Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

[TheodoricFriede]

I am on the high road,

Well you certainly sound high.

[Mazder]

These people should give a fuck about the decline of their country. Not the proposed decline put forth by someone who's actively fucking the country, but the decline evident in the fact that they don't care.

I am on the high road, Mazder. Just a shame that it's so muddled that people can't tell the difference any more.

Maybe they just don't care in relation to talking to you because you give them no cause to care.
Maybe they're so stacked against you and your position as you present it that the aspects of right and wrong go out the window and it all becomes not being seen with/around you.

And no, you're not on the high road, far from it. You're just as childish, inflammatory and abusive as anyone else here. And maybe it's so muddled because you're nowhere near a saint in representing your side's position.
Hell you have me and Theo agreeing with each other by getting us to not agree with your position (I hope I am also not putting words in your mouth Theo, if I am I do apologize). If you were taking the high road your opposition would be shrinking, not growing. If you had the high road you wouldn't fight on a level of just insults, you wouldn't continue a fight. But you do.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

...I'm more confused how me thinking the stock market isn't crashing apocalypticly after a 450 point drop is "selfish".

You disagree with Mobius and he doesn't like you. This leads him to pick a handful of stock insults and then throw them at you.

For example with me he would often use the fact that I have money as an insult. In fact he once used CAPITALIST as an insult. Which really tells you all you need to know about the mental stability of the man.

Now this doesn't particularly bother me. I've been pretty up front about using Mobius as a lolcow for at least the last year. But it can definitely get to some.

[Mobius_118]

Oh GAC, your chicanery has been a source of entertainment for me for about the same amount of time.

It gets even better when you think I'm the unstable loon here. Stay shitty, you endless portable shithouse.

[Mazder]

Oh GAC, your chicanery has been a source of entertainment for me for about the same amount of time.

It gets even better when you think I'm the unstable loon here. Stay shitty, you endless portable shithouse.

Well so far it's 3 vs 1...so you do the math...

[Mobius_118]

I've had a better challenge from a toddler that wouldn't eat her food.

You're all fucking weak.

[Raga]

C'mon now, we're adults.

It's shit head for you.

But no, seriously. I paid attention back then. Deregulation led to the housing bubble bursting at the Great Recession. It's happening again, and here you are acting like what I expected. Now we're seeing the beginnings of another recession, and...what, it's the liberals fault? Get real.

Clinton deregulated the banks. http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=56922 (And I might add that the other Clinton was the most traditionally pro-giant investment bank of any of the major contenders in the 2016 elections. There were some more pro bank Jeb Bush style Republicans who flamed out almost at once).

Also, it makes sense for stocks to slow down now, Trump or no Trump. It's actually *good* for them to slow down a bit as they are likely grotesquely overvalued at the moment because it's been the only way to make money for some time. They will keep going down as long as the Fed keeps raising interest rates, and it's good for the Fed to raise interest rates as the economy continues to strengthen. Lowering interest rates is one of the main ways they combat a recession. Think of it as slowly reloading a gun to be used in fiscal emergencies. As is, the magazine has been dangerously near empty since it was depleted for the Great Recession.

[TTTX]

I've had a better challenge from a toddler that wouldn't eat her food.

You're all fucking weak.

says the guy, who bitch on Trump on the internet as soon anything goes wrong, instead of actually doing something.

[Mobius_118]

I've had a better challenge from a toddler that wouldn't eat her food.

You're all fucking weak.

says the guy, who bitch on Trump on the internet as soon anything goes wrong, instead of actually doing something.

Well when he's basically pulling tinpot dictator moves, it's easy to see him as a source of stupidity. Some people here revel in the chaos he's been causing, like GAC, in all of his childish glee.

And I did about as much as I could legally by voting, although it's hard to count that seeing as how it was a military absentee ballot, that I got to watch an official dump into the trash.

So, fuck the fucker. Fuck anyone who thinks him and his party are any good for the nation and the world.

[Mazder]

I've had a better challenge from a toddler that wouldn't eat her food.

You're all fucking weak.

Ah yes, the "well to me you don't even add up to one so it's not even a contest".
It's one step up the ladder from "I'm rubber and you're glue!"

Seriously it's just pathetic.
"huurr you're all weak because I say so because I'm the only one on my side and there are more of you, so there..."

Well when he's basically pulling tinpot dictator moves, it's easy to see him as a source of stupidity. Some people here revel in the chaos he's been causing, like GAC, in all of his childish glee.

And I did about as much as I could legally by voting, although it's hard to count that seeing as how it was a military absentee ballot, that I got to watch an official dump into the trash.

So, fuck the fucker. Fuck anyone who thinks him and his party are any good for the nation and the world.

So then write to your congressman and any public officials and throw support behind them. Gather up like-minded folks to do the same.
If your vote was thrown out then leave the system throwing your votes out and get your vote to matter. If you don't then clearly there are more things that matter to you than your vote. If it's your job as part of the system that supports trump/has to follow his orders then don't be a part of it. Actually do the things which would make your vote effective.
And, yeah, fuck Trump. I've never been a supporter of him. But ya keep putting me on the side that does for simply not being aligned with you.

And if you think about it there is some good he's done. He's brought all those you don't like into the light that were originally behind the scenes, he's given you all new targets. From that alone he's done one thing to help your side.
Oh wait, no, is that an evil? Is that a bad to acknowledge you can now see all the bad guys now?!
Uh oh, better ignore it as wrongthink!!!!

[Mobius_118]

Do better, Mazder.

[Mazder]

Do better, Mazder.

Why?
I'm not the one bitching about how things are going to shit whilst also having the means an tools to actually change it.

Get off your high horse, remove the chip from your shoulder, stop thinking you're the fucking messiah of the site and eat some humble fucking pie and act like a human being for once in your life.
Because honestly whenever you speak I don't want to care. I don't give a shit when you open your mouth. In fact at this point I am so tired of hearing your hysterics that I almost want your country to follow mine down the toilet just to give you the aneurysm you'd get when you'd actually have to deal with your problems AND be in the authoritarian state we're in in the UK.

You think you're all that but you're not.
If you want us to even think of you as anything more then start acting like it. Stop making excuses, stop this 2I do it because they do it" bullshit and start being the person you think you are.

And this is coming form ME.
I'm no fucking saint either.

[DarkStorm]

I dont why you guys are even bothering with him. Its obvious he comes here and vent and that's it. His too close minded in his bubble, there are just some people you can't reason with.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

See I'm not even fond of Mazder and I thought that was fucking beautiful.

Mobius you've managed to turn EVERYONE against you. That's damned impressive.

[Mazder]

See I'm not even fond of Mazder and I thought that was fucking beautiful.

Mobius you've managed to turn EVERYONE against you. That's damned impressive.

Heh and I ain't fond of you too ya beautiful bastard.

Do I at least get a retarded participation award or a "you tired" ribbon?

EDIT: Oh, also;
4 shot after shooting at Youtube HQ.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43635864

Oh look, it's almost if Gun Control does jack shit when it happens in the state with some of the strictest Gun Control in the country.

[DarkStorm]

And a woman no less, kinda rare to see that.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

See I'm not even fond of Mazder and I thought that was fucking beautiful.

Mobius you've managed to turn EVERYONE against you. That's damned impressive.

Heh and I ain't fond of you too ya beautiful bastard.

Do I at least get a retarded participation award or a "you tired" ribbon?

Sure. I was more of a dick towards you than I would have intended because I was legitimately outraged for the first time in a long time. We don't agree on anything but you're more reasonable than Mobius could ever hope to be.

He sees himself as the last virtuous man and it's hilarious.

[Mazder]

Sure. I was more of a dick towards you than I would have intended because I was legitimately outraged for the first time in a long time. We don't agree on anything but you're more reasonable than Mobius could ever hope to be.

He sees himself as the last virtuous man and it's hilarious.

And I am more able to have my ideas change if it's able to be seen.
Mind you sometimes I also get heated too and my devils advocacy gets me into more hot water than I care to admit.

I'm trying to string together a "patience is a virtue" and "mental patient joke" in my head but it's just not coming together.

[Mobius_118]

I just want to know why you mealy mouthed maggots give trump a pass on, let's just say the Stock Market having a downward trend on his whim, when even an 1/8 of a market loss garnered Obama a rage boner from people like you.

Double standard, much?

I'm not going to go away, and holy fuck are all of you going to be eating your words when trump and his entire administration gets thrown in prison. Just on the Stormy Daniels thing, why pay her hush money if nothing happened?

All it takes is a little critical thinking skills, which you clearly lack, to put two and two together.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Nah. Obama was a limp wristed cuck. But generally the president can't be blamed for what happens with the economy during their presidency. Unless they regulate or deregulate like a motherfucker.

He looked weak. Consistently everywhere that wasn't Western Europe.

[Mobius_118]

Yeah, that's why Bin Laden died via multiple gunshots from the SEALS. Because he was weak. That's also why ISIS was close to being done due to the constant strikes on their infrastructure. Because he was weak.

Russia didn't fuck with us until his favorite puppet came onto the scene, NK wasn't as rambunctious, and we were an actual super power.

Now we have trump who's easily angered by slights against his hands. He's easily provoked over anything.

Name one thing trumps fake bravery has done that's been legitimately good for the country. Not perceived, actual good. Bullying your way through a UN meeting doesn't count.

[Mazder]

I just want to know why you mealy mouthed maggots give trump a pass on, let's just say the Stock Market having a downward trend on his whim, when even an 1/8 of a market loss garnered Obama a rage boner from people like you.

Double standard, much?

I'm not going to go away, and holy fuck are all of you going to be eating your words when trump and his entire administration gets thrown in prison. Just on the Stormy Daniels thing, why pay her hush money if nothing happened?

All it takes is a little critical thinking skills, which you clearly lack, to put two and two together.

If you're including me in that insult then let me put it in plain terms.
I don't give Trump a pass and I didn't give Obama one either. I, in fact, gave no thought to it as it's not something I have control of, nor ever shall. Is your country still the world's Superpower? Yes. Then no need to worry yet.

Also I am not going to be eating any words on Trump and if any of this current administration end up in prison as I have no connection or affiliation or kindness for the man.

What I do have is watching the far left and far right both throwing hysterical bitchfits whenever he makes a move.
Plus he's, y'know, not my government so hes a funny distraction away from the shitshow over here.

Yeah, that's why Bin Laden died via multiple gunshots from the SEALS. Because he was weak. That's also why ISIS was close to being done due to the constant strikes on their infrastructure. Because he was weak.

Russia didn't fuck with us until his favorite puppet came onto the scene, NK wasn't as rambunctious, and we were an actual super power.

Now we have trump who's easily angered by slights against his hands. He's easily provoked over anything.

Name one thing trumps fake bravery has done that's been legitimately good for the country. Not perceived, actual good. Bullying your way through a UN meeting doesn't count.

Yeah...because Obama was on the mission, in the helicopters and not at a desk under the most amount of safety possible.
If your definition of strong is being able to give a kill order on a long standing enemy then TBH there is a lot more to worry on your definition of strength.

Also Trump has made the Europeans have some entertainment in political terms and some relief that "hey, things are bad, but at least we're not Trump". Or was that another "USA only matters" based question?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Mobius. I know this is hard for you to understand. But you've lost the argument here.

Even people who agree with you politically want nothing to do with you because you're such a blinkered bigoted fanatic that ANYONE who deviates in ANY way from the party line is an enemy.

Me? I'm a shitlord I like winding people like you up because you're entertaining. Everyone else is sick of it though. Hell you even got the ardent centrist MAZDER against you.

That's damned impressive.

He's also making moves on NAFTA and trade deals with China. Big dick Moves that cuck Barry never would have tried to make.

The Donald also hasn't been selling large amounts of arms to Mexican Drug Cartels.

Yeah buddy. Some people remember Fast and Furious.

[Mazder]

Me? I'm a shitlord I like winding people like you up because you're entertaining. Everyone else is sick of it though. Hell you even got the ardent centrist MAZDER against you.

Left leaning centrist at that!

[Mobius_118]

You're just a devils advocate, Maz. Not your country, still your problem because we have a weak little cock-holster as a president. He gets provoked, he'll push for first strike regardless of what Congress says.

Mobius. I know this is hard for you to understand. But you've lost the argument here.

Even people who agree with you politically want nothing to do with you because you're such a blinkered bigoted fanatic that ANYONE who deviates in ANY way from the party line is an enemy.

Me? I'm a shitlord I like winding people like you up because you're entertaining. Everyone else is sick of it though. Hell you even got the ardent centrist MAZDER against you.

That's damned impressive.

He's also making moves on NAFTA and trade deals with China. Big dick Moves that cuck Barry never would have tried to make.

The Donald also hasn't been selling large amounts of arms to Mexican Drug Cartels.

Yeah buddy. Some people remember Fast and Furious.

Operation Fast and Furious failed due to lack of operational controls.

Trump's NAFTA is a continuation of Obama's TPP.

Like any other schoolyard bully, trump is copying homework from the better student.

Try again, dickless.

[Mazder]

You're just a devils advocate, Maz. Not your country, still your problem because we have a weak little cock-holster as a president. He gets provoked, he'll push for first strike regardless of what Congress says.

Nah, we're gonna screw ourselves over before the effects of the USA come over here.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

You're just a devils advocate, Maz. Not your country, still your problem because we have a weak little cock-holster as a president. He gets provoked, he'll push for first strike regardless of what Congress says.

Nah, we're gonna screw ourselves over before the effects of the USA come over here.

Yes. The peoples are Europe are quite capable of causing their own problems. Despite Mobius' insane delusions most of the things going on in the world aren't because of Trump.

[Mobius_118]

No rebuttal, GAC?

Get fucked then.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

No rebuttal, GAC?

Get fucked then.

You are an angry child that can't accept that the candidate you wanted lost an election and that the exact opposite of what you want has some genuine popular support.

You are the cancer that killed the left. Revel in that.

[Mobius_118]

Really? You didn't even offer a counter. Because there isn't one.

You'll continue to be a petulant cock-holster, GAC. Nothing more, everything less.

[DarkStorm]

When a counter is made you either don't respond to it, ignore it, redirect it, or change the subject. So that's the point?

[Mobius_118]

Just reflecting back what I get from you chucklefucks.

[TheodoricFriede]

When a counter is made you either don't respond to it, ignore it, redirect it, or change the subject. So that's the point?

You forgot to add "and say something crass, vulgar, or gross."

[Mazder]

When a counter is made you either don't respond to it, ignore it, redirect it, or change the subject. So that's the point?

You forgot to add "and say something crass, vulgar, or gross."

All the while claiming it to be a reflection of what was given despite the fact he did it first and is usually the first to resort to it.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

When a counter is made you either don't respond to it, ignore it, redirect it, or change the subject. So that's the point?

You forgot to add "and say something crass, vulgar, or gross."

All the while claiming it to be a reflection of what was given despite the fact he did it first and is usually the first to resort to it.

Which is coincidentally what Theo has been saying about him for years. Most of the rest of us just weren't really able to see it back then.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJK5iQYe0xE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__WFuibmY6c

And some food for thought for the people who aren't fanatics.

[Mobius_118]

GAC I trust legal experts and professionals over some leather coat wearing, jesus looking motherfucker who sounds like a crackhead. The Emoluments clause violations, the obstruction of justice, the dozens of other impeachable offenses make it so Trump very much so is guilty, and going to prison.

Lewis Black basically said it best.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I like how even your vaunted Media have finally been forced to admit the truth. And you STILL won't accept it.

You really ARE a fanatic. It's glorious.

[Mobius_118]

...The fuck are you talking about now?

My vaunted media admitted what, exactly? Because without a source I'm not taking anything you fucking say at face value. Libertarian sacks of shit have a tendency to do what you're doing with a religious zeal that far surpasses any fake fanaticism you accuse others of.

[Vol]

National Guard will be deployed to the Mexican border.

DOW rebounded 700 points to finish in the green today.

China, who already had many tariffs on US goods, has decided to respond to our tariffs with more, on soy, cars, and whiskey. Trump responded with possible new tariffs on products such as bakery ovens and ball bearings.

The way in which people grossly overestimate the strength and position of China speaks volumes to how effective their influence campaign has been. Just like they duped Nixon and Kissinger.

[FrozenShadow]

You're just a devils advocate, Maz. Not your country, still your problem because we have a weak little cock-holster as a president. He gets provoked, he'll push for first strike regardless of what Congress says.

Nah, we're gonna screw ourselves over before the effects of the USA come over here.

Funnily enough, Russia too is now throwing more crap on Britain situation with this whole "poison scandal - sending Diplomats away - Russia just now calling UN security council meeting" over this mess.

Granted, this whole thing seems more of making a mountain from a small hill than a serious matter.

[FrozenShadow]

National Guard will be deployed to the Mexican border.

DOW rebounded 700 points to finish in the green today.

China, who already had many tariffs on US goods, has decided to respond to our tariffs with more, on soy, cars, and whiskey. Trump responded with possible new tariffs on products such as bakery ovens and ball bearings.

The way in which people grossly overestimate the strength and position of China speaks volumes to how effective their influence campaign has been. Just like they duped Nixon and Kissinger.

Yeah, that National guard part is going to go so well. Especially most of illegal immigrants aren't coming from Mexico anymore and it has been like that for last few years. And if that guard is going there to work against drug related problems, now that could be beneficial.

Of course, Trump might have got clever idea of not only making military financing his wall, but he now send National guard to be a workforce for it. Yes, I'm joking here..... though you never know.

About tariffs between US and China increasing..... beginning of trade war now or just momentarily dick measuring contest between two of the largest markets in the world?

[TheodoricFriede]

DOW rebounded 700 points to finish in the green today.

oh wow who could have predicted

[Raga]

On National Guard at the border. Basically done by most presidents in recent memory, including Obama: https://www.npr.org/2018/04/04/59943674 ... mexican-bo

On China/trade war stuff. There are two principal ways that an actual trade war with China will hurt people in the US. 1. White color people that work for giant international firms that sell a huge percentage of their goods & services in China (like the automakers) *might* see wage stagnation or layoffs if the product in question is something that China can ramp up production of domestically or get someplace else for cheaper. 2. Investor class people who make most of their money by unrelenting expansion of aforementioned gigantic firms into the developing world will see profits accelerate more slowly and thus some of the most aggressively profitable (but quite socially useless for anybody not in the investor class) industries like investment banking and real estate development will stagnate.

So where does this leave the bulk of the rest of us, the 70%+ that comprises the rest of the population? We will pay slightly more (on the order of a few odd cents to the dollar) on cheap rubbish from China. So, you know, that shitty $50 microwave that will crap out on you after two years might now cost $55. Or the shitty $10 doodad you bought for your toddler might now cost $11.50. And *maybe* it *might* succeed in rejuvenating some manufacturing here, in which case you can spend $200 on a nonshit microwave that lasts for 20 years. Or if you not, you can pay the $200 for a comparable German one or a South Korean one or a Japanese one or one from anyplace that doesn't owe most of its economic strength to sweatshops. Any money put back into the democratic, developed world is not a loss. Those are the kind of trade partners we actually want to have.

*Edit* Relevant: http://www.paecon.net/PAEtexts/Chang1.htm Sorry for crap quality of website. It's an actual article I swear but that's the only place I could find hosting full text.

Or basically anything involving this guy's ideas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_List

[Vol]

Yeah, that National guard part is going to go so well. Especially most of illegal immigrants aren't coming from Mexico anymore and it has been like that for last few years. And if that guard is going there to work against drug related problems, now that could be beneficial.

Of course, Trump might have got clever idea of not only making military financing his wall, but he now send National guard to be a workforce for it. Yes, I'm joking here..... though you never know.

About tariffs between US and China increasing..... beginning of trade war now or just momentarily dick measuring contest between two of the largest markets in the world?

They won't be armed, but having more eyes and ears down there will help reduce all traffic, which includes drugs, so it's something.

Oh...who knows? Trump's floating $100,000,000,000 in tariffs in retaliation of the new China ones now. I mean, if we do go full trade war now, we would win, China is not nearly as tough as we're conditioned to believe, but it'll be painful for us luxury-obsessed Americans, which then puts pressure on our nutless leaders in an election year. So...flip a coin!

[Raga]

A question. Can raising a question be inherently problematic? For backstory, I have started reading a book which has caused a massive brouhaha as to whether the writer has accurately categorized libertarians and the Koch brothers funded movement or whether she is selectively quote mining them to make it appear they are advocating things which they are not. A brief example of the type of criticism put forward here: http://bradleyahansen.blogspot.com/2017 ... rical.html

What's funny is that though I totally agree with the spirit of the criticism put forward by this guy, the particular example he used about child labor actually had the opposite effect of what he wanted in that it made his argument seem *less* convincing. It immediately makes me ask: "But why would you even raise the question of child labor *at all?*" It's not like there is any particular obvious reason to raise this question such as a plague of children left alone being murdered or a horrible worker shortage or whole families starving from low wages or whatever. It appears there is no non-esoteric or "thought for the sake of thought" reason to raise this question in the first place. And given that the only place where purely esoteric or "thought experiment" reasons are sufficient justification are academic places that are concerned mostly with teaching people how to think and not with exacting any particular outcome, it raises the question: When actually discussing policy in government or a think tank or whatever, what purpose does raising a question purely for esoteric reasons serve? And there appears to be an obvious, available answer: Because the real reason you raise the question is bad and you know it and you know your audience knows it, so you hide it under the only acceptable mantle available to you, that of generic intellectual curiosity. So to go back to the child labor question, the actual reason you raise it is because you know that employing 5 year olds would cost you a lot less money and that they would make pretty much no demands for workplace safety and so on.

It actually puts me in mind of some of these campus protesters and made me consider an angle of theirs I had not before. When some of these actually inflammatory people come to lecture on campus, say, some "black people are just dumber than white people" type presenter, what purpose is even served by raising this question? Are there any non-esoteric answers to that? Are there times when asking a question is inherently so suspicious that it cannot be asked in anything like good faith and that the mere asking of it is sufficient grounds to disqualify the speaker's argument?

[Vol]

Yes, but it doesn't matter. But no, though it should.

In a practical sense, raising extreme points of view as questions is useful for testing the limits of a current paradigm. That then refines the belief by adversity, forging coherence. If we embrace free speech, then we must allow Nazis, pedophiles, Marxists, foreign special interests, and buffoons to speak too. If we embrace individuality, we must accept the state will therefore be antagonistic. If we embrace white collar and service jobs as the future of our economy, we accept needing a slave labor caste to handle the peasant toiling. When those questions are buried, it highlights the cognitive dissonance that will lead to inevitable failure, which all man-made systems eventually reach. So to treat any possible question as "problematic" and passively prevent it being raised through various pressures therefore harms the legitimacy of a belief, regardless of malicious intent.

If the cult of diversity cannot handle the question of why blacks should be equal to whites despite [Crime rates, IQ, culture, whatever point someone might raise] even being raised, then such a weak philosophy has no business being dominant. It should have answers, or it will wilt and die.

If you cannot answer why I should support your right to work and vote and decide your reproductive future, then on what basis do your beliefs matter? it should be trivial to answer any of those questions, no matter how offensive you might find them.

If I cannot answer why the western male should not be browbeat, medicated, pussy-whipped, and poisoned with soy by the global ruling elite, then my advocacy is lacking a basis to resist.

To note, I'm speaking in philosophical context here, as opposed to agents of the state kafkatrapping people for authoritarian purposes.

So in short, yes, questions can be inherently problematic, and that is good. Regardless of intent, a strong and valuable belief system can handle being tested on the extremes. Until it doesn't, and then something new and stronger will arise. But if you want to question my conclusion with malice, I can still formulate a consistent answer. And if I cannot, then it's time to change myself.

[Raga]

But that assumes that all challenges without answers or answers that are satisfactory to a given powerful minority or a majority must necessarily lead to a better outcome. Just because your challenge has no immediate answer does not mean that the system you are advocating for must necessarily be better. It does not follow, say, that just because there may be no valid way to counter the argument that some race on average is more intelligent than another or something that that legitimizes Jim Crow. And since most people know that and agree with that, what precisely is the point in entertaining this line of thought at all? Freedom of speech just means that you won't be locked up for saying it. It in no way means that we have to legitimize it is a genuine area of inquiry worth studying by providing a platform at a university or a conference or the like.

Some challenges really are about nothing but subversion. The specific argument made in this case is irrelevant because people are simply using whatever argument they think is most likely to get an outcome that they want. Whether that outcome is good or not is irrelevant. It's not about the free market of ideas and may the best idea win. They want it because it will almost certainly be good for them specifically. These are easily how most of the libertarian arguments put forward by billionaires work. They are not employing arguments in good faith because they're usually not even arguing for what they actually think. They are talking about Anschluss and Lebensraum when what they really mean is liquidation and Judenrein. They are talking about states rights when what they really mean is right to own human beings as property. They are arguing in the way that Russia conducts foreign policy, by general duplicity that promotes destabilization because a weak and destabilized society is easier to take advantage of.

[DarkStorm]

https://www.facebook.com/YourPageIsFunny/videos/10155691381783386/

[Vol]

"Better" in the Darwinian sense, yes. Morally, no, the victor is not always just, but I see human beliefs as an extension of the struggle of life itself, because that is our sole frame of context. So in the sense that evolution will sift through the sum total of all living expressions of DNA, and the fittest get to pass theirs on, the realm of human philosophies is the same. And we are very, very young.

So in that sense, you don't need an answer to every question. If we get rid of Jim Crow because the abolitionists were just better at getting people to listen to them and do what they say, and they never addressed the logical "why," then their belief wins. We get rid of Jim Crow, they become the dominant perspective. And they've also set up their own eventual replacement. "Just go with it, it's the right thing to do," is a hollow justification, even if in the context of western civilization it's moral and fair. So by then quashing the dissent of subversive questions, the weakness is exposed. Refusal to entertain is intellectual submission, assuming an academic setting.

I would argue that the vast, near total majority of challenges are subversive. But yes, you're right, beliefs are tools to get what you want, and hypocrisy is expected. But that's true of all but the most rigorously consistent people to have ever lived, which is fucking hard. I try, and I slip often, it takes conscious effort and self-examination to not latch onto the most handy and effective cudgel nearby. So with your premise taken as true, why then are any of the dominant beliefs not equally as facile? Because they are powerful, they are better than the challenge, though they were put in place and wielded just as flippantly by people just as fallible as any who've ever lived?