Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

[Joblom]

They don't allow that kind of thing here. It was outlawed to counter-act accusations that Jews hold a disproportionate amount of power in our society.

Real fucking subtle, jackass.

What is hardest to see is often that which is right in front of us.

[Mobius_118]

They don't allow that kind of thing here. It was outlawed to counter-act accusations that Jews hold a disproportionate amount of power in our society.

Real fucking subtle, jackass.

What is hardest to see is often that which is right in front of us.

Nah this one's pretty easy. You're an anti-semetic asshole. The real ones with disproportionate power in society are the insanely rich, pure and simple. They happen to not be Jewish.

[Alienmorph]

Well, is not like wealthy Jewish people are an urban legend, but to go from "rich people of this ethnic group exist" to "this is ethnic group is secretly pulling the strings of society!" is just fucking ridiculous.

[Sinekein]

Yes, and it is pretty impressive to still see wealthy Jewish individuals considering how often in history they got robbed blind because various people needed some scapegoats to pillage.

[TTTX]

What is hardest to see is often that which is right in front of us.

Sounds like conspiracy and rather racist to think the rich of the Jews are controlling power in USA when Rich and powerful people does that everywhere else in world.

[TheodoricFriede]

What is hardest to see is often that which is right in front of us.

Look you inbred Neo-Nazi gutter trash.

Vol believes in free speech. He wont ban you and you know it.

You may as well just drop the paper thin veneer that you are anything other than what you are, because we all already see through you.

[Mazder]

What is hardest to see is often that which is right in front of us.

Look you inbred Neo-Nazi gutter trash.

Vol believes in free speech. He wont ban you and you know it.

You may as well just drop the paper thin veneer that you are anything other than what you are, because we all already see through you.

I however would not be so kind.

I am a supporter of free speech, but if enough vote someone out, then they go out.
And clearly, enough would vote that way if given the choice.

[Vol]

Theo is correct, you're free to love/hate/distrust/embrace Jews all you want, and espouse any theories you have about them, as well as any other group or idea. The only line I draw for philosophical discussion is if it puts me in legal jeopardy, which is a very high bar in the USA.

I would ask that there be a modicum of productive discussion too, but this is the Slapfight thread as well, so eh. Have at it.

@Alien: So what exactly is the plan if Salvini can't conquer Italy? To all of you Europeans, really. Where is the neoliberal, internationalist way of life supposed to lead to? From my perspective, it's entirely dominant, hence the resurgent right having actually done very little to change much. and in the same period, our countries have stagnated or degraded for the common man. So I understand the intellectual argument for opposing Salvini, Le Pen, Boris, Trump, whomever, but does the practical reality that your quality life and your future, as a citizen of your nations, are going to be sacrificed for the sake of all others, not affect you?

[TheodoricFriede]

I would ask that there be a modicum of productive discussion too, but this is the Slapfight thread as well, so eh. Have at it.

As the only jew in this group I assure you that I will exercise my right to free speech by responding to the scum sucking, sister fucking, neo-Nazi in kind.

[Vol]

Spent the last few hours listening to the Senate questioning phase. A lot of the same shit, different day. One interesting point that was brought up is that the Senate is effectively locked into only working on the trial while it's active. And in their rush to push the impeachment vote through the House before Christmas, the Democrats never actually subpoenaed people like Bolton, much less went to the courts to turn their Congressional subpoenas, which are not legally binding, to judicial ones, which are. Which would be the usual practice, especially in a case where it involves people under the umbrella of the chief executive. So if the vote to allow new witnesses somehow passes, which it may, and then people like Bolton resist it, which they probably will, then it has to go to the courts, to be fought and appealed, meanwhile, the Senate will be sitting on their hands, doing less than usual the entire time.

I kinda want that vote to succeed, if for no other reason than to grasp how useless, if not harmful, our federal institutions actually are. Plus the senators are required to be there for it all, which would ruin Bernie and Warren's campaigns, which is entirely what the DNC actually wants.

[Joblom]

Well, is not like wealthy Jewish people are an urban legend, but to go from "rich people of this ethnic group exist" to "this is ethnic group is secretly pulling the strings of society!" is just fucking ridiculous.

That's not what I said or meant to imply. The truth is more nuanced.

What is hardest to see is often that which is right in front of us.

Sounds like conspiracy and rather racist to think the rich of the Jews are controlling power in USA when Rich and powerful people does that everywhere else in world.

Why is it congress can come together to condemn Ilhan Omar or to attack the BDS movement but can't do anything about healthcare? Or the budget? Or infrastructure? One of Boris Johnsons' first acts was to coutner the BDS movement. Why does every politician feel it is so important to broadcast how great and important Israel is to us? Why do they all give speeches at AIPAC? If you deny the existence of the Israel Lobby then I don't know what to tell you. As well, it is hard to avoid the Jewish over-representation in media and government. Some measure of disproportionate representation is probably to be expected, but just how much and what the effects are... is another question. As well, you might try reading some Jewish publications sometime. Sometimes the interests and influence of the "Jewish Community" are described quite openly and honestly. You might also look into how the Chinese view this 'issue'. Another smart thing would be to list what criticisms of Jews you think are reasonable and fair. Hint: any criticism will get you labeled an anti-Semite. Mind you, every other group can be criticized to one degree or another.

You may as well just drop the paper thin veneer that you are anything other than what you are, because we all already see through you.

You can't see a damn thing; you lack the perception, intelligence, and bravery. Bashing white people? That's fine. The Goyim I mean. Merely insinuate that Jewish power is a thing? Well, now you've gone and gotten on Theodric's bad side. Line in the sand. Pattern recognition is an underappreciated virtue.

As the only jew in this group I assure you that I will exercise my right to free speech by responding to the scum sucking, sister fucking, neo-Nazi in kind.

Free Speech for Me but not for Thee.

Exhibit A. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay%E2%80 ... e#Genetics

I take it back. You probably see things perfectly and you're just batting very strongly for your own team. I can't really hold that against you. Not if you're being open and honest about it.

That intense tribalism you are so passionately displaying here is precisely the mentality that has enabled your people to reach such heights of influence despite spending the last thousand years or so without a nation of their own. Thankfully, they've had one for close to a century now. Someday I hope to see the same tribalism revitalized in my own ethnic group with their own ethnic state or states to boot.

[TheodoricFriede]

SIEG HEIL SIEG HEIL SIEG HEIL!

[Alienmorph]

That's not what I said or meant to imply. The truth is more nuanced.

Is it, now? Because this sparked from me being disgusted by anti-semitic graffiti, and you basically going "we don't get those here, because the jews censor everyone who doesn't like them". Feels like you're not being very nuanced either.

Also, white, black, gay, hetero, jew or christian... discrimination is discrimination, and it's fucking awful, and I don't like it in any form. I thought I made that abundantly clear.

Yet here I am, having to say it again. And to a guy crying victim because he's not allowed to talk shit about jews, no less.

[Mobius_118]

I figured Joblom was full retard, and boy did he deliver.

Best fucking leave real quick. You've burned up the good will you never had.

[TTTX]

Why is it congress can come together to condemn Ilhan Omar or to attack the BDS movement but can't do anything about healthcare? Or the budget? Or infrastructure? One of Boris Johnsons' first acts was to coutner the BDS movement. Why does every politician feel it is so important to broadcast how great and important Israel is to us? Why do they all give speeches at AIPAC? If you deny the existence of the Israel Lobby then I don't know what to tell you. As well, it is hard to avoid the Jewish over-representation in media and government. Some measure of disproportionate representation is probably to be expected, but just how much and what the effects are... is another question. As well, you might try reading some Jewish publications sometime. Sometimes the interests and influence of the "Jewish Community" are described quite openly and honestly. You might also look into how the Chinese view this 'issue'. Another smart thing would be to list what criticisms of Jews you think are reasonable and fair. Hint: any criticism will get you labeled an anti-Semite. Mind you, every other group can be criticized to one degree or another.

Lots of voices and views so getting anything passed and done is hard at best, impossible at worst.

When it comes to the healthcare system, I think it comes from a combination if the fair of anything socialist because of the old cold war (a lot of politicians who sits to today lived under it and the USA of very paranoide of anything remotely Communist) and rich people not wanting to pay more taxes and politicians fearing of not getting reelected after telling people they have to pay in taxes and of course the medicine industry fearing getting less profit if such a system in place.

As for Israel well there are some reasons, it's a safe harbur and Allie in case the USA ever gets in conflict with with one of the middel eastern countries (and lets be honest ) and they others don't want to help, another more let's call more crazy reasons is that some Christians (with power, influences and probably money) who wants the Jews there so they can rebuild their ancient temple so the Christian doomsday can come to be (I know it sounds stupid, but one of the condition for the Christian doomsday is that the Jews rebuild their temple, so obviously some Christians want that to happen so we can have paradise on earth and whatnot) and of course you need propaganda to make the Jews and by extension Israel sound better than well it actually is (after all Israel have and are doing terrible things right now as I'm writing this post). At least that's the reasons I can think off on the top of my head.

Of course you can, but you probably need some evidence to go along with your claim, it's easy to discriminate China and Russia because their governments are doing bad stuff and everyone knows it and there is evidence for it (hell there is even rumor that Russia wants to invade Europe but can't because of NATO at the moment of writing).

[Sinekein]

What would a Joblom post be without a link to genetics notions that are way too complex for his small, hateful mind.

The funniest part is that I am not even sure what Theo's opinion on Israeli politics are, I am not sure he ever shared them here. He might be either a strong Bibi supporter, or opponent, or neither. Like any Jewish person actually.

Although the icing on the cake might be the use of a quarian profile pic while being a raging antisemite, as they are one of the most obvious stand-ins for Jewish people ever seen in a videogame.

[TheodoricFriede]

The funniest part is that I am not even sure what Theo's opinion on Israeli politics are

Complicated.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I'm annoyed that our government holds Israel up as some extra special thing that must be protected from all criticism.

We do have an Israel Lobby. Before it we actually had an incredibly powerful China lobby because many Christian groups in the US had missionaries there. That lobby died down and out after the communist takeover of China.

The Israel lobby is largely supported by a few key groups. Christian fundamentalists as TTTX described as well as numbers of people that could be described as Neo-Liberal and Neo-Conservative, Jewish groups that might be actively "Zionist" can be lumped in here but as an overall wedge of the whole they're not a big group. Each of these groups have their own motivations for doing what they do but the end result is taking an American ally that can and should be treated like any other ally and giving it a special protected status that no allied nation should have.

Some people could call that a fiendish conspiracy. But I think the truth is more likely that there are a lot of powerful people whose interests happen to align on a specific issue.

[Joblom]

Is it, now? Because this sparked from me being disgusted by anti-semitic graffiti, and you basically going "we don't get those here, because the jews censor everyone who doesn't like them". Feels like you're not being very nuanced either.

Yeah and it's true isn't it? Not that they always succeed, but they sure as hell try. What are the ADL and the SPLC? You should look into their founding sometime for some additional insight. Can't believe racist southern good old boys would take the world of a ______ over that of a ___. Maybe if they didn't pull this shit people like me wouldn't give a shit about them? Food for thought.

I have no problem in principal with any ethnic or religious group exercising or desiring power. Everybody is entitled to pursue their own interests and are rational for doing so. However I do take issue with "protected classes". I do not support spaying graffiti on some Jewish owned business or residence anymore than I support expelling Jews and avoiding "Jewish Physics", but I'm not going to get especially up in arms about it when a lot of those same people will encourage anti-White slander and hatred and then call me paranoid or racist for objecting to it. Painting with a broad brush, yes, to a make a point about the double standard. If the Jewish community wants me to be concerned for them they have to be concerned for me and they have to tolerate criticism.

And to a guy crying victim because he's not allowed to talk shit about jews, no less.

Yeah, I do. If Jews are going to talk shit about everyone else then they need to live with everyone else talking shit about them. Again, I cannot tolerate the double standard. For Christs sake, recent legislation and guidelines even state that pointing out the Israel Lobby or saying Jews have political power is antisemitism. At what point will you agree this has gone too far? If someone is saying Jews should be rounded up for Holocaust II, then yeah, shut 'em down for inciting violence. However talking about the role Jews have played in our culture and history, and that they play in politics, is not grounds for de-platforming or hateful and hysterical accusations. We can talk about the good they've done, and they've done good, and we can talk about the bad they've done, and they have done bad things.

I'm annoyed that our government holds Israel up as some extra special thing that must be protected from all criticism.

That literally makes you an anti-Semite. Sorry to inform you.
https://www.state.gov/defining-anti-semitism/
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/articl ... t-century/

What I find most interesting is attacking Israel for being an Ethnostate is a big no-no under those definitions but wanting one of my is also something to be denounced.

For me but not for thee, indeed.

We do have an Israel Lobby.

How does a political "Lobby" work? Ah yes, it's all about the Benjamins. Oops, that will get you denounced by Congress.

Some people could call that a fiendish conspiracy.

What does a conspiracy mean? It's any plan enacted in "secret" behind closed doors. I seriously doubt the conspiratorial ambitions go any further than money exchanging hands in return for political support and other favors.

As for Israel well there are some reasons, it's a safe harbor and Allie in case the USA ever gets in conflict with with one of the middel eastern countries (and lets be honest )

What reason, inherent to itself, does the US have to be so deeply involved in the Middle East? Why are we so gung-ho about taking down Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Libya? What is the American interest here? I don't care if those countries are threats to Israel. Israel is not my concern nor have they ever been a very faithful ally. Let them buy support from someone else. Considering we now have plenty of oil to export, I don't see that we need to keep occupying the Middle East. Very strange coincidence how our last 25 years of Middle Eastern policy so closely follow the outline in the Clean Break Memo. Champion by the same voices who tremble at the mere notion that Trump, or even Obama before him, might reduce or eliminate our role there.

Finally, why do we need to send Israel money? They do not need it.

Of course you can, but you probably need some evidence to go along with your claim, it's easy to discriminate China and Russia because their governments are doing bad stuff and everyone knows it and there is evidence for it (hell there is even rumor that Russia wants to invade Europe but can't because of NATO at the moment of writing).

What evidence is there of Russia wanting to invade Europe? Sounds like typical EU hysteria and BS to me. If anything the incentive is reversed. Russia doesn't have the people to invade Europe. It's acquisitions of certain Eastern European territories are in-line with its national interest of keeping NATO at bay. The EU surely wants to acquire more of Eastern Europe too, so as to increase its power on the world stage, and more importantly to reduce or someday eliminate its reliance on Russia for energy. Russia has no need to invade a customer so dependent on it.

[TheodoricFriede]

Thats right. Let it all out.

Let the group see what you are.

[Mobius_118]

I saw what he was when he first rolled in. Just another sturmfront asshole whose ideas where met with a trench sweeper.

[Joblom]

I saw what he was when he first rolled in. Just another sturmfront asshole whose ideas where met with a trench sweeper.

Trenches were World War One. The Nazi's was World War Two. The sequel. If you are going to make attempts at historical insults at least get your history straight. Consider this some good ole' American Lend Lease to help you in your fight since you can't do it on your own.

Thats right. Let it all out.

Let the group see what you are.

The only person having a freak out here is you, TheodricFriede. Your attempt at snark and unwillingness to address anything raised here, by me or by anyone else, is indeed showing everyone just what kind of a person you really are. It's not flattering and it isn't remotely persuasive.

I am curious however, what are you complicated feelings on Israel? I think you should share that with "the group". I've offered up my views for scrutiny, so why not do the same?

[TheodoricFriede]

Right, because no one else has noticed your anti-semitism or commented on it at all.

I dont have anything to say to you beyond the constant reminder that you are a subhuman, jew hating, dog.

[Mobius_118]

I saw what he was when he first rolled in. Just another sturmfront asshole whose ideas where met with a trench sweeper.

Trenches were World War One. The Nazi's was World War Two. The sequel. If you are going to make attempts at historical insults at least get your history straight. Consider this some good ole' American Lend Lease to help you in your fight since you can't do it on your own.

Shut the fuck up. Your views are abhorrent and soaked in racist, antisemitic rhetoric.

[Joblom]

Right, because no one else has noticed your anti-semitism or commented on it at all.

I dont have anything to say to you beyond the constant reminder that you are a subhuman, jew hating, dog.

"Can't", that's the word you are looking for. You have no retort and no real response. The reason you are so riled up is precisely because you know what I'm saying is true. I would advise you to spend some time self reflecting, but we both know you won't.

Shut the fuck up. Your views are abhorrent and soaked in racist, antisemitic rhetoric.

I'd love to hear how what I've said is abhorrent. Which statements and observations do you object to specifically? Come on, give an articulate answer.

[TheodoricFriede]

DON'T BE STUPID BE A SMARTY COME AND JOIN THE NAZI PARTY!

[Mobius_118]

For one, boyo, we had a world war over this. Anyone who holds these views is the enemy. Full stop.

Two, the idea that the Jews are responsible for world ills is fucking retarded. That's like blaming Muslims for Shariah Law in the US, when that hasn't happened at all. There has been an uptick in extremist christian groups lobbying for more power over law, which would put my Atheist standards into a 2nd class citizen role. Treaty of Tripoli states that in no doubt does this nation have a separation of church and state for a fucking reason.

Your only evidence is outright fascist lies and sturmfront levels of stupidity. Go state your views in a public place and record it, and see what happens.

[Joblom]

DON'T BE STUPID BE A SMARTY COME AND JOIN THE NAZI PARTY!

https://forward.com/opinion/338835/what ... political/

Who speaks for the Jews? It’s an age-old question that’s often asked by partisans of every Jewish cause. What we usually mean is: Who pleads the Jewish case in the halls of decision-making? And no less important: Who decides what is the Jewish agenda?

This campaign season we need to ask another question that sounds similar but isn’t really the same: Who represents the Jewish community in the political arena — and equally important, in the public eye?"

...

As I argued in these pages recently, Sanders’s April 15 speech at the Vatican conference on economic justice, considered together with the central role played at that conference by economist Jeffrey Sachs, strongly suggests that Jews continue to figure in a big way — in perception and reality alike — in global efforts for economic fairness. Of course, one speech and one conference don’t prove such a global assertion. They merely open up what must be larger discussion down the road. But the point is an important one. Looking at Jewish lobbying in Washington doesn’t give anything like a full picture of Jewish political activity.

Now we have another data point: campaign donations.

A new Washington Post analysis of this political season’s campaign donations finds that “close to half” of all Super PAC money, or about $249 million (that is, 41% of a total $607 million), came from just 50 donors. The Post’s list shows that 36 of those donors gave to Republican-leaning Super PACs and 14 to Democratic-leaning committees.

My own analysis of the list shows that 20 of the 50 are Jewish. Nine of them give to Republicans and 11 to Democrats.

I guess it's antisemitic to quote Jewish publications now.

Let's try one not explicitly Jewish.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html

I have never been so upset by a poll in my life. Only 22% of Americans now believe “the movie and television industries are pretty much run by Jews,” down from nearly 50% in 1964. The Anti-Defamation League, which released the poll results last month, sees in these numbers a victory against stereotyping. Actually, it just shows how dumb America has gotten. Jews totally run Hollywood.

How deeply Jewish is Hollywood? When the studio chiefs took out a full-page ad in the Los Angeles Times a few weeks ago to demand that the Screen Actors Guild settle its contract, the open letter was signed by: News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish). If either of the Weinstein brothers had signed, this group would have not only the power to shut down all film production but to form a minyan with enough Fiji water on hand to fill a mikvah.

The person they were yelling at in that ad was SAG President Alan Rosenberg (take a guess). The scathing rebuttal to the ad was written by entertainment super-agent Ari Emanuel (Jew with Israeli parents) on the Huffington Post, which is owned by Arianna Huffington (not Jewish and has never worked in Hollywood.)

The Jews are so dominant, I had to scour the trades to come up with six Gentiles in high positions at entertainment companies. When I called them to talk about their incredible advancement, five of them refused to talk to me, apparently out of fear of insulting Jews. The sixth, AMC President Charlie Collier, turned out to be Jewish.

So I’ve taken it upon myself to re-convince America that Jews run Hollywood by launching a public relations campaign, because that’s what we do best. I’m weighing several slogans, including: “Hollywood: More Jewish than ever!”; “Hollywood: From the people who brought you the Bible”; and “Hollywood: If you enjoy TV and movies, then you probably like Jews after all.”

I called ADL Chairman Abe Foxman, who was in Santiago, Chile, where, he told me to my dismay, he was not hunting Nazis. He dismissed my whole proposition, saying that the number of people who think Jews run Hollywood is still too high. The ADL poll, he pointed out, showed that 59% of Americans think Hollywood execs “do not share the religious and moral values of most Americans,” and 43% think the entertainment industry is waging an organized campaign to “weaken the influence of religious values in this country.”

That’s a sinister canard, Foxman said. “It means they think Jews meet at Canter’s Deli on Friday mornings to decide what’s best for the Jews.” Foxman’s argument made me rethink: I have to eat at Canter’s more often.

Oh well... that was even worse. Pretty sure if I authored this myself instead of quoting Joel Stein of the LA Times that one of you fine people would accuse me of being a rabid antisemite. Is that article just one big farce? It's not true? Someone fill me in here.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news ... 79088.html

The will of the people.

More to come.

PS: who needs conspiracy theories or Stormfront when you have the LA Times, the Forward, and Haaretz?

[TheodoricFriede]

^This post brought to you by the person who is also against women's suffrage.

[Joblom]

Two, the idea that the Jews are responsible for world ills is fucking retarded. That's like blaming Muslims for Shariah Law in the US, when that hasn't happened at all.

I made no such statement.

There has been an uptick in extremist christian groups lobbying for more power over law, which would put my Atheist standards into a 2nd class citizen role.

I understand, sir; I'm an atheist too. I'm sure then that you can also understand my concern with the Left's anti-white anti-male, anti-American tropes, rhetoric, and activism. You can understand in that case the issues raised by Left Wing violence in the form of Antifa and their corruption of our judicial and political system especially. Assaulting peaceful average Americans going to Trump rallies or Free Speech rallies is dangerous.

I do not expect a mature and good faith answer from you beyond this point, but I am mildly surprised to see that you bothered with even this short but even-toned (well, mostly), response.


And yes, women's suffrage was a mistake. Pile on the hate, I don't care.

^This post brought to you by the person who is also against women's suffrage.

That's a very lame attempt at a deflection. You can surely do better.

[TheodoricFriede]

I don't HAVE to do better.

I got exactly what I wanted out of you. The whole group see's what you are now.

I have already won.

[Joblom]

I don't HAVE to do better.

I got exactly what I wanted out of you. The whole group see's what you are now.

I have already won.

You have not done anything but show everybody what an emotional and vitriolic child you are.

[TheodoricFriede]

Aww thats cute, but I've been in this group for nearly 10 years. Everyone already knew that.

But considering the reception you have gotten today, I think we both know who showed what.

[Mobius_118]

I rarely get to speak to evil. What emboldened you to think and speak like this without the fear of consequence? Attacking faith, nationality, sexual orientation with serious implications is not something I can stand by, and you finally lifted the veil that I saw right through when you first showed up.

And you're a shitty Atheist. I know the idea has been overtaken by shitty people who think like you, and it pisses me off that hatred is accepted. Speaking of the Left, you do know that the idea that they're anti-white male and anti-American is retarded. That's right-wing propaganda pulled from the 50's.

You're an indoctrinated white supremacist, and it's imperative that your ideology meets the same fate as every nazi cock-sucker who was cut down.

And even though I am quite frankly hated by Theo, I will stand by him and roast you like the shitbag you are.

[Joblom]

Aww thats cute, but I've been in this group for nearly 10 years. Everyone already knew that.

But considering the reception you have gotten today, I think we both know who showed what.[/quote]

Now you don't even deny it. That's progress. I'm making an honest person out of you and this pleases me. It's a net gain for everyone.

The only really uncalled for reception I've gotten from anyone today is from you. It's not hurtful; just kind of pointless and unflattering to yourself. Mobius has been nasty too but I came in expecting that. Go figure, I didn't even know you were Jewish, though I appreciate you being up front about that. Not that it particularly matters in this case since you refuse to offer any insight or mature discussion/retort from your perspective and experience as a Jewish person. Missed opportunity.

[TheodoricFriede]

Nazi punk fuck off.

[Mobius_118]

You're a white-supremacist. You lost all credibility the minute you walked in.

[Joblom]

I rarely get to speak to evil. What emboldened you to think and speak like this without the fear of consequence? Attacking faith, nationality, sexual orientation with serious implications is not something I can stand by, and you finally lifted the veil that I saw right through when you first showed up.

The only evil here is you, Mobius. Lying is an evil act when it is done in this way. I have attacked no nationality or sexual orientation or gender or faith. You know it too.

Speaking of the Left, you do know that the idea that they're anti-white male and anti-American is retarded. That's right-wing propaganda pulled from the 50's.

Uh, no, buddy, I don't know what rock you have been living under for the last 30 years but it comes from the Left's own statements. You have either huge balls or a total lack of shame to utter such a blatant lie. I'm a little shocked by that.

I am the only person here posting articulate and logical arguments backed up by actual facts. Hence the news articles I helpfully quoted. Indoctrinated people don't need facts because they have orthodoxy; people like you. You don't get to chant, "No Borders, No Wall, No USA at all" and claim to be anything other than anti-American. You don't get to cheer on impending white minority status and claim you are not anti-white. You don't get to portray male identity as a pathology and then claim not to be anti-male.

Nobody believes this BS you are spouting.

Nazi punk fuck off.

Now you are regressing. I'm not going to let this go, Theo. Your antics do not impress me or anyone else and they do not do you any favors. You are not winning anything, merely undercutting your own dignity and credibility. I suggest you step away for a little bit, relax, and then come back with a level head.

You're a white-supremacist. You lost all credibility the minute you walked in.

You and Theo ought to be better friends. On what ground do you even hate him? Clearly you two are birds of the same feather.

[TheodoricFriede]

Someone else want to take over now that the Nazi outed himself?

I actually feel like I have done my part for today.

[Mobius_118]

Gaslighting? Really? How typical from a cuck white-supremacist.

You attacked an entire belief system, not considering anyone's personal beliefs here. Any cursory reading of this thread in particular you could figure it out real quick who's what. Even if Theo had not gone off like he did, I'd still call you out for being Nazi scum.

And boy, the shit you have been spouting the past few days? Total bullshit. You have not presented anything but Nazi bullshit. As a white male I don't feel any push back from the Left. Plenty from the right, though. Turns out when you want equity for all even a military background doesn't count.

Take your Nazi shit, shove it back up your ass, and leave.

[Joblom]

Gaslighting? Really? How typical from a cuck white-supremacist.

You attacked an entire belief system, not considering anyone's personal beliefs here.

What belief system did I attack and whose beliefs should I consider? Why should I consider anyone else's beliefs? I don't really care what anyone else believes I care what they can prove. I care what can be demonstrated. I care what the facts say. I care how well it breaks down logically.

Even if Theo had not gone off like he did, I'd still call you out for being Nazi scum.

Am I supposed to be impressed by that? Is anyone else? Nobody who reads this thread is going to see what I said or what I posted as being anything other than articulate, factual, and mostly respectful. That's a huge contrast to anything you or Theo have posted. Neither of you are willing to post anything of substance at all. Like I said, birds of the same feather.

You have not presented anything but Nazi bullshit.

Which was it? Haaretz, the LA times, or the Forward?

As a white male I don't feel any push back from the Left.

I don't believe anything you say, Mobius.

[Sinekein]

Jeez, I forgot about that women suffrage thingie. I am anxiously waiting to hear about how rape should be legal, slavery ditto, and people with mental deficiencies should be euthanized, to complete the Bingo of abhorrent human beings.

Honestly, I don't know in which delusion you can find people who support you here. You are alone, and the only silver lining is that you are so appalling a human being it is highly unlikely you will ever get to transmit your "superior genes" to anyone.

[Mobius_118]

There's no need to post anything of substance when in the past, Nazi's were shot in the face, burned, stabbed, and ran the fuck over.

That's an appropriate response, not debate. There's no point to debate someone who'd exterminate an entire people because they can't handle their own failure.

So do us all a favor. Leave. Preferably via trying to suck start a 12 gauge.

[Joblom]

Jeez, I forgot about that women suffrage thingie. I am anxiously waiting to hear about how rape should be legal, slavery ditto, and people with mental deficiencies should be euthanized, to complete the Bingo of abhorrent human beings.

Honestly, I don't know in which delusion you can find people who support you here. You are alone, and the only silver lining is that you are so appalling a human being it is highly unlikely you will ever get to transmit your "superior genes" to anyone.

That's a whole lot of baseless projection. A real trio of rhetorical geniuses here. How could anyone not be convinced?

There's no need to post anything of substance when in the past, Nazi's were shot in the face, burned, stabbed, and ran the fuck over.

There is always the need for substantive discussion. It is to your detriment that you are either unwilling or unable to do as much.

[Mobius_118]

You never did say who or what gave you the bravery to say how you really feel. Since we're all sharing our feelings, how about you share your motivation for wanting to end up like a Nazi from the 40's?

There is always the need for substantive discussion. It is to your detriment that you are either unwilling or unable to do as much.

Debate a Nazi? Nah. You don't deserve debate.

[Joblom]

You never did say who or what gave you the bravery to say how you really feel.

A belief in and commitment to the truth breeds conviction and conviction is the forebare of bravery.

[Sinekein]

You are mentally unable to say anything substantive. There is no possible discussion with you. I know that since you talked about genetics for the first time and showed fourth-graders had a better grasp on it than you.

[Mobius_118]

You never did say who or what gave you the bravery to say how you really feel.

A belief in and commitment to the truth breeds conviction and conviction is the forebare of bravery.

Yeah, no. Your cause is historically reviled and false.

Your conviction means nothing to me, Nazi. You're just another douchebag who wasn't educated well enough and deserves to be beaten and left in a ditch. Hopefully, when your 'conviction' gives you enough bravery to bring this to the public, someone obliges your inner desire to die.

[Joblom]

You are mentally unable to say anything substantive. There is no possible discussion with you. I know that since you talked about genetics for the first time and showed fourth-graders had a better grasp on it than you.

I'm pretty sure I demonstrated that you were a fool with no understanding if biology or genetics and spouting utter nonsense and bullshit. All you were doing was repeating BS you'd read elsewhere, bullshit that employs fallacies to misdirect people. The genetic basis for human diversity is self evident to everyone. You can literally see it. Decades of research and testing support at as well, as does our knowledge of genetics in general and our understanding of the mechanics of evolution. You see that wikipedia entry for Tay-Sachs disease I posted? Go read that and think about the implications that article has. Go look up Sickle Cell Anemia while you're at it. Go look up "The Warrior Gene" and look at how it is distributed among the human population.

You are wrong and I have proven you wrong. It is not difficult to do. It takes a few seconds.

[Mobius_118]

Haha, oh wow. This Nazi is trying to be logical.

Eugenics, antisemitism... You're really doing a good job digging your own grave here.