Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

[TTTX]

I will also add that Japan is in the shit due to its extreme rejection of immigration. Because while losing population might not be that much of an issue - the fact that those that will remain will be extremely old on average is.

Well the japense is also working themselves to death, they are literally taking their work with them home, which is probably one of the major reasons why they aren't making kids they are to busy working to do it.

I mean just look at the guy who made the last Super smash bros, he literally worked with a IV drop attached just so he could keep work, that's not healthy and shouldn't be allowed.

[Alienmorph]

Most asian countries have tendencies to isolationism and are VERY xenophobic. More so to each other than to us westerners too. Try to pretend you're confusing a japanese for a korean, and see what happens.

Japan in particular tho has gotten indeed a lot of problems. After WWII they became even MORE isolationists, and there's such amounts of social pressure that a major percentage of the population suffers from crippling depression and/or isolate themselves as much as they can.

It is a beautifil country, with many great things about it... but it's far from being Heaven on Earth or anything.

[Sinekein]

And, other reasons there aren't as many immigration issues in Japan compared to Europe or the US:

- the surrounding countries are mostly functional - higher living standards than many African countries or some areas of Latin America. So not as much of an incentive to leave
- the countries that Japan colonized at some point, like China, are doing fine, which means there isn't as much of a wealth gap as there are between the aforementioned examples and Europe/the US
- it's an island, and not one connected to the continent by an underseas tunnel, so getting there illegally is extremely difficult

And still, it's not looking like it's good for Japan right now. I'm pretty sure that I will live to see them craft huge immigration programs to overcome their demographic issues - extremely selective, probably, but immigration programs nonetheless. Or at least, that some nonsense ethnic percentage rules will disappear.

[Mobius_118]

Iran attacked a US military base in retaliation for Soleimani, trump backs down from attacking Islamic holy sites because it's a warcrime, and trump's tweets come true about a failed president attacking Iran to save face.

I know I said trump wouldn't make it passed his first term, but I was right about him being a worthless piece of shit who'd do anything to save face. He's instigating WW3 just to stay out of prison.

Best part is, Soleimani was big on killing ISIS. The creators of ISIS, the GOP, have killed off one of the few big leaders there who were big on killing ISIS. Did the same thing to Hussein too.

[Augustei]

[Mobius_118]

That is the tackiest piece of shit I've ever seen.

The room is shitty too.

[Mazder]

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That is the gaudiest room I have ever seen!
Even Buckingham Palace isn't that gaudy inside! And that's a literal fucking palace!

[Alienmorph]

I honestly though they photoshopped him inside a gothic curch or something. Is he TRYING to make the God-Emperor Trump memes accurate? Because that's some WH40k levels of gold-trimmed decadence right there. Just needs a few more skulls.

[Augustei]

That is the tackiest piece of shit I've ever seen.

The room is shitty too.

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That is the gaudiest room I have ever seen!
Even Buckingham Palace isn't that gaudy inside! And that's a literal fucking palace!

For the record Trump didn't pick the design, that was done by Marjorie Merriweather Post the woman that build Mar-a-Lago. Was put together in the 20s.

[Mobius_118]

Then she was tacky as shit too. That level of opulence is obscene.

[TTTX]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al2UETKfyIk&list=WL&index=7

[Vol]

So for you Euros, down in old Virginia, the Democrats recently solidified control of the entire state government, and immediately announced gun control bills, from restrictions on what you can own, how you can get them, red flag laws, etc. The idea being a steady erosion of the ability to legally own any, rather than an overt ban. NJ's done that very well, as I cannot get a gun unless I pay lots of money and write an essay to Mama Government pleading my case, and other dumb shit about storage and transport. Blatantly unconstitutional, but the SCOTUS are as garbage as the rest of our government, and refuse to take these cases, generally, and the NRA is a fundraising organization more than a lobbying group.

Point being, it's clear those new bills would pass VA, just like they did here. However, nearly every district in VA has passed local resolutions to ignore any (?) of these new bills (possibly old ones too?), and called themselves 2nd Amendment sanctuaries, as a play on blue states harboring illegal aliens as "sanctuaries." The governor of course refutes the premise that their authority trumps the state, the National Guard was brought up, blah blah, saber-rattling, now the gun supporters are going to have a big rally on the 20th in their capital. So of course, the government passed laws forbidding carrying a weapon in the building, and now the governor has declared a state of emergency, forbidding people from carrying at the protest outside too, citing fear of Nazi militias.

Given how these things play out, I expect the Boomers who're organizing this will get on their hands and knees and lick the jackboots, and some people will carry anyway and be quickly arrested with that phalanx maneuver the riot cops use. The laws will be passed, they're going to confiscated, outlaw, register, whatever the fuck they want to do. At the same time, the state is flexing on the protesters, by essentially branding them violent white supremacists, and caging them in with state soldiers, as they're legally and factually disarmed.

Putting aside how you guys feel about the right to bear arms, or to what extent, does the principle of what's happening not bother you lot? Then again, doesn't take more than a couple people, lone wolves or otherwise, deciding that shit's fucked, and open fire, and we get to see a glimpse of a different future.

I really do believe urban areas and their supplying suburbs needs to be made into their own states of some sort. They're too dense, they're too different from the surrounding lands, and it doesn't seem like we can live harmoniously when the very basic principles of the republic are in stark disagreement.

[TheodoricFriede]

All I can say to that is, tell me again how 'No one wants to take your guns away.'

Because that certainly is a beloved talking point for the left.

[Mobius_118]

Perhaps people shouldn't treat guns like toys. Do that in the Army or the Sheriff's department you get your shit taken away.

Why are civilians with no formal training held to a lesser standard?

[Vol]

As an adult male citizen of the USA, it is my God-given right to be able to stroll down the road with a pistol on my belt, a knife in my pocket, drinking the drink of my choice and smoking an obscenely big cigar, slandering faiths, people, and institutions. But that would get me locked up on several different charges in this state. This idea that the US citizens should be docile, unarmed, and controlled in behavior and mind by the government is very new relative to even our young nation.

And to note, those people drafting these laws, and/or telling us to be that way, are protected by armed men. I don't view elected officials as more valuable than any of us, Mob. The governor, the president, all the justices, every congressman, every cop, soldier, diplomat, they are no better or worse, valuable or disposable, than you or me, philosophically. In practice, it is somewhat different.

Civilians are not held to the standards of soldiers or cops because they are not those things. They are civilians, endowed with rights by the Creator, as ratified by our Founders, and soldiers/cops are agents of the state, who agree to standards and practices as part of the job and privileges that come with.

[Mazder]

As a European I feel that what VA is doing is 1000% bullshit.

[Mobius_118]

If you want to play Wild West, go and join a state regulated militia. In other words, the National Guard.

Or jump through all of those hoops, like I had to to get my CC. If you think NJ is bad, try MN. There's a whole lot of pearl clutching here, but the process is not as horrible as you claim it is.

[Vol]

Chief Justice is swearing in Senators for the trial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m74PICzoxs&feature=emb_title

Edit: Done, all process shit. Trial starts Tuesday morning.

[Vol]

Keeping tabs on the usual places is a good way to glean why the right in America has lost every fight, consistently, for decades now.

"Oh, there's going to be a false flag at the protest! Spooks are going to start violence and get us called crazy Nazi terrorists!"
"Antifa's going to march with us to trick us, and start shit, and blame it on us!"
"Actual Nazis are going to infiltrate and start shooting, it's Charlottesville all over again!"

No matter what does or does not happen, they're going to be branded stupid, crazy, Nazi terrorists, or some combination thereof. But this pathetic, panicked reaction to the certainty of being smeared is the problem. The reaction, give up, stay home, stay outside the perimeter, record everything, act extra peaceful. These people earnestly believe that tyranny is occurring, that their government is both infringing on their rights _and_ prepared to incite a massacre of both government agents and innocent civilians, and their first thought is to show everyone how extra docile they are. How peaceful and unwilling to do anything bad they are.

"Y-yes sir, handcuff me, raid my house, take my guns, lock me up for having clips that are too big, b-but I'll vote in the next election and respect the outcome when we lose! Also I support you boys in blue! I will never, ever pose any threat to the government, or anyone!"

No wonder our freedoms have been whittled away to a joke over the last century. Again, it's not so much even the specific cause as the utter cowardice and lack of conviction. If you honestly believe that we're on the path to authoritarianism of the urban elites, and your response to a whiff of danger is to retreat while kowtowing, then you're a pussy. At least Antifa cosplayers are willing to fight, get their ass kicked from time to time. More respectable than "Muh guns to stop gubberment, but oh no optics and false flags, let's do nothing and cry."

[Joblom]

If you honestly believe that we're on the path to authoritarianism of the urban elites, and your response to a whiff of danger is to retreat while kowtowing, then you're a pussy. At least Antifa cosplayers are willing to fight, get their ass kicked from time to time. More respectable than "Muh guns to stop gubberment, but oh no optics and false flags, let's do nothing and cry."

I don't know how to be gentle about this but... being right wing has some genuine social, financial, and legal consequences. People on the right get fined, jailed, kicked out of school, and lose their jobs just for showing their faces or defending themselves. Far lefties can put on masks and assault, injure, threaten, and infringe on the civil rights of their fellow citizens and what happens to them? Nothing. You are really out of touch if this is news to you.

I have a request: I'll go out and there and protest for you publicly but only if you can reliable keep sending me the funds to pay my living expenses, bail money, and other associated legal fees.

I would love to be out there but there are two problems: no good leadership, and serous consequences for doing so. I am told I am privileged and that my sort of people dominate this society, but it sure doesn't feel like it. I don't have the National Lawyer's Guild or George Soros to fund my efforts or shield from the consequences of voicing my opinions or demonstrating in public. People on the Right are getting their bank accounts shut down, they can't post on social media, they can't get jobs in some cases, and they can't even get donations via pay-pall or other online services.

The Left are useful idiots of the people who really matter in this society and so of-course they can be as bold, brash, and open as they want. Nothing will happen to them. They're tools. ACTUAL dissidents have a much tougher fight, especially when no one in the upper classes is willing to support them. Grass roots organizing is not easy at all, especially in an atomized society.

Sorry to be the one to rudely wake you up this way but it needed to happen.

So you're saying absolutely nothing except "but there are people that are even more different". Which has nothing to do with what you initially claimed.

Yes it does. Similarity comes in degrees. A child understands this so I'm sure I don't need to explain it to YOU. I am reminded why I stopped bothering with you; you are at best misinformed, perhaps delusional, or willfully ignorant, or at worst you are an actual liar. No wonder you are a Leftist. The sad thing is that assuming the former speculations are true you will probably go to your grave unable to admit the truth or comprehend why your side's policies don't work and why that more perfect world you keep trying to create keeps failing to surface.

[Mobius_118]

Spoken like a true sycophant.

[Sinekein]

Yes it does. Similarity comes in degrees. A child understands this so I'm sure I don't need to explain it to YOU. I am reminded why I stopped bothering with you; you are at best misinformed, perhaps delusional, or willfully ignorant, or at worst you are an actual liar. No wonder you are a Leftist. The sad thing is that assuming the former speculations are true you will probably go to your grave unable to admit the truth or comprehend why your side's policies don't work and why that more perfect world you keep trying to create keeps failing to surface.

I love being called ignorant by the stupidest person on this forum by a mile. That enlightens my day.

The other people I most often disagree with here have viewpoints that are extremely different from my own but I would never doubt their cognitive abilities. You on the other hand are a stellar example of a moron convinced he holds the key to universal knowledge but making one statement after another proving that grad school notions are barely mastered.

[Mobius_118]

I swear Joblom is a sock puppet of GAC.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Oh yeah you can tell because we have the same talking points and everything yep. Uh huh.

Stay Classy Mob.

[Mobius_118]

Both you and Joblom talk a big game that has no basis in reality, just the same libertarian/failed conservative gaslighting tactics that don't work.

[Sinekein]

No, absolutely not. I disagree on about everything with GAC, but he understands what he talks about, he just comes to conclusions that are the opposite of my own.

I also have never seen him spout racist rhetoric that would make the NSDAP proud.

[Mobius_118]

Well no, of course not. GAC isn't smart enough to pull that off.

They're both cut from the same cloth of neoconservative shitbaggery.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Well no, of course not. GAC isn't smart enough to pull that off.

They're both cut from the same cloth of neoconservative shitbaggery.

I am not a neo con you disingenuous hack.

I'm a small government libertarian. You on the other hand seem to be a rather dedicated socialist.

[Mobius_118]

You say that like it's a bad thing. Also it's Democratic Socialist. Get it right, if you're going to try to smear me.

And your preferred method of governance is worthless in the US. It's for children who don't understand how government actually works. You should know that, since you know everything. Then again you're the same doofus who thinks Nazi's were socialist because of the name, so I won't expect you to understand that taxes pay me to train to protect this nation and it's a form of Democratic Socialism. Same thing with roads, municipal utilities,any and all state and federal employees, etc.

And I can't wait for your blistering response. It'll be entertaining and sad at the same time.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Mobius your insane insistence that utilities are socialism is hilarious.

You seem to have the same definition of "Socialism" as an caps and deceptive communists. But thank you for posting that verbal vomit. I'll be quoting that so people can have a laugh.

[Mobius_118]

Well this is more sad than entertaining. I post the truth and you...do something not intelligent with it. Like research it. At all.

Didn't you say you were leaving? Get on with it.

[Mobius_118]

The US is already a Democratic Socialist nation.

People like GAC are unable to handle this truth, and respond with spittle-laced vitriol. To little effect, because he'd be swimming in his own shit quickly without those publicly owned utilities he hates.

[TTTX]

The US is already a Democratic Socialist nation.

People like GAC are unable to handle this truth, and respond with spittle-laced vitriol. To little effect, because he'd be swimming in his own shit quickly without those publicly owned utilities he hates.

My reaction to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwSts2s4ba4

[Mazder]

What people fail to notice is Democratic Socialism is usually a stepping stone to full on Socialism.
As in getting rid of the Democratic part.
It argues that capitalism is incompatible with freedom and equality and strives to make life closer y basically walking down the Socialism path.
We have a few good examples of how that line can also be corrupted to very devastating degrees. Russia/The Soviet Union and Venezuela being the biggest and most obvious.

Everything being Nationalized/Publicly owned is not a good thing.
Some things, yes.
The main thing being healthcare.
A Health system that is owned by the Government and is funded by the public to provide a basic care for the public is a good thing. It is not eliminating Insurance companies and private healthcare as they're still an option. But it does get rid of the stranglehold they have on your health system.

Having a complete lack of owned companies kind of gets rid of a competitive edge that is required for innovation.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Mobius really really needs to learn his terms. Bernie Sanders used to talk about how he really wanted to make the US a properly "Democratic Socialist" nation like Denmark.

Denmark promptly told him to fuck off by pointing out that they AREN'T a socialist nation. Hell even countries like Germany and France aren't fully socialist.

Mobius is insane enough to think the US is even though opposition to Socialism is a huge factor motivating many people (Especially in our Eastern European immigrant community) to oppose people like Sanders and Dances With Snakes... I mean Warren.

We have an army? Well shit that's socialism! We have electricity? Well howdy doody that must be socialism too!

See I'm starting to think that Mobius is a secret Anarcho Capitalist. He thinks a government that does AAAAAAAAAAAAAAANYTHING is socialist just like they do.

[Mobius_118]

Oh there you go again, being non-compliant.

At this point, I'd trust my dog not to eat the food off the table than anything you say.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Nobody here agrees with your definition Mobius. That you can cherry pick a few dishonest socialists desperate to claim America for their own does nothing.

How many people praised Venezuela as a beacon of True Socialism a decade ago that are now desperate to claim it as "Not True Socialism"?

This always happens because people with utopian ideals are a cancer on society.

[Mobius_118]

Yeah, nah.

Your spittle-laced vitriol is a clear indicator you're the nutty one. You've been gaslighting, lying, and showing a severe lack of understanding, as well as accusing me of that which you are guilty of.

Just like your boy trump. No wonder he's your idol. He embodies everything you ever wanted to be. Which is hilarious because he's weak, simple, and a failed businessman who gets bailed out constantly.

[Mobius_118]

By the way, Venezuela is the perfect example of rampant capitalism. Something that you want for the US. It's clear you're not ready for that discussion, since you won't accept the true nature of the US now.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

...The state has nationalized just about everything in Venezuela Mobius. How the fuck is that Capitalist?

And I will let the audience be the judge. I thoroughly enjoy seeing how you respond to things because it reveals your fanatical world view. Anyone who thinks fucking VENEZUELA is an example of Capitalism in action has a few screws loose.

[Mobius_118]

Think about it for a second before you start drooling over how to try and insult someone paid by the taxpayers.

Maduro has deregulated everything, much like trump has been trying to do. Oil companies have absolute control, Maduro's base controls the government. That's not a "population controls public works" country. Corporations control most of the country.

Does that sound like socialism to you? Sounds like capitalism and economic mismanagement to every economic expert out there, and to even laypersons like myself.

You always bring out Venezuela as a weapon, but you don't know it's just hitting your argument.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Sounds like every single Socialist take over ever.

Do you think the Inner party cared about the lower population in the Soviet Union? Stalin had a fair gut for a nation that dealt with so many famines you blind ideologue.

But again I leave this to the others that bother to view this thread. let everyone decide who they believe but there's a Reason Corbyn called Maduro some years back to congratulate him on how the "Revolution" was going.

[Mobius_118]

You talk alot but you never say anything.

You just supported my exact point. Maduro allowed corporations to take over, which went very quickly from a Socialist wannabe to a capitalist nation.

When I say that the US is a Socialist Democracy, I base it on fact. The people control the public works, have fair elections (ideally. 2016, 2000, and 2004 proved that the GOP will cheat to win) and pay for every public item, like roads. My paycheck comes from the people.

It's definitely "The people control the means" type of nation, not whatever it is you blabber about. When Reagan implemented Trickle Down Economics, we went straight to a corporate hellhole, and you support this because you're an idiot with no real world education on the matter.

Quite frankly I'm amazed you can breath on your own without swallowing your tongue. If trump is allowed to continue his deregulation campaign, we will turn into a toxic dump. If the internet is still something you have access to, I want you to cheer that on. It's exactly what you want.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

You are insane. You are incapable of seeing reality for what it is. You are religious in your devotion to the Left's talking points. See I can respect Sinekin even though I categorically disagree with him on about everything.

But you? You just believe everything your thought leaders tell you. The NPC thing is a meme but when it comes to you? Sure as fuck seems accurate.

[TTTX]

Think about it for a second before you start drooling over how to try and insult someone paid by the taxpayers.

Maduro has deregulated everything, much like trump has been trying to do. Oil companies have absolute control, Maduro's base controls the government. That's not a "population controls public works" country. Corporations control most of the country.

Does that sound like socialism to you? Sounds like capitalism and economic mismanagement to every economic expert out there, and to even laypersons like myself.

You always bring out Venezuela as a weapon, but you don't know it's just hitting your argument.

Companies is run by people though as are governments and people can be corrupted or once they have power show who they really are.

So I fail to see how having companies under the government that can or is going to become or is already corrupt is going change anything.

[Mobius_118]

There you go, accusing me of shit you're guilty of, GAC.

See, if I truly followed the party line, I'd be just as dumb as you are. You swallow everything your masters tell you. Everything. Right down to exploitation of the land in favor of corporate development, even when it's going to kill you.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Obviously Mobius' received wisdom from on high is superior to my own loathsome ways.

Nevermind the fact that he still thinks the current President "Stole" the election in 2016... that 2018 was a massive victory for the democrats... and that they will sweep to a glorious victory in November...

Oh and every single time he was sure Trump would be gone "Within the month" that he's been spouting off for three years...

[Augustei]

Think about it for a second before you start drooling over how to try and insult someone paid by the taxpayers.

Maduro has deregulated everything, much like trump has been trying to do. Oil companies have absolute control

You mean oil companies like PDVSA? Owned and controlled by the state? When the state deregulates industries it controls that doesn't make it capitalism.... And if Venezuela is controlled by the oil companies, that are controlled by the state, that control the oil companies then no wonder the place is in such a state.

But yeah Venezuela isn't socialist, what would Noam Chomsky and Jeremy Corbyn know about socialism anyway? psh

You talk alot but you never say anything.

When I say that the US is a Socialist Democracy, I base it on fact. The people control the public works, have fair elections (ideally. 2016, 2000, and 2004 proved that the GOP will cheat to win) and pay for every public item, like roads. My paycheck comes from the people.

I've quoted multiple academic peer reviewed sources refuting that claim here in the past, still waiting for you to address them, best you gave was some anecdote along the lines of "I personally spoke to these two professors I know". Also Socialist =/= Social Democracy, Marx himself clearly delineated the difference, I wouldn't even call America a Social Democracy but to call it Socialist is a desperate stretch.

[Mobius_118]

Oh look, another sycophant.

[Augustei]

Oh look, another sycophant.

You think anybody that disagrees with you is a sycophant, a common symptom among paranoid schizophrenics, ultra partisan hacks, and sycophants funnily enough.