to express the matter in diplomatic way. Something that should be really damn important for anyone of politics, let alone for someone like president.

Ha, what an idiot that man is.
I mean he's not incorrect, a lot of those countries are shitholes one way or another.

Yeah? Well, Trump has obviously never heard the term Political correctness. Something that anyone in any form of public position should know, especially President of United State.

Yet, Trump has no idea of this. What makes this whole matter even worse is the fact that Trump doesn't even try to learn it. He had had about two years to learn at least some of it, but he hadn't bothered to do it. Quite the contrary, he gets worse.

This all shows total lack of respects towards anything and everything.

[DarkStorm]

I highly doubt anyone has respect for those shitholes.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

And in recent Trump fuck ups.

http://time.com/5100328/shithole-countries-trump-reactions/

*very slow clapping*

Oh yes, it's perfectly alright for president to call other countries shitholes. Trump honestly has no idea what to say and what not and how to express the matter in diplomatic way. Something that should be really damn important for anyone of politics, let alone for someone like president.

Ha, what an idiot that man is.
I mean he's not incorrect, a lot of those countries are shitholes one way or another.

Yeah? Well, Trump has obviously never heard the term Political correctness. Something that anyone in any form of public position should know, especially President of United State.

Yet, Trump has no idea of this. What makes this whole matter even worse is the fact that Trump doesn't even try to learn it. He had had about two years to learn at least some of it, but he hadn't bothered to do it. Quite the contrary, he gets worse.

This all shows total lack of respects towards anything and everything.

Which is precisely why people elected him.

People are sick to fucking death of political correctness. The Teleprompter in chief of the previous administration was all about that shit on camera and the 2016 election showed clearly what people thought of it.

[DarkStorm]

Also I surprised you havent realized his tactic by now, he always some crazy shit to fake new then they lose their mind. And in the meantime he can do what he needs to or take attention off something while they are focused on the random dumb shit he said.

[Raga]

I had the TV on all day at the house we were working at, so I put the news on.

All. Fucking. Day. All day, they talked about "shitholes." And not the fun kind you can do neat stuff with.

It got to a point where the people on screen were going on about how the economy is booming and North Korea seems willing to talk and ISIS has been greatly diminished and so on, but oh, President Trump is forcing us to talk about his vulgarity today instead. I became a little upset at that point, because it underlined and punctuated why I find the press to be actively harmful to our country.

Yea, I thought this exact same thing. My commute home is about 35 minutes. I listened to NPR. Of that 35 minutes about 10 were spent talking about why NPR made the unprecedented, super-important decision to say "shithole" aloud on the radio because apparently that's just how bad and unprecedented what Trump said was. Then Marketplace (which is supposed to be about economics) came on and they spent the first 5 minutes talking about the markets did great today but it's more important to talk about how Trump said shithole.

This is all about trying to derail immigration negotiations to keep them at status quo levels: which is to say hundreds of thousands of broke ass people each year. Some cynical part of me thinks this is mostly about Democrats wanting future votes but even if you wave that logic away, I *definitely* think it's about catering to a loud, obnoxious part of their base who want to relocate their entire extended family here from the 3rd world and will refuse to be satisfied with anything but that.

Basically, once everybody in Latin America who wants to come here who isn't a criminal is here, then we can ramp down immigration levels, but not before.

[Vol]

Also I surprised you havent realized his tactic by now, he always some crazy shit to fake new then they lose their mind. And in the meantime he can do what he needs to or take attention off something while they are focused on the random dumb shit he said.

In this case, I assumed he actually did say it, and it wasn't meant to leave the privacy of the meeting, because he is a New York real estate developer and all.

Yea, I thought this exact same thing. My commute home is about 35 minutes. I listened to NPR. Of that 35 minutes about 10 were spent talking about why NPR made the unprecedented, super-important decision to say "shithole" aloud on the radio because apparently that's just how bad and unprecedented what Trump said was. Then Marketplace (which is supposed to be about economics) came on and they spent the first 5 minutes talking about the markets did great today but it's more important to talk about how Trump said shithole.

This is all about trying to derail immigration negotiations to keep them at status quo levels: which is to say hundreds of thousands of broke ass people each year. Some cynical part of me thinks this is mostly about Democrats wanting future votes but even if you wave that logic away, I *definitely* think it's about catering to a loud, obnoxious part of their base who want to relocate their entire extended family here from the 3rd world and will refuse to be satisfied with anything but that.

Basically, once everybody in Latin America who wants to come here who isn't a criminal is here, then we can ramp down immigration levels, but not before.

CNN and Fox News both aired it uncensored, so I assume every outfit did. Which is something I'm okay with, a collective loosening of broadcast standards, but obviously in a less juvenile way than this event.

And circle gets the square. In normal circumstances, this wouldn't have been leaked. The bipartisan, 50 minute news op earlier this week looked too good, and the GOP is entirely ready to trade DACA psuedo-amnesty for The Wall and other stuff, but that is not in the Democrats best interest at all. If DACA remains in limbo, they have a point of fear to rally support, if The Wall gets built, they're complicit, if chain migration and diversity lotteries get axed, that's less future votes.

So in that scenario, the best option is to do literally nothing, rally support against the GOP/Trump for being racist/fascist, and blow up the negotiations. And so Trump calls Haiti and Africa shitholes, and there's the dynamite. Go find any friendly outlet to push the plunger.

Edit: I assume the Democrats care about the immigrants in question, in the sense of feeling emotional towards their plights and wanting them to live better lives, but the methods used to address this are purely utilitarian to gain power.

[Raga]

Oh, I have no issue with the fact that they said shithole uncensored. I just found it stupid that they felt the need to spend 10 minutes trying to convince me of the gravitas of what they did. They wanted it to have weight and gravitas because they wanted what Trump said to be some kind of precedent breaking, administration changing, resistance starting moment when really all that happened was that a rude guy called some countries which are in fact shitholes by an accurate but rude name.

[TTTX]

Oh, I have no issue with the fact that they said shithole uncensored. I just found it stupid that they felt the need to spend 10 minutes trying to convince me of the gravitas of what they did. They wanted it to have weight and gravitas because they wanted what Trump said to be some kind of precedent breaking, administration changing, resistance starting moment when really all that happened was that a rude guy called some countries which are in fact shitholes by an accurate but rude name.

Well the media is gunning for Trump for some reason (and I for one have no idea why, maybe aside for some weird backroom deals with Hillary that got screwed over when Trump won the election).

[Alienmorph]

Had Hillary been elected things would probably be alot similar. Thei're both absolutely horrible president material and both with bloodthirsty media outlets ready to cause a shitstorm whenever they say or do something remotely controversial.

That said, just because the alternative would have been just another kind of bad doesn't mean people should accept Trump's bullshit. This isn't a Simpsons episode.

[DarkStorm]

Lol you say that but thats exactly what it is.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Tbh the media minus Fox fucking loved Hilary. Don't delude yourself. They were all on side to support Her because it was HER TURN dammit!

[DarkStorm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF_rvhsGjBM

I feel sorry for you Mazder.

[Mazder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF_rvhsGjBM

I feel sorry for you Mazder.

Luckily I don't use social media, I just shout my bigotry out in the open in public when I feel the need to!

Seriously though this is a "city" problem arising and only makes me want to have to vote UKIP to show the Torries and Labour and LibDems what limp-dicks they are.
Maybe it is time we give the Scots a go....
Sadly general elections aren't scheduled until 2020, unless the current government panics again.

[TLock]

Luckily I don't use social media, I just shout my bigotry out in the open in public when I feel the need to!

Seriously though this is a "city" problem arising and only makes me want to have to vote UKIP to show the Torries and Labour and LibDems what limp-dicks they are.
Maybe it is time we give the Scots a go....
Sadly general elections aren't scheduled until 2020, unless the current government panics again.

Don't even joke about that...I would hate to be in the UK should UKIP have any substantial representation in the UK Parliament.

I mean the Torries are a piece of work after their entire party went to the shitter after the Brexit referendum, same with all the major parties...but please anything but them. If anything I would either vote for the lib dems or labour. Corbyn is better than May or *gasp* Boris.

[Mazder]

Don't even joke about that...I would hate to be in the UK should UKIP have any substantial representation in the UK Parliament.

I mean the Torries are a piece of work after their entire party went to the shitter after the Brexit referendum, same with all the major parties...but please anything but them. If anything I would either vote for the lib dems or labour. Corbyn is better than May or *gasp* Boris.

Corbyn would be if he wasn't such a limp noodle when it comes to compromising things out of his positions (which aren't all good btw).
It sucks that there are literally no decent candidates around right now.
Almost makes me want to literally run for office myself running the "Adder Party". Or maybe even "Standing At The Back, Dressed Stupid And Acting Stupid Party.":D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6mJw50OdZ4

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Luckily I don't use social media, I just shout my bigotry out in the open in public when I feel the need to!

Seriously though this is a "city" problem arising and only makes me want to have to vote UKIP to show the Torries and Labour and LibDems what limp-dicks they are.
Maybe it is time we give the Scots a go....
Sadly general elections aren't scheduled until 2020, unless the current government panics again.

Don't even joke about that...I would hate to be in the UK should UKIP have any substantial representation in the UK Parliament.

I mean the Torries are a piece of work after their entire party went to the shitter after the Brexit referendum, same with all the major parties...but please anything but them. If anything I would either vote for the lib dems or labour. Corbyn is better than May or *gasp* Boris.

>A fucking commie
>Is better than

U fucking wot m8.

[Mazder]

>A fucking commie
>Is better than

U fucking wot m8.

Someone able to do the job and at least has experiences running something vs a literal walking bluster who is only an option because they're the last one left of the volunteers/scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Plus our parliament works slightly different to your congress so if there is ANY internal strife in his own party (which there has been a lot of) Corbyn is as likely to be shut down by his own side than the oppositions.

[Mobius_118]

>A fucking commie
>Is better than

U fucking wot m8.

Someone able to do the job and at least has experiences running something vs a literal walking bluster who is only an option because they're the last one left of the volunteers/scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Plus our parliament works slightly different to your congress so if there is ANY internal strife in his own party (which there has been a lot of) Corbyn is as likely to be shut down by his own side than the oppositions.

So it's Hillary vs trump all over again, Euro style.

Let's hope your side of the pond doesn't fuck up like we did.

[Vol]

Education is not a panacea, lionizing teachers is fetishizing childhood authority figures, experience and drive is exponentially more valuable than any number of years of sitting in a classroom. Abolish public education, indoctrination centers of lies and half-truths, siphoning up billions, and retarding personal growth by allowing government to raise the nation's children in controlled environments.

Vote Vol 2028.

PS Don't drink tap water, frogs gay, etc.

But seriously, it is odd how sacrosanct I see people get about teachers and public school, as if the cure for all ills is getting more of it, better, and poof, then humans will be lockstep in agreeing on everything. I probably said this all before, actually. But I'm beginning to believe that children would be better served in life spending their formative period with their families/shadowing their parents with some minimal amount of schooling, to establish a baseline of information (A year or two?).