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[TTTX]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZDYOvDby5g&list=WL&index=9

[Mobius_118]

They are both still terrible.

We get the point, you're apathetic.

You're also wrong, Trump is terrible. Clinton just rubs you the wrong way. Do your civic duty and vote anyway. I heard Johnson is all about lost causes and being a moron.

You'd fit right in.

[Mazder]

They are both still terrible.

We get the point, you're apathetic.

You're also wrong, Trump is terrible. Clinton just rubs you the wrong way. Do your civic duty and vote anyway. I heard Johnson is all about lost causes and being a moron.

You'd fit right in.

Recognizing two bad candidates doesn't necessarily make one about lost causes and being moronic.

If there is a reason why people are more apathetic this time around it's only because of the political parties and their candidates anyway.
TBH if it were up to me voting in this election I'd either spoil my ballot or vote third party. Even if I am the only person in my state to do so. But I can see why one would not wish to do so, as having the tidal wave of bad washing over you is not good for anyone to consider.

[DarkStorm]

They are both still terrible.

We get the point, you're apathetic.

You're also wrong, Trump is terrible. Clinton just rubs you the wrong way. Do your civic duty and vote anyway. I heard Johnson is all about lost causes and being a moron.

You'd fit right in.

I'm doing my civic duty by not picking terrible people to run a country that neither should. But I already see your response to that because it is the same all others say.

I'm not just going to sit and vote for any evil because I have no choice to not choose one. You may settle for greater or lesser evils but I don't.

[Vol]

Christ, today was nearly a disaster. Lady wants all the cabinets in her kitchen painted. Fine, it's a big hassle, but we'll do it of course. Remove every single drawer and door, all the hardware, degloss every last inch of everything with chemical and a rough sponge (and rubber gloves), wipe down, dry, then paint the backside, get in all the grooves, _very_ carefully lay off the brush marks so it's even, neat, and with the grain of the wood. Then apply a second coat. Then apply a glaze. Then apply a finish. Then flips the _doors_ over and repeat all of that on the backside.

I'm halfway through the first coat of paint and the lady shows up and starts looking pained. She doesn't like the color she picked out, but won't come out and say it, so I get to work for half an hour with her hovering around, and a doom cloud just overhead. But, by the grace of God, she relents when she sees how the glaze really darkens the wood, but man. That would have been rough.

[DarkStorm]

Christ, today was nearly a disaster. Lady wants all the cabinets in her kitchen painted. Fine, it's a big hassle, but we'll do it of course. Remove every single drawer and door, all the hardware, degloss every last inch of everything with chemical and a rough sponge (and rubber gloves), wipe down, dry, then paint the backside, get in all the grooves, _very_ carefully lay off the brush marks so it's even, neat, and with the grain of the wood. Then apply a second coat. Then apply a glaze. Then apply a finish. Then flips the _doors_ over and repeat all of that on the backside.

I'm halfway through the first coat of paint and the lady shows up and starts looking pained. She doesn't like the color she picked out, but won't come out and say it, so I get to work for half an hour with her hovering around, and a doom cloud just overhead. But, by the grace of God, she relents when she sees how the glaze really darkens the wood, but man. That would have been rough.

Yeah people don't know how that stuff works especially when its not finished yet.

[TTTX]

I'm doing my civic duty by not picking terrible people to run a country that neither should. But I already see your response to that because it is the same all others say.

I'm not just going to sit and vote for any evil because I have no choice to not choose one. You may settle for greater or lesser evils but I don't.

I support your decision, because I did that too when our former primeminister Helle Thorning Schmidt got elected.

our options these last few years have been a weak man who leaves a meeting because his wife calls him and tell to get the kids because it's his turn to pick them up from school (I really wish I was joking.) and he is apparently also in a lot of debt and he has been our primeminister for like 3-4 times now.

Helle was woman who literally did nothing in between elections, expect for something about a gucci purse and get away from tax evasion scott free, then she gets elected and doesn't even run the country, she just goes to EU to try and get a well paying job down there (but fails) and flirts with the USA president.

That have been our choices for these last 8 years.

[TheodoricFriede]

Internet argument:

Them: the new spacesuit needs to be skin tight just to stop slight swelling.
Me: It needs to be skin tight to stop your blood from boiling!
Them: No it doesnt. Its not that much pressure.
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[TheodoricFriede]

We get the point, you're apathetic.

You're also wrong, Trump is terrible. Clinton just rubs you the wrong way. Do your civic duty and vote anyway. I heard Johnson is all about lost causes and being a moron.

You'd fit right in.

You make me want to vote for Trump.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

We get the point, you're apathetic.

You're also wrong, Trump is terrible. Clinton just rubs you the wrong way. Do your civic duty and vote anyway. I heard Johnson is all about lost causes and being a moron.

You'd fit right in.

You make me want to vote for Trump.

If it makes you feel any better I'll just cheat and vote for him twice. One for you.

[TheodoricFriede]

If it makes you feel any better I'll just cheat and vote for him twice. One for you.

Surprisingly, yes, that does make me feel better.

[Mobius_118]

We get the point, you're apathetic.

You're also wrong, Trump is terrible. Clinton just rubs you the wrong way. Do your civic duty and vote anyway. I heard Johnson is all about lost causes and being a moron.

You'd fit right in.

You make me want to vote for Trump.

If it makes you feel any better I'll just cheat and vote for him twice. One for you.

Why wait till election? Suck start a 12 gauge. It'll have the same result.

[DarkStorm]

And of course Hillary will just be a 9mm to the brain.

[Mobius_118]

And of course Hillary will just be a 9mm to the brain.

YEAAAno.

There's only one real candidate here, too bad you're too much of an apathetic seeping cunt to put your feelings aside and vote smart.

[DarkStorm]

And of course Hillary will just be a 9mm to the brain.

YEAAAno.

There's only one real candidate here, too bad you're too much of an apathetic seeping cunt to put your feelings aside and vote smart.

Sure if your fine with accepting any evil by all means.

[Mobius_118]

Sure if your fine with accepting any evil by all means.

Are you serious? Were you dropped on your head when you were a child? Got a bit of Asbergers? Maybe a touch of Down Syndrome?

You really do have a problem with a woman in power, don't you? Obviously she's shady, if she's made it this far. No way her decades of political experience, charities, and solid record have anything to do with it. No way.

[DarkStorm]

Really throwing down the woman card? Her being a woman is irrelevant. I just dont blindly believe every bit of shit that pours out someones mouth.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Sure if your fine with accepting any evil by all means.

Are you serious? Were you dropped on your head when you were a child? Got a bit of Asbergers? Maybe a touch of Down Syndrome?

You really do have a problem with a woman in power, don't you? Obviously she's shady, if she's made it this far. No way her decades of political experience, charities, and solid record have anything to do with it. No way.

Straight outta Tumblr!

All hail Lord Tyrell of the REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEACH

[Spartanburger]

If it makes you feel any better I'll just cheat and vote for him twice. One for you.

I don't want to come out and call this bollocks, but...

Yeah, you're not doing that. Even the most generous estimates of fraudulent votes don't put the rate at more than 0.0002% of all votes cast. Since the year 2000. That's 2000 fraudulent votes out of one billion. The estimated number of fraudulent votes that will occur in this election, assuming the same voter turnout as 2012, mean that this will happen no more than 250 times. Sorry, you're not some special snowflake that can be one of the .0002%.

Doesn't really make the case for a candidate any better if you have to use voter fraud to win.


Also, since a lot is flying around on Trump's tax returns: Despite not liking the guy, him being under audit is not an indication that tax evasion or fraud occurred. Tax becomes extremely complicated when you start to prepare returns for individuals with multiple sources of income, from corps, sole proprietorship, wages, rent, etc. And when you start getting into corporate tax returns, things get kinda mindboggling when it comes to asset management. Asset depreciation is done at different methods than on books, and there's shit like §351 transfers, §1231 gain, dividends (to the extent of E&P), distributions (dividend, capital gain, or ordinary income?), AMT, stock redemption (that §267 tho), carryforward/back, liquidation (§336d2Bii)... that's just barely touching the surface. Despite Trump's rather abysmal track record for running his businesses, he has 'uge numbers of assets and incomes from different forms. These transactions are complex and often need examination for verification. This is why he's under audit all the time, not necessarily because he lied on his returns. Doesn't mean he didn't, but it's not enough evidence to assume he did, either.
Though, his statement that paying zero taxes "makes him smart" is a bit off. He has smart accountants. And there certainly is precedent, both from a historical and an public audit precedent, for him to release his returns. The goal is to show that there are no conflicts of interest of any sort (you know, like the $4,000,000,000 tax break that his tax plan would offer his family, assuming he is worth all that he claims he is (which under no circumstances can be taken as fact until independently verified. This is auditing 101, people)).

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

If it makes you feel any better I'll just cheat and vote for him twice. One for you.

I don't want to come out and call this bollocks, but...

Yes. That's the joke...

Jokes are a thing that people do sometimes.

[TheodoricFriede]

Why wait till election? Suck start a 12 gauge. It'll have the same result.

Want me to tell you what you can suck?

[Mobius_118]

Why wait till election? Suck start a 12 gauge. It'll have the same result.

Want me to tell you what you can suck?

Yes yes, a giant fat throbbing cock. Preferably horse, maybe a donkey.

Listen up you monostat eating piece of shit, people like you make me want to hate fuck a dumpster. The very essence of entitled, pansy-assed shitfuckery that I've hated for decades.

"Oh, I don't want to vote, it doesn't do anything and I hate the candidates waaaaaah"

Get real.

[TheodoricFriede]

Cool.

Well, good luck with that.

[Mobius_118]

Cool.

Well, good luck with that.

Good luck being a drain on society. You're off to a terrific start.

[Vol]

Right, that's enough. You guys are more than welcome to have strong political beliefs about whomever you want, and to post all you want to about it, but this has devolved into goading and insults.

From this post on, any more shit I see is going to be edited or deleted. Go yell at each other via PM or Steam.

Also, since a lot is flying around on Trump's tax returns: Despite not liking the guy, him being under audit is not an indication that tax evasion or fraud occurred. Tax becomes extremely complicated when you start to prepare returns for individuals with multiple sources of income, from corps, sole proprietorship, wages, rent, etc. And when you start getting into corporate tax returns, things get kinda mindboggling when it comes to asset management. Asset depreciation is done at different methods than on books, and there's shit like §351 transfers, §1231 gain, dividends (to the extent of E&P), distributions (dividend, capital gain, or ordinary income?), AMT, stock redemption (that §267 tho), carryforward/back, liquidation (§336d2Bii)... that's just barely touching the surface. Despite Trump's rather abysmal track record for running his businesses, he has 'uge numbers of assets and incomes from different forms. These transactions are complex and often need examination for verification. This is why he's under audit all the time, not necessarily because he lied on his returns. Doesn't mean he didn't, but it's not enough evidence to assume he did, either.
Though, his statement that paying zero taxes "makes him smart" is a bit off. He has smart accountants. And there certainly is precedent, both from a historical and an public audit precedent, for him to release his returns. The goal is to show that there are no conflicts of interest of any sort (you know, like the $4,000,000,000 tax break that his tax plan would offer his family, assuming he is worth all that he claims he is (which under no circumstances can be taken as fact until independently verified. This is auditing 101, people)).

12,000 pages is the number I've heard floating around, and an alleged photo was put on Twitter or a massive stack of papers he was signing. I imagine, being in international real estate and a bunch of other ventures, his returns are heinously complex. Which means even in the case of total purity, it'd be so obtuse that you could invent attacks and claims from nothing. And since a business at that level seems almost assuredly to be doing something sketchy, there's gold in them there returns.

During the debate last night he actually put a number to his income last year, couple hundred million, but who the hell knows what that actually means. Revenue, income, profit, rent, investments, I couldn't tell you, and I'm sure there's a lot more. It's up to guys like you to put it in laymans for the rest of us.

[Mobius_118]

If Trump would just release his full tax return and show everyone whether or not he's paid his taxes or not, it would settle a lot of questions.

Since it's more than likely that he hasn't paid his taxes, it means he's a burden on the middle class. And a sham. Someone who's already disqualified from being President just off of the utter bullshit he's said concerning nuclear weapons, sanctioned assassinations, everything he mentions when talking about women or LGBT.

He's not qualified, neither is Johnson, to run a fucking Sizzler.

[TheodoricFriede]

During the debate last night he actually put a number to his income last year, couple hundred million, but who the hell knows what that actually means. Revenue, income, profit, rent, investments, I couldn't tell you, and I'm sure there's a lot more. It's up to guys like you to put it in laymans for the rest of us.

Wealthy people tend to use tax loopholes that average people dont. Legal, but not exactly charming.

Im sure Hillary's accountant uses them too.

[Vol]

He's almost assuredly not paid income tax, probably in a while. "Why" would likely involve all sorts of technical tricks that Spartan can probably list off.

Wealthy people tend to use tax loopholes that average people dont. Legal, but not exactly charming.

Im sure Hillary's accountant uses them too.

Old adage about the two workers. One man is very poor, can afford very cheap boots. Other man is relatively well off, buys the nicest work boots he can. Poor man's boots wear out constantly, other man's last his lifetime, poor man ends up paying more for boots in the end.

Now apply to tax law.

Hillary actually released, as far as I read, a totally normal return, paid an income tax and everything. Or the Foundation's. I can't remember, and honestly, I didn't look at it too hard.

[Mobius_118]

Hillary Clinton already released her tax returns...without a blip.

[TheodoricFriede]

Hillary actually released, as far as I read, a totally normal return, paid an income tax and everything. Or the Foundation's. I can't remember, and honestly, I didn't look at it too hard.

Either way, im sure an accountant was saving her money somehow.

[Mobius_118]

Well, yeah. I'd hope her accountant did his job to help the Clintons manage the large amount of stuff they do in their day to day, like anyone else with wealth does if they're a philanthropist.

Her and Bill made a combined 36 million last year, paying back 10 million at the normal 36% tax rate. Seems a bit low, but I'm for a higher tax rate if it pays for education and health care.

[TheodoricFriede]

Vol, you want to do something about this or am i just on ignore mode?

[Spartanburger]

Wealthy people tend to use tax loopholes that average people dont. Legal, but not exactly charming.

Im sure Hillary's accountant uses them too.

Yup. Tax Avoidance, perfectly legal. Tax Evasion, illegal. There's been a few "debates" on the complexity of the tax code being a sort of 1% privilege, where only the rich are wealthy enough be able to afford accountants that can bring their taxable income down. Though generally, if you're working a regular job and have regular expenses, your 1040 could be filled out in only a few minutes, and there isn't really a lot of room to reduce it further.

It's up to guys like you to put it in laymans for the rest of us.

Honestly, when you take into account his answering style and his businesses, your guess as to what he meant by his wealth is as good as mine.

[Croatsky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_LjfvYpRFU&index=9&list=WL

Wait, XCOM 2 wasn't released on consoles already?

Huh, I thought it was just like with first game.

[Mazder]

Sure if your fine with accepting any evil by all means.

Are you serious? Were you dropped on your head when you were a child? Got a bit of Asbergers? Maybe a touch of Down Syndrome?

You really do have a problem with a woman in power, don't you? Obviously she's shady, if she's made it this far. No way her decades of political experience, charities, and solid record have anything to do with it. No way.

Okay, speaking as someone who has had women in power in his country and currently HAS a woman in power in his country I can absolutely see why people do not want to vote for Hilary Clinton and it is by no means about the gender of the person in question.

As much as Trump is a bigot and obnoxious she is equally obnoxious and sticks to her own policies about as well as much as Micheal Bay sticks to the original lore of an IP he's making a film about.
She is as untrustworthy and manipulative and downright destructive for your country as he potentially is. She wants to not only reverse any kinds of healthcare advances for your country (but she's flip flopped on that so many times when Bernie was still around so who knows her actual stance now), she supports outsourcing MORE work to asian markets instead of supporting creating more jobs at home, she wants to double down on not improving Veteran's benefits (something I thought you'd find appalling BTW but to each his own) and on top of all of that her campaign is based mainly on imagery and playing the victimization/sexism card whenever her mistrust is brought up.
Oh and she still uses 9/11 like it happened literally the days before her speech.
And even when she can get all of that out of the way she still fails to meet target audiences with very easy to do things, such as not wearing a massively expensive suit to a speech with some of the poorest people in the state.

Everything bad about Hilary Clinton is all based around feigning trust, and that's what people don't like about her. With Trump you can expect him to fly off the handle and do something stupid, but Clinton will do it, do it behind your back and tell you it's for your own good.

Doesn't really make the case for a candidate any better if you have to use voter fraud to win.

Speaking of which, which candidate was accused the most of committing voter fraud this election cycle?
Against her own party no less?
Which was also brushed under the table.

[TTTX]

Are you serious? Were you dropped on your head when you were a child? Got a bit of Asbergers? Maybe a touch of Down Syndrome?

You really do have a problem with a woman in power, don't you? Obviously she's shady, if she's made it this far. No way her decades of political experience, charities, and solid record have anything to do with it. No way.

As a guy who just had one of the worst Primeminister in Denmark ever, I can say this with out a doubt that gender has nothing to do with, however Hilary doesn't seem to me to be a strong leader who will be able to stand for what she believes in, she always seems to go with whatever is popular and not what is right.

Though to be fair Trump doesn't seem much better.

[Mobius_118]

Vol, you want to do something about this or am i just on ignore mode?

I give a non-inflammatory answer to a question about Hillary's taxes, and that offended you? Even when it wasn't even directed at you specifically?

Edit: Insult spoilered.

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The baby elephant weighs 250 pounds when born, making it the second biggest baby in the world, next to your bitch ass.

[Vol]

Vol, you want to do something about this or am i just on ignore mode?

Sleeping. Now going to work. Obviously you're not on ignore, and the post in question was not an issue. The very latest one, however, is. Relaaaax.

[Someone With Mass]

When you're trying to enjoy a cup of tea and two choppers land on the field right outside your house. Must say that movies seriously underplay how obnoxiously loud those things are.

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxtJIE2cSkA

[Dragaros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjbTZ1VTV6M

[Dragaros]

Steam Store Overhaul Reportedly Coming Soon

Michel Ancel Seemingly Teasing Beyond Good and Evil 2

Overwatch Symmetra Changes in the Works

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[Someone With Mass]

So because my brother has food allergies and asthma, he'll get about €12500 from an insurance company, as it's deemed debilitating. Me, who has roughly the same things, haven't gotten anything. Guess that's the kind of world we live in.

[Mobius_118]

When you're trying to enjoy a cup of tea and two choppers land on the field right outside your house. Must say that movies seriously underplay how obnoxiously loud those things are.

I have Apaches, Chinooks, and Blackhawks rumble overhead every day.

As well as Predators and Ravens.

Artillery in the night, sometimes I'll hear miniguns. And constant gunfire. It's real sweet having a cig and listening to explosions.

[Spartanburger]

Speaking of which, which candidate was accused the most of committing voter fraud this election cycle?
Against her own party no less?
Which was also brushed under the table.

Let me clarify. The voter fraud I was talking about is things like voting more than once, voting on the behalf of others, and ballot stuffing.

What happened during the primaries was a voter registration and infrastructure failing. There were not enough polls open, polls were not open long enough, and polls were not manned enough to handle the volume. Individuals had their party or registration switched.

These issues affected Republicans just as much as it did Democrats, yet for some reason, people still think that this is some sort of crazy Hillary conspiracy.

It's not.

Bernie lost the majority vote.

By a lot.

Like, over three million more people voted for her than for Bernie. If everyone affected by the issues mentioned above voted for Bernie, it would still not even be close. No voter fraud necessary, she won the popular vote in the primary election.

Sorry, there is no conspiracy for voter fraud here. He lost. I don't like it, but stooping to such bitter levels where the only way the system can be trusted is if my political candidate wins is just pathetic.

She is as untrustworthy and manipulative and downright destructive for your country as he potentially is.

This is a general statement beyond my (or your) ability to definitively say. However, going by the word of economists and businesses, she'd be far less damaging.

She wants to not only reverse any kinds of healthcare advances for your country (but she's flip flopped on that so many times when Bernie was still around so who knows her actual stance now),

There's always two minds to consider whenever a candidate "flip-flops." For one, they could just be changing their stance on a subject in order to be appealing to more people. On the other hand, it would be silly to expect candidates to never ever change their mind on certain policies when new evidence comes up, or more people support one thing, or whatever. Saying someone is a terrible candidate for "flip flopping" because they were against universal healthcare in the past, but are now supporting it is stupid. You may want to believe that they're just following the trends, but there's just as much reason to believe that it was a genuine change of heart.
You cannot put words and reasoning into someone else's mouth and assume it as fact. The only thing you can go on is what they have said, and what they are saying. The only thing you can go on right now is what she has put out on paper for her healthcare plan. And if you actually read it: She supports healthcare as a human right, expand the ACA (not reverse it, like you claim), give more options for healthcare, support the right to reproductive healthcare, the right to choose, and shift healthcare costs off of small businesses.

she supports outsourcing MORE work to asian markets instead of supporting creating more jobs at home,

Her tax plan, had you actually read it, does not support this statement. In fact, it directly opposes it.

she wants to double down on not improving Veteran's benefits (something I thought you'd find appalling BTW but to each his own)

Again, just as above, what she has written on paper regarding Veterans does not support this statement.

Look, I know people don't like Hillary, and for sometimes genuine reasons. But if you're going to start arguing policy, perhaps it's a good idea to actually know what the candidate's stance on certain policies are before you go about saying that someone wants to "destroy our healthcare system" or "tax everyone at 90%" or "remove all veterans benefits."

and on top of all of that her campaign is based mainly on imagery and playing the victimization/sexism card whenever her mistrust is brought up.

I agree that the whole "muh vagina" thing is old. Too many are quick to jump on the "you don't like her because she's a woman" thing. She hasn't done a lot to make herself very relateable.

But, I'd hope and expect that voters have some damn pride in their right and obligation to vote, by educating themselves on the things that actually matter, like policy. Falling into the trap of raving about sexism (on both sides) when discussing Hillary is about as useful as debating Obama's birth certificate, and Hillary and both her supporters and opponents are guilty of this. It wouldn't be an issue if the voter's response to it didn't make it an issue.

Oh and she still uses 9/11 like it happened literally the days before her speech.

My memory isn't the best, but I don't really remember any super serious "vote for me because 9/11" moments in the debate. From either candidate. I know it was brought up (again, by both candidates), but not in any amount that stood out.

I don't really have the time right now, but I'd bet if you look at history, Pearl Harbor was used in political cycles following WWII just as much, if not more, as 9/11 is used in today's political cycles.

And even when she can get all of that out of the way she still fails to meet target audiences with very easy to do things, such as not wearing a massively expensive suit to a speech with some of the poorest people in the state.

You know, I didn't like this either when I saw it happen, but after thinking about it, I'm not exactly sure why.

Seriously. She's a rich person, she wears rich clothes. The dress was ugly as all fuck, but still. It's like getting mad that I'm wearing a suit. I'm an accountant, I wear suits. She's a rich politician, she wears expensive clothes.

Is the expectation that, when she goes to speak to a group of poor people, that she wear a cheap $10 shirt picked up at the Banana republic or something? Why? She was giving a speech, not working in a soup kitchen, or something that would demand a different outfit.

And again, one should not be choosing political candidates based on what they wear.

[Zero Suit Rosalina]

Overwatch Symmetra Changes in the Works

sheesh
Took them long enough to start.
Although November is a long wait.

Honestly thought they should have begun working on her after D.va was buffed but whatever I guess.

[Mazder]

*Voter Fraud snip*

I never said there was a conspiracy, merely she was accused the most.

But if there was a need for them to express the mistrust they see and it's not denounced as much/disproven (meaning those with the tinfoil hats can continue and hide in the big chunk of people still believing it) then that at least shows there is a problem with people believing her if she does denounce it.

This is a general statement beyond my (or your) ability to definitively say. However, going by the word of economists and businesses, she'd be far less damaging.

Maybe.
That doesn't mean she is not the lesser of two evils in that particular category.

*flip-flop snip*

Well no that was just one example but she does change her stance very quickly and will refute anyone who says she once believed differently, opponents, or supporters. That's the main distinction when I think of a true flip-flopper. Where they'll use one argument against an opponent in the primaries and as soon as they're over, start using the opponents argument and saying that was their stance all along. It shows they're either manipulative and were basically lying during the primary, or they were actually swayed by their previous opponents evidence now they're no longer a threat, which just shows they'd prefer to be standoff-ish until they get the glory/credit, rather than enacting a change for the sake of change.

I'm not saying she did this all the way through but that's what people see when she changes stance, and rather quickly at that.

Her tax plan, had you actually read it, does not support this statement. In fact, it directly opposes it.

That may be.
I'm only saying what people see from her.
Not everyone goes and checks every document. A lot of people aren't clever enough to make heads or tails of it, even if they do. They need simple, very simple, answers, and her previous support of plans like the TPP are enough for some, even if the support was said in a passing "I'd support it if..." fashion.

Again, just as above, what she has written on paper regarding Veterans does not support this statement.

Look, I know people don't like Hillary, and for sometimes genuine reasons. But if you're going to start arguing policy, perhaps it's a good idea to actually know what the candidate's stance on certain policies are before you go about saying that someone wants to "destroy our healthcare system" or "tax everyone at 90%" or "remove all veterans benefits."

Well I'd say again that this is the hubris of her flip flop style, as she has gone on record as being against some of the things she is supporting now, even if it's only to be against what ever Bernie or Trump says to show she's against them.
And again this is coming from what I have seen put forth from people observing Hilary and not her documents. But not everyone goes into documentation. I doubt even 50% of voters ever even know where the documentation is available.

My memory isn't the best, but I don't really remember any super serious "vote for me because 9/11" moments in the debate. From either candidate. I know it was brought up (again, by both candidates), but not in any amount that stood out.

I don't really have the time right now, but I'd bet if you look at history, Pearl Harbor was used in political cycles following WWII just as much, if not more, as 9/11 is used in today's political cycles.

Well whenever any tiny bit of strife or togetherness is needed I have seen her bring it up, on more than one occasion.
I have seen her bring it up on a question about taxes and the economy, her response was "I know of the economy, where were we attacked on 9/11? Wall street and the world trade center. I was in the thick of it...etc" and went off on how after 9/11 she was in the middle of helping to fix the economy, which is fair as that did happen. But guess what was happening right around the time? Brexit. Where the market on the pound nosedived. I'd have thought that one economic circle would have affected another, especially one happening at that time, rather than 15 years ago.

But that's more of an issue I have with US politics in general.

I agree that the whole "muh vagina" thing is old. Too many are quick to jump on the "you don't like her because she's a woman" thing. She hasn't done a lot to make herself very relateable.

But, I'd hope and expect that voters have some damn pride in their right and obligation to vote, by educating themselves on the things that actually matter, like policy. Falling into the trap of raving about sexism (on both sides) when discussing Hillary is about as useful as debating Obama's birth certificate, and Hillary and both her supporters and opponents are guilty of this. It wouldn't be an issue if the voter's response to it didn't make it an issue.

Pretty much that in it's entirety.
I would also like the few comments she makes being along those same lines to just go away.

Again it's all about what people see, and they don't see much.
Even with the documentations and her policies would I say Hilary is trustworthy?
Maybe not. More than Trump, yeah, but I wouldn't go as far as give her my vote currently, not until she tries to make herself more relatable and show the policies in the open and fixes the flaws she has.

Also she should stop dressing like Dolores Umbride.

Seriously, maybe pink isn't her colour.

You know, I didn't like this either when I saw it happen, but after thinking about it, I'm not exactly sure why.

Seriously. She's a rich person, she wears rich clothes. The dress was ugly as all fuck, but still. It's like getting mad that I'm wearing a suit. I'm an accountant, I wear suits. She's a rich politician, she wears expensive clothes.

Is the expectation that, when she goes to speak to a group of poor people, that she wear a cheap $10 shirt picked up at the Banana republic or something? Why? She was giving a speech, not working in a soup kitchen, or something that would demand a different outfit.

And again, one should not be choosing political candidates based on what they wear.

Well I think it was more the speech had a few moments where it touched on the economy and class welfare and basically how she was going to fix the problems of the lower income class, while standing in a very flaunty dress-suit, thing.
I mean it wouldn't have been as bad if she had picked something less gaudy and more plain and simple looking to match her crowd.

I agree on that last point though, despite my previous judging.

Still my opinion on Trump or Hillary is moot anyway as I am a dirty foreigner.

[Someone With Mass]

When you're trying to enjoy a cup of tea and two choppers land on the field right outside your house. Must say that movies seriously underplay how obnoxiously loud those things are.

I have Apaches, Chinooks, and Blackhawks rumble overhead every day.

As well as Predators and Ravens.

Artillery in the night, sometimes I'll hear miniguns. And constant gunfire. It's real sweet having a cig and listening to explosions.

Well, that comes with being in the military. Then again, it's not the oddest thing I've seen land in that field. There was that one time a skydiver landed there, followed by two hot air balloons half an hour later. The week after that, a fleet of Irish gypsies and their trailers decided to play with their ATVs in the field and mess up the owner's crops.

The only thing that's missing now would be a small plane.

[Someone With Mass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an4KjBR_Z_g&ab_channel=LiquidGaming

Mercy: "Sometimes, I'm not sure why I even bother."

Pharah: "This isn't flying. It's falling with style."

Pharah: "You want me to morph into a ball?"

Reinhardt: "This is no castle. It's a tomb."

[Zero Suit Rosalina]

It's a me!!
Lucio! !!

That and the Pharah voice lines are voice lines are great. As much as I love the samus and the refrence to her. I think the buzz qoute fits her perfectly.