Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

[TheodoricFriede]

NO IT IS YOU WHO HAS HIS HEAD SHOVED UP HIS ASS.

Real fucking slick, Mobius. Your razor sharp wit never ceases to amaze.

[Mazder]

Clinton won by 3 million votes, and our Electoral College failed us.

So what is your alternative to just the popular vote?
Because the popular vote basically means 10 cities can outvote the entire rest of the country. That shit is way more detestable, IMO.

So any answer Mob or are you going to ignore the question...again?

[TheodoricFriede]

So any answer Mob or are you going to ignore the question...again?

"The sun was in her eyes."

"Her controller was broken"

"Theres lag on her TV"

"He cheated!"

[Raga]

Though I've never found a completely accurate descriptor, I think I might actually be a paleoconservative after a bunch of reading on this.

Whatever these people are: https://www.frontporchrepublic.com/

[TTTX]

That would totally work if it weren't for, you know, the mountain of evidence, the indictments, the guilty pleas, the Russian agents caught in our country committing the exact operation to sway votes...

You ever think it could be both?

Also, the Rosenstein impeachment is already being pulled back.

Who would've thought that a man conducting an investigation wouldn't want to give up his sources so as to protect the integrity of the investigation isn't guilty of anything illegal?

I'll be honest, the so called evidence doesn't convince me, mostly because you know most of the voters could still vote on whoever they wanted.

everyone have skeletons in their closets especially politicians and pretty much all of them would be in prison for one reason or other.

[Mobius_118]

Clinton won by 3 million votes, and our Electoral College failed us.

So what is your alternative to just the popular vote?
Because the popular vote basically means 10 cities can outvote the entire rest of the country. That shit is way more detestable, IMO.

So any answer Mob or are you going to ignore the question...again?

I was out doing errands.

If we wanted a pure numbers based election, the popular vote would, in effect, tell us who we want as our elected officials.

The electoral vote, which takes the aggregate number of voters in a state and the majority is which way the state swings, works as long as there isn't any outside interference ie: Russian agents putting out vast amounts of propaganda.

The US wanted Clinton. This is undeniable. The electoral college gave us trump, which hasn't worked at all.

NO IT IS YOU WHO HAS HIS HEAD SHOVED UP HIS ASS.

Real fucking slick, Mobius. Your razor sharp wit never ceases to amaze.

I call it how I and a vast majority of the rest of the nation sees it.

I have bigger things to worry about right now than people on a forum. I always do.

Like getting my dental coverage back after a trump policy deemed it necessary to privatize for the military. Just a thought, maybe, just maybe, I have a better understanding than you on who gets affected by the damaging policies the deranged loony puts out.

[Mazder]

I was out doing errands.

If we wanted a pure numbers based election, the popular vote would, in effect, tell us who we want as our elected officials.

The electoral vote, which takes the aggregate number of voters in a state and the majority is which way the state swings, works as long as there isn't any outside interference ie: Russian agents putting out vast amounts of propaganda.

The US wanted Clinton. This is undeniable. The electoral college gave us trump, which hasn't worked at all.

The big population centers wanted Clinton.
That is not the same as "The US wanted Clinton".
Ignoring literally entire states over a few densely populated cities is entirely preposterous and is honestly the reason why things like the Electoral college exists.
Otherwise there is literally no reason why a candidate should try to win anywhere other than New York, LA, Philly, Houston, Chicago, Pheonix, San Diego, San Antonio, San Jose and Dallas.

So, basically if 6 out of the current 50 states can get someone elected that means ALL of the USA wants that candidate in?

First Past the Post is a really annoying system if you happen to be one of the few who are in the state that swings towards one candidate, but the one you supports technically gets more votes overall.
First Past The Post makes the popular vote even more pointless ass it basically makes it so they only have to barely win in low population states to snork up all the states needed to win.
It takes the current problem and just flips it on it's head, it's not a good solution.

Also weren't there a few videos going around of Hillary supporters "just rounding up" when counting the votes for the primaries? I am sure no meddling of any sort possibly could have happened with her party. Nah, leftists are all goody and are incapable of tampering.

[TheodoricFriede]

You know, now seems like a good time to post this New York Times opinion piece.

How Trump Won Re-Election

For better or worse, it seems pretty spot on.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Mobius is going to end up in a padded cell.

It's going to be hilarious.

[Mobius_118]

Mobius is going to end up in a padded cell.

It's going to be hilarious.

Or dead in a desert because the shitstain in chief decided a war with Iran was a great way to save face.

[Mobius_118]

So, Russians admitted to attacking the 2016 elections, and most of you refuse to accept it. Then you call me the crazy one.

I dunno, you're all nuts to me.

[Mazder]

So, Russians admitted to attacking the 2016 elections, and most of you refuse to accept it. Then you call me the crazy one.

I dunno, you're all nuts to me.

No, we refuse to accept they only attacked one side and that's the reason why Clinton failed.

What we can admit is Russia meddled with both parties because Russia sows Dissent into both parties to destabilize both to cause MAXIMUM DAMAGE.

Also when it's on view vs a collection of others (me, Raga, Theo, TTTX, DarkStorm and GAC all having different stances) it's kinda the singular view that is more likely to be the crazy one.

[Mobius_118]

I dunno man.

GAC takes pleasure in "making liberals cry" when we're sitting here working to undo the damage trump has done. He enjoys it at the detriment to himself. I know for a fact that GAC respects no law. Even after quoting the Constitutional violations trump commits, he's unabashedly shitty. Libertarians naturally are just shitty people.

Theo just doesn't like me for some reason that I could dig for but really don't care to. He matters little.

Darkstorm at least has the sense of mind to consider things differently.

Raga actually has intelligent things to say.

You're an impartial observer going through your own shit across the pond.

I'm a federal employee who has to deal with all of it and is studying law. The fact that trump is getting away with shit just because he's trump royally fucks with the legal system, which is designed to control citizen behavior and make sure we don't have mass pandemonium.

I have detailed the laws broken by trump and his administration. Few here actually care. It's like everyone is eating shit. You point out that it's shit, and they still keep eating it.

Wouldn't that piss you off?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

You've been this retardedly partisan and hyper aggressive since before the election was over.

You've maintained this level of insane outrage for the last two years. You are a joke Mobius. A joke that I occasionally quote to my "Evil Libertarian" buddies because they think it's hilarious that someone as dedicated to Socialism as you are is deluded enough to think you have the moral high ground.

[Mobius_118]

Right...

Perhaps if we didn't have a joke of an administration called the trump we'd have a very different situation.

You'd be foaming at the mouth more than you already are. Shitty libertarian's gonna be shitty. It's a good thing you're a political minority, otherwise your insipid style of government would lead to the collapse you pray for.

But as a student of law I and a soldier I have that unique view into the system that you don't have. You'd do well to remember that.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Your arrogance is really your best feature though.

It makes everything that has been happening even better. You and people like you deserve EVERYTHING that has happened. You've brought it upon yourselves and it is going to be delicious to watch your mind shatter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBdXxi2Ge4U

And for the people outside Mobius and his cult.

[Mobius_118]

Yeah, no. The law is not on trump's side, and he'll be buried by it.

Paying off mistresses with campaign money, collusion with russia, lying about it, using the White House to push products, financially benefiting from his hotels as a government official, the list goes on. There's evidence for everything, and it's concrete.

You're so confident, but you're going to be the one eating your words. And I'll be here to watch.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

You're so confident, but you're going to be the one eating your words. And I'll be here to watch.

Uh huh. Tell me all about it after the Midterms. And then after 2020.

Just imagine it for a second Mobius. Just imagine that you could be wrong. It'd break you. I'd tell you to learn history but you'd probably just start quoting Marx at me.

[Mobius_118]

Hey man, tapes means you're fucked.

And there are tapes of trump planning with Cohen to pay off a playboy bunny with campaign funds. A day later, Cohen produces more tapes of more incriminating evidence against trump.

Ask Nixon how that worked out.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Hey man, tapes means you're fucked.

And there are tapes of trump planning with Cohen to pay off a playboy bunny with campaign funds. A day later, Cohen produces more tapes of more incriminating evidence against trump.

Ask Nixon how that worked out.

The fact that nobody outside your echo chamber cares my dude.

Your cult has cried wolf so many times that people. Even people who otherwise WOULD have been in agreement with you have turned on you. You earned this. You made this happen.

Enjoy the ride fuckboi he's going in without lube.

[Mobius_118]

We'll see in November.

Then I want you to keep talking like a mewling quim. It'll continue to make you look foolish.

You're one of those dumbasses who thinks Watergate was a setup, don't you?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

We'll see in November.

Then I want you to keep talking like a mewling quim. It'll continue to make you look foolish.

You're one of those dumbasses who thinks Watergate was a setup, don't you?

Nope Watergate is a very different beast than MUH RUSSIA.

That was an actual scandal.

[Mobius_118]

Sure. Whatever you say.

Tapes still means he's fucked. There's over 100 tapes Cohen had of trump doing illegal business.

We in the Criminal Justice world call that evidence of a crime, with which he will be charged.

The GOP can waste years on Clinton finding nothing. Mueller has had more success in the past few months.

Call it what you want. Now we just have to go through the process of Due Process, and serve justice.

No one's above the law, GAC. Not even your god-emperor trump.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Talk to me again in 2020 cultist.

[Mobius_118]

Hey, remember when Clinton called trump putin's puppet, and he responded back, much like you are?

Turns out she's right, if you actually live in reality-land.

Point is, you call me a cultist as you reject reality. I've got the law on my side. How about you?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Hey, remember when Clinton called trump putin's puppet, and he responded back, much like you are?

Turns out she's right, if you actually live in reality-land.

Point is, you call me a cultist as you reject reality. I've got the law on my side. How about you?

Oh I have reality on my side dear. Your side has lost and will continue to lose as long as you hold fast to socialism and identity politics.

Enjoy 8 years of Trump. You made it happen.

[Mobius_118]

The US is already a Socialist nation, dumbass.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

The US is already a Socialist nation, dumbass.

It really isn't.

It's not even in the position to be a Social Democracy like the Scandinavian states. Having roads doesn't make a country socialist you mental midget.

[Mobius_118]

Tell yourself that as you drive on the roads paved with your taxes and eventually collect your social security check. Hell, when you call the cops on those black kids selling lemonade, they're paid for by your taxes as well.

When the realization hits you that you've been wrong since you decided to become a shitty libertarian, let us know.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Tell yourself that as you drive on the roads paved with your taxes and eventually collect your social security check. Hell, when you call the cops on those black kids selling lemonade, they're paid for by your taxes as well.

When the realization hits you that you've been wrong since you decided to become a shitty libertarian, let us know.

A system of taxation is not socialist Mobius.

[Mobius_118]

Experts disagree but...surely you know more than the experts, don't you?

At least you pretend to. The only place your way of thinking works is inside your own deranged little mind.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Experts disagree but...surely you know more than the experts, don't you?

At least you pretend to. The only place your way of thinking works is inside your own deranged little mind.

Again. You mental deficient. We aren't even enough of a "Social Democracy" to match the Scandinavian nations, who idiots like Sanders claim are living his socialist dream and made the Danes point out to him that No they are not actually socialists please stop calling them that.

Social programs does not a socialist nation make. But you are an idiot who consistently relies on appeals to authority so I legitimately dont't expect the nuance to mean much to you.

[Mazder]

I dunno man.

GAC takes pleasure in "making liberals cry" when we're sitting here working to undo the damage trump has done. He enjoys it at the detriment to himself. I know for a fact that GAC respects no law. Even after quoting the Constitutional violations trump commits, he's unabashedly shitty. Libertarians naturally are just shitty people.

Theo just doesn't like me for some reason that I could dig for but really don't care to. He matters little.

Darkstorm at least has the sense of mind to consider things differently.

Raga actually has intelligent things to say.

You're an impartial observer going through your own shit across the pond.

I'm a federal employee who has to deal with all of it and is studying law. The fact that trump is getting away with shit just because he's trump royally fucks with the legal system, which is designed to control citizen behavior and make sure we don't have mass pandemonium.

I have detailed the laws broken by trump and his administration. Few here actually care. It's like everyone is eating shit. You point out that it's shit, and they still keep eating it.

Wouldn't that piss you off?

Being pissed off is a far cry from being "the crazy one".
Being "the crazy one" all comes down to behaviour and mannerisms. The more you shout the sky is falling the less people will believe you when things are relatively fine in their circle of understanding.
I mean take what Trump did recently with the EU. Yeah he bullied his way across the Union and made himself look like a bully BUT he also got the Union to back down and accept American trade in Soy Beans and other products they were hard line against.
For the USA that's a trade success. Did he do it in the "nicest way"? No. Was he mean to allies, yeah. Did it work out for him? Yeah!
He went from a non-negotiable trade position to a position where the USA is on top.


GAC isn't wanting to make liberals cry, he want's the far left to cry. The far left abandoned being liberal about five-six years ago (at best).

Theo disagrees with you on many stances. The fact he doesn't like you is only reinforced by a willingness for you both to not agree to disagree. You both say the other is wrong and an idiot for not liking the other, using that as an excuse as to why what they think is stupid and incorrect. The sooner you both take personal feelings out of the argument the easier time you'll have getting down to policies and disagreeing in a more civil fashion.

Darkstorn considers things differently, yeah, but he's also not on the same line of thinking as you, it's also another one "against" your way of thinking as you're edging (if not firmly planted) in the far left "our way or death" method of politics.

Raga has many intelligent things to say, too much of it going over my simple head, but singling her out for that one trait alone implies you feel everyone else is not as intelligent or in the very least lesser than yourself as she's the only one to be called out as intelligent.

I am by far an impartial observer.
I despise Trump. I think he's a massive cunt. I am definitely biased and if I were a part of the US voting system I'd be encouraging a third party to come up out of this mess and provide a better alternative than both the limp-noodle Democrats and the harrumphing Republicans.
What Trump does directly affects my countries decisions regarding Brexit. If we feel the USA can't take care of it's allies, or is less than willing to, then we either have to reconsider going forward with it at all, or looking for other allies elsewhere....which we're not likely to do.

I would say that if the legal system is failing to hit Trump then there are three outcomes;
1) The system doesn't work
2) The people operating the system are bad at it
3) Trump isn't actually doing much of the things accused of and it's all hear-say and rumour.

Now anyone can be accused. Anyone can have a lot of assumptions and claims laid to them, a lot of "evidence" could even spring up" but if there are tribunals and investigations that don't find him guilty because of how the system is laid out for all members and no meddling was done on their behalf then they're innocent.
So far Trump is innocent of the accusations laid before him.
The more time the opposition spends fighting these accusations and the less time they focus on his policies, the more his way is going to find itself into the fabric of American law and society.

Yeah, no. The law is not on trump's side, and he'll be buried by it.

Paying off mistresses with campaign money, collusion with russia, lying about it, using the White House to push products, financially benefiting from his hotels as a government official, the list goes on. There's evidence for everything, and it's concrete.

You're so confident, but you're going to be the one eating your words. And I'll be here to watch.

Campaign money payed by his own wallet so any and all of his money can be linked by bank statements. Was the same bank account he used to fill up his gas tank part of spending government funds too? Was his take-out order a part of that too?
See how easy it is to "link" that kind of shit together? Trump used the same account for campaign money as he does for spending other things, therefor, spending campaign money on things.
That's pretty much why I never really believe those types of accusations.

Collusion with Russia. So far no actual evidence, only hearsay and rumours at best. Oh, but there are tapes. Taaaaapes. Yeah there are probably tapes for Hillary's "collusion" too, seeing as Russia meddled with BOTH parties. Oh but these with somehow never appear.

Using the White House to push products. He's a businessman who knows a brand deal will sell. Mind you I can't find what you're on about unless you mean the "made in america" stuff which TBH only equals trying to get America to make their own shit again, rather than rely on all of it being from trade.

Financially benefitting from his hotels. So he should just close them all down? Make no money from businesses he already held before he was president? Is there a law which states you can't also hold businesses as a president?
As far as I know there is now Law that requires it, even the 1978 Ethics in Government Act seems to not mention the President, Vice-President, Congress Member or Federal Judges.
Now if this is all about implying that because he has businesses in Russia (as he does in a pissload of other countries) that he'd be more lenient on them I'd say that's kinda BS as he'd also be lenient on all other places too and he's not been lenient on the UK, or CHYNYA!

Hey, remember when Clinton called trump putin's puppet, and he responded back, much like you are?

Not really.
He's a puppet in the same way that a derranged lunatic catching police's attention during a robbery so the robber can grab the cash is a puppet of the robber.
Putin is taking advantage on American distrust in Trump to do more shit than he was capable. Your country is fractured by rumour and hearsay and Putin knows how to manipulate that.
He disrupted and interfered with both political parties during the election, but now seeing as the Democrats are so hard-line putting more and more fuel on the fire of Russian meddling they're in fact opening the doors for more Russian meddling on the Democrat side.
The Democrats are not being self critical of their own party and that's exactly what Putin wants. On paper and at face value he'll show to support Trump whilst at the same time undermining the Democratic position to make it easier to actually begin influencing American politics like the Democrats fear.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy of the Democrats making.

The US is already a Socialist nation, dumbass.

Pfffft.
Yeah, no.
It has Socialist elements, like any democracy based society does, but it's not inherently Socialist.
If it were then the Capitalist structures of your....well nearly everything not government/state controlled, would not exist as they do currently.

Tell yourself that as you drive on the roads paved with your taxes and eventually collect your social security check. Hell, when you call the cops on those black kids selling lemonade, they're paid for by your taxes as well.

When the realization hits you that you've been wrong since you decided to become a shitty libertarian, let us know.

Taxes doesn't mean a socialist nation. It means the country uses socialist/societal based structures.

Experts disagree but...surely you know more than the experts, don't you?

At least you pretend to. The only place your way of thinking works is inside your own deranged little mind.

Again. You mental deficient. We aren't even enough of a "Social Democracy" to match the Scandinavian nations, who idiots like Sanders claim are living his socialist dream and made the Danes point out to him that No they are not actually socialists please stop calling them that.

Social programs does not a socialist nation make. But you are an idiot who consistently relies on appeals to authority so I legitimately dont't expect the nuance to mean much to you.

I thought it was Iceland, not Denmark.
Either way Iceland isn't even "Democratic Socialist" so it makes the point even more relevant as Iceland is even further from the claim than Denmark.

[TheodoricFriede]

Theo disagrees with you on many stances. The fact he doesn't like you is only reinforced by a willingness for you both to not agree to disagree. You both say the other is wrong and an idiot for not liking the other, using that as an excuse as to why what they think is stupid and incorrect. The sooner you both take personal feelings out of the argument the easier time you'll have getting down to policies and disagreeing in a more civil fashion.

Um EXCUSE me?

I offered a deal in which we both block one another and never interact again. I even asked Vol to try to enforce the deal.

If it were up to me we would have forgotten each other existed by now.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Honestly I'm still impressed at how thoroughly he has managed to turn just about everyone against him. He's so fanatical in his position that anyone that isn't in lockstep must be an enemy.

I'm sure he'll start claiming I'm a Russian agent by 2020.

Da Comrade influencing much many Amerikenski politics ya?

[TTTX]

I thought it was Iceland, not Denmark.
Either way Iceland isn't even "Democratic Socialist" so it makes the point even more relevant as Iceland is even further from the claim than Denmark.

and because of the refugees coming over the border right now, we are paying a heavy price for it.

[Mazder]

Um EXCUSE me?

I offered a deal in which we both block one another and never interact again. I even asked Vol to try to enforce the deal.

If it were up to me we would have forgotten each other existed by now.

Oh yeah, you did.
I had honestly completely forgotten about it.

My bad, I apologize.

Honestly I'm still impressed at how thoroughly he has managed to turn just about everyone against him. He's so fanatical in his position that anyone that isn't in lockstep must be an enemy.

I'm sure he'll start claiming I'm a Russian agent by 2020.

Da Comrade influencing much many Amerikenski politics ya?

Cheeki breeki!
Кажется, демократы сходят с ума. Видимо, социализм не злой, несмотря на то, что Россия почти полностью социалистична, а Россия - враг, учитывая крики сговора.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Um EXCUSE me?

I offered a deal in which we both block one another and never interact again. I even asked Vol to try to enforce the deal.

If it were up to me we would have forgotten each other existed by now.

Oh yeah, you did.
I had honestly completely forgotten about it.

My bad, I apologize.

Honestly I'm still impressed at how thoroughly he has managed to turn just about everyone against him. He's so fanatical in his position that anyone that isn't in lockstep must be an enemy.

I'm sure he'll start claiming I'm a Russian agent by 2020.

Da Comrade influencing much many Amerikenski politics ya?

Cheeki breeki!
Кажется, демократы сходят с ума. Видимо, социализм не злой, несмотря на то, что Россия почти полностью социалистична, а Россия - враг, учитывая крики сговора.

Действительно, товарищ. Это почти так, как будто они хотят выиграть для него выборы Трампа.

[Raga]

The Cyrilic alphabet is so weird. It's just similar enough that you think "Oh, I can push my way through that." And then you actually try and you realize "No, this might as well be Chinese characters."

[Mobius_118]

Once again, you've proven yourselves to be just...stupid.

Russia admits to attacking the election. We've arrested Russian agents doing exactly what we accused them of. Everyone in the trump administration is in the pockets of Russian banks.

Do you need it to be drawn in crayon? Want some fingerpaint? I'd give you the paste, but you'd probably eat it.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Notice how you sidestepped everyone correcting you about the US not actually being socialist.

Nifty.

[Mobius_118]

Cherry on top, Putin admitted at an international press conference at Helsinki that he helped trump win the election.

I hate to call a spade a spade, but you're all fucking nuts.

Notice how you sidestepped everyone correcting you about the US not actually being socialist.

Nifty.

I've said my piece, people disagree. I just look at the facts. Not my fault half the people here are vehemently stupid.

[Raga]

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/26/63096071 ... of-america

These people have some semi-interesting things to say and then:

"Here's how one socialist sums up his beliefs:

"I think we just need to realize that the end goal is, ultimately, like social control of the means of production," said Joe Cernelli, a founding member of that West Virginia DSA chapter. "You know we don't just want to improve capitalism, we will ultimately want to get rid of it."

That's not just his idea; the DSA views capitalism as an oppressive system — "We see it as fundamentally undemocratic," as DSA National Director Maria Svart put it. Here's how she sums up what the group wants:

"When it comes right down to it, we believe people need to be able to live a dignified life. I mean, there are certain things that should not be left up to the market," she said."

Nuts. The fundamental hang-up I have with actual Marxism (and the above is actual Marxism) is that they don't get *residential* private property. Seriously, do a quick examination of various economic systems through history. Compare the lot of people who personally own the dirt under their feet where they sleep at night and those who don't.

"Let's say you were negotiating at a bargaining table with workers in a bakery, and the workers said, 'Look, we want more than a quarter of the bread; we want half of the bread, or we want two-thirds of the bread,' " she said. "The socialist would say, 'Actually, we want the bakery. We want to control it all, for all of our benefit.' "

That's all well and good, but as you gut the private property laws that make that possible, what about residential private property? I've never met a socialist who had a good answer to this and most of them just stare at you in bewilderment because they never even thought of it. Socialism is a renter's inane utopia.

[TTTX]

Not to mention, pure Socialism pretty much just leads into Fascism (the 20th century are filled with such examples) and economic ruin in the long run.

[Mobius_118]

We've been a Socialist Democratic government since it's inception, so we've been doing well so far.

Now a handful of corporations control everything, pay no taxes. All thanks to trickle-down economics and the supporters of such who get all pissy whenever you challenge the idea.

Looking at you, GAC, you little corporate whore.

[TTTX]

We've been a Socialist Democratic government since it's inception, so we've been doing well so far.

Now a handful of corporations control everything, pay no taxes. All thanks to trickle-down economics and the supporters of such who get all pissy whenever you challenge the idea.

Looking at you, GAC, you little corporate whore.

You do know there was a time in your nation history where a couple rich people bought the presidency and it was only stopped because of pure luck as they pretty much ran the country.

[Raga]

The thing is that social ownership of stuff *can* work. We already have numerous models of it working with everything from public parks to roads to the NHS or whatever. But socialism is *so* hostile to any and all vestiges of capitalism that they have to gut liberalism from the ground up to get rid of it, because that's all capitalism is: it's an economic system based in the principles of liberalism. And you cannot have egalitarian civil rights outside of liberalism. They are inherently inimical to any other form of societal organization I know of: fascism, marxism, anarchism. Ironically, the next closest thing is probably feudalism where your privileges and duties are at least explicitly codified in law even if they vary wildly based on your social class.

A study of oppressive regimes would do people who want state ownership sans liberalism well. Whatever their organization or ideology, they routinely do two things: strip people of their citizenship to make them stateless with no recourse to civil rights and then with no property rights, they strip them of their property so they have no material means of resisting or fleeing. It's what the Nazis did to the Jews. It's what the Soviets did to the "kulaks." The best ways to render someone exploitable is to strip them of citizenship and property.

[Mazder]

The Cyrilic alphabet is so weird. It's just similar enough that you think "Oh, I can push my way through that." And then you actually try and you realize "No, this might as well be Chinese characters."

I know right?
Yet somehow it's still lumped into the Euorpean language sphere when the slavic tongues really should be their own sphere.

Once again, you've proven yourselves to be just...stupid.

Russia admits to attacking the election. We've arrested Russian agents doing exactly what we accused them of. Everyone in the trump administration is in the pockets of Russian banks.

Do you need it to be drawn in crayon? Want some fingerpaint? I'd give you the paste, but you'd probably eat it.

BOTH parties...
They did it to both.

Cherry on top, Putin admitted at an international press conference at Helsinki that he helped trump win the election.

I hate to call a spade a spade, but you're all fucking nuts.

I've said my piece, people disagree. I just look at the facts. Not my fault half the people here are vehemently stupid.

Gonna have to call a multiple citations needed on that one as all I saw and heard was Putin approving Trump and supporting in what he's doing. Supporting decisions in the sense of a platitude at a press talk doesn't equate to helping someone win an election, by any means.

We've been a Socialist Democratic government since it's inception, so we've been doing well so far.

Now a handful of corporations control everything, pay no taxes. All thanks to trickle-down economics and the supporters of such who get all pissy whenever you challenge the idea.

Looking at you, GAC, you little corporate whore.

Last I checked at the inception of your country you've been/tried to be a Republic, not a Socialist Democracy. The most accurate term is Presidential Democracy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_democracy

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We've been a Socialist Democratic government since it's inception, so we've been doing well so far.

Now a handful of corporations control everything, pay no taxes. All thanks to trickle-down economics and the supporters of such who get all pissy whenever you challenge the idea.

Looking at you, GAC, you little corporate whore.

The United States predates the advent of Socialism you ninny.

You are objectively wrong on this one. Fucking hell not even actual fucking Marxists think the US is socialist.

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So, lemme get this straight: I consult people, experts, who know significantly more than you on the subject, and they agree with me.

You write barely legible remarks on a message board.

Are you proclaiming that you know more than people who have doctorates on the subject?