Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

[Alienmorph]

The "ship" is this whole damn planet. Trump's action might influence the whole damn world. We can't leave even if we'd like to!

Wow, way to throw your own leaders aside and tell them they have no influence.

We had THIS jackass ruling our country directly or indirectly for over 2 decades:



The current leader is more qualified and he's doing his best, but his own party is turning his back against him, because everyone in it wants to be in charge. And the two biggest opposing parties are a group of borderline neo-fascists, who of course are happy as hell for Trump's election, and a bunch of angry kids lead by a former comedian than have done nothing but shout "No! Fuck everyone else, you have to do what WE say!" for the past 2-3 years.

I have no faith in my leaders, and I was hoping that other countries would make smarter decisions and not throw the whole world into shit. Apparently that too was too much to ask.

[TheodoricFriede]

Im sorry but if other countries want a say in American elections, you guys had better start throwing some Tax dollars our way.

[FrozenShadow]

https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/10154781811016336/

Hah, after all the things that were said during Trumps campaign and Obama supporting Clinton, this was nearly hilarious to watch.

Both had to use all the possible skills they have ever learned in politics and business to try to make it look civil.

[DarkStorm]

https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/10154781811016336/

Hah, after all the things that were said during Trumps campaign and Obama supporting Clinton, this was nearly hilarious to watch.

Both had to use all the possible skills they have ever learned in politics and business to try to make it look civil.

Well he did win at least obama accepted it with an open minded.

[TheodoricFriede]

I imagine after the elections are over, a lot of that stuff is "Nothing personal. Strictly business."

[Vol]

@Frozen: Right? The tension in that room must have been high.

"So, you're going to undo my signature piece of legislation literally a week into office, huh?"
"Yep! Say, was that huge cash payment to Iran actually for hostages?"
"You know it. Glad we've settled that I am an American born in the end. But please don't insult any foreign leader's wife on Twitter."
"No plans to. By the by, we're going to gut those social programs of yours and fully exploit our natural energy resources."
"Figured as much. Now let me tell you about the aliens."
"That's what the wall is for."
"No, no, the other aliens."

[DarkStorm]

http://www.youngcons.com/open-letter-to ... t-country/

http://www.caintv.com/trump-releases-seven-point-hea

[Alienmorph]

Im sorry but if other countries want a say in American elections, you guys had better start throwing some Tax dollars our way.

Your decisions when it comes to situations of this magnitude have big consequences on the whole world. Don't act like non-american shouldn't care, or like the US are the only part of this damn planet that matters.

That said, I don't wanna to get pissy or over-hostile against anyone, so I think I'll pull out. I'm sorry if I upset anyone.

[FrozenShadow]

Well he did win at least obama accepted it with an open minded.

Well, I think "accepted" had got a new meaning for Obama, when it comes to Trump's win. But in public, you had to look open and accepting.

I imagine after the elections are over, a lot of that stuff is "Nothing personal. Strictly business."

That does work to a degree, but both Trump and Obama did say things, which went way over to personal territory. They, and mostly Obama I would guess, just play it civilly for the great good of the county.

@Frozen: Right? The tension in that room must have been high.

*snip*
"Figured as much. Now let me tell you about the aliens."
"That's what the wall is for."
"No, no, the other aliens."

Lol, I think there were a little more.... let's say testing the White house warming systems as the atmosphere must have been freezing there.

Though about the last part, I see it continuing like this.

"They're real?"
"Oh yes"
'hmm, I wonder if I can start dong business with them.

[TheodoricFriede]

http://www.caintv.com/trump-releases-seven-point-hea

"Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions?"
Huh... Thats interesting. Dont know if it would work. But thats an interesting point to make.

[DarkStorm]

http://babylonbee.com/news/police-calm- ... -trophies/

http://tribunist.com/news/mike-rowe-fin ... _source=SR

http://nypost.com/2016/11/10/trump-call ... ndolences/

[Alienmorph]

Apparently Trump is seriously considering to make Ministry of Education a Young Earth Creationist.

I think I'm gonna puke.

[Vol]

Ben Carson?

[Alienmorph]

Yep:

http://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/young-earth-creationist-ben-carson-americas-secretary-education/

(I meant secretary, sorry for the brain-fart)

[Vol]

Ah. Yeah, he's one of those guys who can learn something extremely well, neuroscience, but not much of other fields. He's going to be involved in the replacement planning for Obamacare, we know that much.

[TheodoricFriede]

Whatever.

Its not like everyone suddenly forgets what the actual science is.

If they want to spend 4 years pretending the world is flat, they can go ahead and pretend the world is flat. Fix our shitty infrastructure, create jobs, lower national debt and ill humor them.

[Vol]

Chris Christie has been demoted among the transition team, Mike Pence is now chair. Appears like Christie won't be taking a cabinet roll and will be returning to private service, as he said he would back during the primaries.

[DarkStorm]

https://www.facebook.com/RealtimeTrump/videos/325908607781028/

[FrozenShadow]

Apparently Trump is seriously considering to make Ministry of Education a Young Earth Creationist.

I think I'm gonna puke.

I'm more worried that Sarah Palin's name is being throw there as possible candidate for some job. I mean, seriously.

Granted, I don't know if she had wised up since 2008 vice presidency. Because, if she had not..... *shakes head*

[Vol]

After that extended meeting with Obama, Trump has said he would like to try to keep two parts of the ACA after it's repealed:
1) Coverage for pre-existing
2) Allowing older children to stay on their parent's plan until 26

[DarkStorm]

https://conservativedailypost.com/trump ... medium=CDR

[Vol]

Ah, the truth comes out. What Trump actually said was that he liked those two provisions, back during the primaries, and then he told the WSJ just recently that "out of respect for President Obama," he would consider it. And then a congressional aide told reporters that Trump's wall might end up being a double fence.

So Trump himself hasn't said anything, but the media is screaming FLIP FLOP OMG HE BETRAYED YOU like a fat child spotting chocolate on his friend's fingers.

[SciFlyBoy]

Ah, the truth comes out. What Trump actually said was that he liked those two provisions, back during the primaries, and then he told the WSJ just recently that "out of respect for President Obama," he would consider it. And then a congressional aide told reporters that Trump's wall might end up being a double fence.

So Trump himself hasn't said anything, but the media is screaming FLIP FLOP OMG HE BETRAYED YOU like a fat child spotting chocolate on his friend's fingers.

Is his administration actually going to enforce immigration law? Because that would be the biggest part of his promise.

[DarkStorm]

Ah, the truth comes out. What Trump actually said was that he liked those two provisions, back during the primaries, and then he told the WSJ just recently that "out of respect for President Obama," he would consider it. And then a congressional aide told reporters that Trump's wall might end up being a double fence.

So Trump himself hasn't said anything, but the media is screaming FLIP FLOP OMG HE BETRAYED YOU like a fat child spotting chocolate on his friend's fingers.

Is his administration actually going to enforce immigration law? Because that would be the biggest part of his promise.

I believe so, I think he mostly wanted just better immigration laws.

[SciFlyBoy]

I believe so, I think he mostly wanted just better immigration laws.

Well for the past 16 years both Bush and Obama administrations had ignored enforcing the law. So now the border patrol is actually going to get attention from Washington? That's actually a winner in a lot of voters' books.

[Vol]

He was endorsed by the border patrol union, or whatever they have, which was a first.

So far, his current plan is that he will build The Wall, Mexico will fund (directly or indirectly) though we'll bankroll it initially just to get it started while that's worked out, illegals with convictions will be immediately deported, NAFTA will be renegotiated, the BP will be expanded (This was during the primaries, not sure if it's still current), and if any illegals return, they will face mandatory minimum sentencing.

[TheodoricFriede]

So Trump himself hasn't said anything, but the media is screaming FLIP FLOP OMG HE BETRAYED YOU like a fat child spotting chocolate on his friend's fingers.

Heaven forbid we find a common middle ground and support the good decisions by people we may not agree with.


Wonderful fucking world we live in.

[Vol]

Yeah, media that got everything wrong and lied for a year plus now claims they have the hot inside scoop from unnamed advisers.

New one today is that unnamed sources claim Trump didn't know he was going to have to live in the White House 7 days a week. Of course we must immediately trust the buffoons who were metaphorically pantsed while everyone laughed at their tiny penises a few days ago. Not to say it's not true, but eh.

Meanwhile McConnell is setting himself up to be a pain in the ass, talking down the wall and coal jobs.

Plus side, I'm seeing some sentiment around the internet among people who're warming to Trump if he comes through on the more populist promises he made, like infrastructure, killing the TPP, etc.

[TTTX]

Yeah, media that got everything wrong and lied for a year plus now claims they have the hot inside scoop from unnamed advisers.

New one today is that unnamed sources claim Trump didn't know he was going to have to live in the White House 7 days a week. Of course we must immediately trust the buffoons who were metaphorically pantsed while everyone laughed at their tiny penises a few days ago. Not to say it's not true, but eh.

Meanwhile McConnell is setting himself up to be a pain in the ass, talking down the wall and coal jobs.

Plus side, I'm seeing some sentiment around the internet among people who're warming to Trump if he comes through on the more populist promises he made, like infrastructure, killing the TPP, etc.

apparently there has also been good few liers spreading stories about Trump's supporters doing terrible stuff.

What a shocker.

People and media telling false information, what else is new? Water is wet? The sky is blue? People can be scumbags?

[Vol]

See, that's the rub. I'm sure some have done terrible stuff, but then there's also multiple cases of people inventing hate crimes too. And with the media so thoroughly discredited, who the hell knows what to believe?

Speaking of which, the New York Times is apparently going to attempt to rebuild their credibility going forward. This may or may not be related to massive drop in profit last quarter.

[DarkStorm]

Speaking of which, the New York Times is apparently going to attempt to rebuild their credibility going forward. This may or may not be related to massive drop in profit last quarter.

Most assuredly it is.

[TheodoricFriede]

All i know is that the way people are acting after Trump won has made me incredibly ashamed of this country.

Jesus Christ, you have absolutely no idea how good or bad of a job he will do yet.

At least wait till hes been president for a week or two before you start protesting. You probably wont have to wait long. Its Donald fucking Trump.

[Alienmorph]

The reactions when Obama got elected were polarizing too, and we can now tell neither the best and worse scenarios people thought were coming happened, I'll grant you that. It's entirely possible Trump will end up playing safe not to upset the internation community and his buddies from the multi-national corporations, and that only an handful of very stupid and forgettable things will actually happen under his rule, once he realizes how much often a national leader has to walk on thin ice all the time.

On the other hand, though, if Trump puts in motion successfully even half or a third of the major points he was bragging about during the campaign, things are gonna get grim. And likely not just for the US.

If he ends up just making some noise for the first few months and then spends the next four years as a paper tiger, we're gonna be all the better for it. If he tries too hard and fucks up in some unforgettable way, with some luck people may think twice before electing just the more loud and eccentric person canditated to presidency next time. But the potential for some serious damage as of right now is there, and kinda hard to ignore.

[DarkStorm]

-shakes head-

https://www.facebook.com/foxandfriends/ ... 428848086/

[Vol]

Alien, we have very little idea of what he's going to do. One of his most basic business tactics is to negotiate absolutely everything, and to start with a huge, overreaching demand before settling for what he actually wanted. But it's not clear how much of that applies to his platform.

Based on my opinion, from having watched this race since the primaries began:
1) There will most likely be a great wall, and Mexico will partially or fully fund it, but in an indirect, complicated way.
2) There will be deportations of convicted criminal illegals, the rest will probably have to do touch-back deportations or be granted some status as "not a citizen nor entitled to those rights, but can stay here so long as you don't commit a crime."
3) The EPA is probably going to be fucked, business will take priority over environment controls, but I don't think it'll be Beijing levels of pollution necessarily. Depends on how the economy responds to his other policies.
4) If Congress can not be giant babies for once, we'll probably get a big, bloated infrastructure bill that will put a shitton of people to work. Which is good for everyone, even if it adds to the debt.
5) Pot will be legalized for medical use, and he'll probably let the states decide about recreational.
6) He'll appoint Justices "like Scalia," but they won't do shit about Roe v Wade or gay marriage, because it's settled law.


That's off the top of my head. I have no faith that he actually believes the GOP moral busybody stuff.

[Azint]

People, fellow Americans, are out there hoping that Trump will fail and ruin everything. They seem to forget that we are all in the same boat, and I certainly do not want the captain of the ship I am on to screw up royally and sink us.

[Vol]

Those would be the accelerationists, I believe. Or crazy. Some people have the idea that a really bad leader would torpedo the whole country even faster, so whatever their ideological utopia is can pick up the pieces.

[TheodoricFriede]

People, fellow Americans, are out there hoping that Trump will fail and ruin everything. They seem to forget that we are all in the same boat, and I certainly do not want the captain of the ship I am on to screw up royally and sink us.

Meanwhile nothing would make me happier if 4 years from now i can look back at what Trump accomplished and be happy about it.

[Vol]

We'll be alright. If we can get the boot off the neck of our poor castes a little bit, and stop hemorrhaging money trying to play puppetmaster with the rest of the world, it's a promising start.

Though I suspect it won't be that easy. Apparently we subsidize Pakistan with billions to keep them stable so extremists don't take over who could start a nuclear war with India. Big, tangled webs of money and alliances to keep the world in some kind of balance. Now why does that remind me of something...?

[Vol]

Wow. Soros called out by name, repeatedly, on Fox this morning with regard to funding the protests through Answer. Also Trump trolling on Twitter, mocking the NYT.

I'm on the fence about that. While I deeply appreciate the President Elect taking a victory lap on the face of the media, I also would like this transition of power to not be harder than it needs to be.

[FrozenShadow]

Alien, we have very little idea of what he's going to do. One of his most basic business tactics is to negotiate absolutely everything, and to start with a huge, overreaching demand before settling for what he actually wanted. But it's not clear how much of that applies to his platform.

That's off the top of my head. I have no faith that he actually believes the GOP moral busybody stuff.

If Trump would have continued to act like he did during his campaigns, things would be really damn bad. However, with his 'victory speech', meeting with Obama and some recent interviews, it seems that Trump had mellowed out. That, or most of his campaign stuff was that, a play and act to get more voters.

Because of this, I guess it's best to give Trump a chance.

Though I think his presidency will end up being one of the following three.

1. Trump manages to be good president, who does lot of good and will be remembered.
2. Nothing happens really as he doesn't do good or bad. Will be a president, who will be forgotten, like many others.
3. He does so bad job that lot of people will dislike or outright hate him (even more than now). It will even go so far that Trump will be the next president to be killed or at least he will get shot at. And the shooter will be republican as he will end up angering them the most.

[Vol]

Trump has announced Reince Priebus (sp) as his Chief of Staff and Steven Bannon as his Chief of Strategy.

So a GOP establishment guy who was loyal to Trump when the others ran, plus the former head of Breitbart. A good start.

[FrozenShadow]

Trump has announced Reince Priebus (sp) as his Chief of Staff and Steven Bannon as his Chief of Strategy.

So a GOP establishment guy who was loyal to Trump when the others ran, plus the former head of Breitbart. A good start.

Uh, Priebus might be good, but Steven Bannon is horrible choice for as influential job as this.

It's not promising to have a person, who is known for racist and antisemitic views to have this much power. Even if all the things that had been said or written about Steven Bannon aren't whole truth, it's still more than suspicious. And because it's suspicious, Trump should never had named this guy. That can't afford to have this kind of troubling publicity.

Right now this appointment gives an impression that Trump and at least some of his future government might actually support racism and antisemitism. While this might not be true at all, the impression is there, which makes people worried.

Yes, I know Bannon worked along with Trumps daughter and her husband, who are jewish, during the campaign, but it won't change things much.

Also, the news of Trumps transitions team being family affair isn't the most encouraging news at all. It's nepotism at highest form. All it needs is that Trump names one of his sons as one of the ministers.

So, yeah, things seems rather worrisome now. There are times, when Trump actually says something, which seems promising. But then he says or do something that causes all those worries to come back.

[TheodoricFriede]

Also, the news of Trumps transitions team being family affair isn't the most encouraging news at all. It's nepotism at highest form. All it needs is that Trump names one of his sons as one of the ministers.

Hell, I want him to name his daughter for something. Shes actually the person running his businesses. She would have been a better president than Donald or Hillary.

[Vol]

@Frozen: I'm thinking this exemplifies the difference in Trump and an actual politician. He's thinking utilitarian, these people were loyal, helped him win bigly, and so should be rewarded and retained.

Meanwhile in the swamp, perception matters way more than competence. So from that perspective, it's terrible PR, plus his kids might get a security clearance while they're on the transition team, which is bad too.

Though they won him the throne, so eh. I like the idea of a anti-establishment fighter with a big soapbox working with Reince under Trump's watch. A devil on each shoulder, of different stripes.

[DarkStorm]

https://www.facebook.com/TomiLahren/vid ... 263134826/

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/11/14/ ... ose-412130

[Vol]

The mayor of Chicago is committing to keeping the city as a sanctuary city. Trump has promised to get rid of sanctuary cities by withholding federal funding, which he can probably accomplish easily with Congress. So that's going to be an interesting showdown.

@Dark: I, personally, am inclined to think these protests are largely spearheaded by paid professionals, then they expand by social media and peer pressure until you get a bunch of emotional, young people having what is essentially a political street party. But that's my opinion.

[DarkStorm]

@Dark: I, personally, am inclined to think these protests are largely spearheaded by paid professionals, then they expand by social media and peer pressure until you get a bunch of emotional, young people having what is essentially a political street party. But that's my opinion.

You are half right, there are people being paid to do this and their are also those who aren't paid.

[FrozenShadow]

@Frozen: I'm thinking this exemplifies the difference in Trump and an actual politician. He's thinking utilitarian, these people were loyal, helped him win bigly, and so should be rewarded and retained.

Meanwhile in the swamp, perception matters way more than competence. So from that perspective, it's terrible PR, plus his kids might get a security clearance while they're on the transition team, which is bad too.

Though they won him the throne, so eh. I like the idea of a anti-establishment fighter with a big soapbox working with Reince under Trump's watch. A devil on each shoulder, of different stripes.

True and rewarding loyalty is actually quite admirable trait. However, there is genuine loyalty and factitious loyalty. Former is rather simple (for most parts), but latter is damn dangerous. There is nothing worse than a person, who acts one way, while hiding their real goals and biding their time. People like these are real opportunist and potentially really dangerous.

And everything in Bannon raises warning flags here. He is just with Trump, because that way he can do his own goals and potentially just use Trump as instrument in those plans. Especially, if Bannon has some blackmail material over Trump.
Bannon might not even need blackmail Trump. As Bannon had worked so long with Trump that he knows by now what makes Trump tick. This is something that Bannon can use to his advantage and direct Trump in certain directions and Trump might not even realize it.

Because of this, working with devilish person could end up coming back to bite you in the ass.

[Vol]

Ben Carson's turned down consideration for a cabinet post, so there you go. And Breitbart might be suing CNN/shills for claiming they're a white nationalist outlet. Rudy said he won't be AG, possibly SoS.

MSM: "While we may have been entirely wrong about what Trump can or can't do this entire election season, let us now tell you why he can't or won't do X."

Also Morning Joe trying to give public cabinet advice to Trump, after all the shit they pulled, is adorable. They don't get to pretend to have a wise opinion after being schlonged so vigorously in such a public forum.