Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

[TheodoricFriede]

Thats kind of the thing lately, i dont know who the fuck to listen to anymore.

[DarkStorm]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/201 ... ce=copyurl

[Vol]

True and rewarding loyalty is actually quite admirable trait. However, there is genuine loyalty and factitious loyalty. Former is rather simple (for most parts), but latter is damn dangerous. There is nothing worse than a person, who acts one way, while hiding their real goals and biding their time. People like these are real opportunist and potentially really dangerous.

And everything in Bannon raises warning flags here. He is just with Trump, because that way he can do his own goals and potentially just use Trump as instrument in those plans. Especially, if Bannon has some blackmail material over Trump.
Bannon might not even need blackmail Trump. As Bannon had worked so long with Trump that he knows by now what makes Trump tick. This is something that Bannon can use to his advantage and direct Trump in certain directions and Trump might not even realize it.

Because of this, working with devilish person could end up coming back to bite you in the ass.

I suppose? Bannon tied himself to Trump early and stayed true through the shitshow, good and bad, so even if it was a longshot bet, there are worst people to reward for it. Plus with Ryan reelected, and so few non-establishment people to choose his staff from, Trump's limited in who he can tap. Plus he needs that outsider perspective, far too easy to get sucked into the swamp.

Though apparently our President Elect is going to do a segment on Infowars in the near future, which is both hilarious, and a sign he's cognizant of who his base actually is. And possibly a listener, which is also funny, but in a dark way. Help me out here, what is the fear with Bannon as an adviser?

Also, Ben Carson has removed himself from consideration for an administrative role. He claims it's because he wants to remain outside Washington and retain that perspective when giving advice to the Trumpenreich.

MSM reported that Trump team had requested security clearance for his kids. Trump team responded that, no, they in fact did not. Media continued to report their original claim, because learning from past mistakes is for suckers. Now they're claiming Jared Kushner, Head Jew, is receiving a request for access to Trump's top secret daily briefings.

It would be nice to have literally any source of news I could trust about anything anymore.

[DarkStorm]

https://70news.wordpress.com/2016/11/12 ... ition-now/

http://www.breitbart.com/national-secur ... ones-high/

[TheodoricFriede]

https://70news.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/final-election-2016-numbers-trump-won-both-popular-62-9-m-62-7-m-and-electoral-college-vote-306-232-hey-change-org-scrap-your-loony-petition-now/

Dark, I'm afraid that's just not true.

[DarkStorm]

https://70news.wordpress.com/2016/11/12/final-election-2016-numbers-trump-won-both-popular-62-9-m-62-7-m-and-electoral-college-vote-306-232-hey-change-org-scrap-your-loony-petition-now/

Dark, I'm afraid that's just not true.

like i said before, I just post shit I find.

[Vol]

So Trump went to a family dinner at some fancy NYC steakhouse without his press pool. They're currently angrily opining on Twitter and on air, I hear.

I understand why it's handy to have the vultures around a Prez or Prez Elect at all times, but I loathe and have so little regard for our press right now that I'd like to see them cut off and mocked roundly for at least a few years. I'd trust a middle school kid to report more accurately than them, so fuck it. We'll see what happens, but if his presidency involves an ongoing humiliation/trolling of the media, it's only going to help for reelection.

[TTTX]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmVsmbmcUUI&index=11&list=WL

[Vol]

Twitter has purged several popular "alt-right" accounts under their expanded terms of service.

Personally, I believe that censorship on such a ubiquitous platform is morally wrong, short of explicit crimes being posted, and from a business perspective, a Silicon Valley darling that's been hemorrhaging money is foolish to take a political stand.

[Mazder]

Twitter has purged several popular "alt-right" accounts under their expanded terms of service.

Personally, I believe that censorship on such a ubiquitous platform is morally wrong, short of explicit crimes being posted, and from a business perspective, a Silicon Valley darling that's been hemorrhaging money is foolish to take a political stand.

It's a two step program towards Orwellian thinking.
Once you've stopped people saying the words people just find a way around saying the words while retaining the meaning, once you find you can't stop that you remove the meanings and thought. But you can't police thought. But they'd try.

Nah, just keep the censorship to criminal acts and stuff rather than thought crimes and hate crimes.
We should give people the agency to look after themselves instead of breeding this "lock out" and "safe space" culture. It's bullshit.

[Vol]

You know, having the luxury of being able to get on national TV to advocate that your college should offer tuition and board to illegals over natives is bourgeoisie as fuck. Which is funny, because generally under actual Marxism, those naive, wealthy, well-educated youth are the flagbearers for the revolution, and then get lined up against the wall once rural peasants start getting officer roles.

[TheodoricFriede]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmVsmbmcUUI&index=11&list=WL

Um...

That would be a constitutional amendment.

And the Supreme Court is going to lean heavily conservative for quite some time.

And the Electoral Collage has consistently served conservatives

Not going to happen any time soon.

[Vol]

Fun fact: The Democrats are one one state legislature away from being unable to block a constitutional convention if the Republicans want to call one.

I don't know what the hell the GOP has been doing behind the scenes, but they've been sweeping up the smaller offices pretty handily, and now they're going to own the big 3. Tribalism!

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Believe it or not I don't NORMALLY take a vindictive pleasure in the suffering of others.

But Chunk "The Armenian Genocide didn't happen" Yogurt and Ana "I'm fucking better than you!" Kasparian? Their suffering I can enjoy.

Their suffering is the finest meat and wine served by an exquisite courtesan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiWY0iRLV94

[Mazder]

Believe it or not I don't NORMALLY take a vindictive pleasure in the suffering of others.

But Chunk "The Armenian Genocide didn't happen" Yogurt and Ana "I'm fucking better than you!" Kasparian? Their suffering I can enjoy.

Their suffering is the finest meat and wine served by an exquisite courtesan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiWY0iRLV94

Even I am revelling in the saltiness of the likes of The Young Turks and Laci green and all that lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmVsmbmcUUI&index=11&list=WL

Um...

That would be a constitutional amendment.

And the Supreme Court is going to lean heavily conservative for quite some time.

And the Electoral Collage has consistently served conservatives

Not going to happen any time soon.

As long as you put something else in place to ensure built up and urban states aren't voting over literally 5 other states each then the electoral college can go away. At present it's the only thing keeping things even remotely fair in terms of straight up population densities deciding the vote.

I mean would it be remotely fair if the people, and states of Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Utah and Colorado were overruled by California alone?
Especially when in this last cycle one could have won by the popular vote in these dense states and still have potentially won without an electoral college.

It'd be like somewhere the landmass of Switzerland and Liechtenstein but super, super dense, deciding everything for Europe. (Except that already exists it's just in Brussels. )

[DarkStorm]

https://www.facebook.com/roselyne.cadet ... 273990070/

[Vol]

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/30652 ... nding-bill

So the GOP is lining up to kiss Trump's ring, in essence. Paul Ryan's even coming out to support term limits for Congress, which while one of Trump's promises, would require an act of God to get passed.

Though the spending bill makes sense, since Trump's supposed to make some massive changes with it. I hear $1,000,000,000,000 floated around as the fund for infrastructure improvement, for starters.

[TheodoricFriede]

So the GOP is lining up to kiss Trump's ring, in essence.

I probably said it before, but can you blame them?

This whole election, to quote Colbert, was like the entire GOP getting into an elevator with Trump. AND THE CORD SNAPS, AND EVERYONE IS PLUMMETING TO CERTAIN DOOM! SCREAMING AND GNASHING OF TEETH AND-- the elevator comes to a gentle halt, and the doors open and its a candy store and everything's free!

[FrozenShadow]

Here's a question for everyone, but most of all Trump supporters.

I'm sure you have heard or read by now about this case, where Trump's "60 minute" CBS interview was later used to advertise bracelet Ivanka Trump was wearing during it. Not to mention of the news of how Trump gave a lot of donation he got during his campaigns to many companies he owns.

So, my question is, what do think of Trump and his family using his presidency to advertise or someone other way benefit Trump's own companies? Does it worries you or do you even care if this would happen in even larger scale?

[Vol]

@Theo: Noice avatar, broski.

I can, because the GOP were trying to pull a Bernie on Trump, though they failed for a number of reasons. Then comes the general, and he's got barely anyone helping. Reince, Sessions, two of very few GOP guys who hitched their cart to their nominee and faced the shitwinds blowing in from the ravages of the shitstorms, Randy. So there is a certain satisfaction in the realization that the guy they refused to help is now their boss, and they better fall in line and kiss the ring, all politicking aside.

@Frozen: What was the context of the bracelet advertisement?

But the Trump companies things is that he's legally required to reimburse his own companies for services used during the campaign. So he had to pay for his plane's usage with campaign funds, his events at his buildings, his use of Trump Tower as HQ, all that. I couldn't tell you if it was at a fair market rate or not, but given how lean his campaign was, I'd expect he spent as little as possible.

I imagine the logic is that a billionaire could otherwise use his plane and buildings at no cost beyond maintenance, which would give him a massive, unfair advantage over other candidates who do not have that luxury. There was actually a short series of media attacks when his HQ at TT was moved to a larger area and he started charging himself more for the use of it.

But as to advertising Trump products through the presidency, I would personally be against it. Unfair advantage in the marketplace to have the President advocating for his own family's products. His kids, who will take over the companies, doing it? Grey area, but I'd prefer they not invoke their father or his new seat directly. And of course, I'd not be okay with contracts or other government boons being granted to them directly, but indirect benefits of his various economic plans are fine.

Also: Jeff Sessions has been chosen as Trump's Attorney General pick, Lt. General Flynn as his head of NSA, and Mike Pompeo as Director of the CIA. And the Trump University lawsuit has been settled for $25,000,000, but as part of the settlement, Trump is not required to admit to any wrongdoing.

[TheodoricFriede]

So, my question is, what do think of Trump and his family using his presidency to advertise or someone other way benefit Trump's own companies? Does it worries you or do you even care if this would happen in even larger scale?

Look if he fixes the economy and creates jobs, Ill buy the fucking bracelet myself.

[Vol]

Here's a lesson for you all. Trump has a trick for dealing with bad news with the media, and he used it over and over since the primaries.

Something big, but slightly complex, comes up that would look really bad for him->Immediately attack someone or say something ridiculous to distract

So he settled the Trump U case for $25 mill, admits no wrongdoing, but the media could go into a feeding frenzy about it. So Pence gets some boos when seeing Hamilton last night, then the cast gives a pretentious speech towards him after the show, and Trump makes some snarky attacks at them on Twitter this morning. The tweets take all press time now.



Keep it in mind going forward.

In lighter news, apparently Sanders is saying that he'll work with Trump on some of the populist parts of his platform. So that's nice, maybe ole' Bernie will get to help fix this country in part.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Bernie's already bent the knee before. Kneeling again wouldn't be hard for him.

[TheodoricFriede]

In lighter news, apparently Sanders is saying that he'll work with Trump on some of the populist parts of his platform. So that's nice, maybe ole' Bernie will get to help fix this country in part.

I liked his statement.

"We will work with you on workers rights, not on racist stuff."

Works for me.

[Vol]

If nothing else, the big infrastructure bill should get through Congress with bipartisan support, though the specifics of how much the public-private partnership skews will be bitter.

[TheodoricFriede]

If nothing else, the big infrastructure bill should get through Congress with bipartisan support, though the specifics of how much the public-private partnership skews will be bitter.

Bipartisanship is what i want most of all.

It would be hilarious if Trump was the one to manage it.

[Vol]

Though the Dems are in a real dangerous place, mind you. Minority in all branches of government once Trump installs a new Justice. Plus they're one state legislature away from being unable to block a constitutional convention if one was called. So given the disarray in leadership, people wanting to full obstructionist "Fight fight!" and those wanting to work with Trump's obviously left-leaning side, it's going to be interesting.

Given Trump's barely a Republican/conservative, I imagine there should be a good bit more bipartisanship than with Obama. Especially since he's a deal maker who owes zero loyalty to the party after the shit they pulled.

[Alienmorph]

Trump is a straight up wild card in many accounts. That's both the best and worst thing about him being in charge.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I'm just waiting for him to Annex Cuckada.

We need to nip this Sweden as fuck shit they've been doing in the bud. Trudeau and his Soc Jus cultists can all go to Sweden.

[Vol]

This "fake news" narrative isn't going away. That's worrying. Tell me, folks, who do you trust to tell you what outlets are "real news"?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

None of the major outlets. I've got shitlords on the internet for my news.

[Vol]

Literally no outlet can be trusted to decide what is or isn't real news. That's the problem. CNN, Infowars, Fox, Breitbart, MSNBC, and a thousand more, Facebook or Twitter or whoever is absolutely not qualified to decide which is a valid source or not. That's part of why Wikipedia's become a morass of misinformation in certain areas, "notability" meaning whatever a select circle of "valid" outlets report on.

My point being, bash the fash.

[DarkStorm]

https://www.facebook.com/numbersusa/vid ... 575866435/

[Sites32]

Literally no outlet can be trusted to decide what is or isn't real news. That's the problem. CNN, Infowars, Fox, Breitbart, MSNBC, and a thousand more, Facebook or Twitter or whoever is absolutely not qualified to decide which is a valid source or not. That's part of why Wikipedia's become a morass of misinformation in certain areas, "notability" meaning whatever a select circle of "valid" outlets report on.

My point being, bash the fash.

Disturbing isn't it. I for the most part stopped using Facebook for various reasons but the biggest is the complete lies and fabrication pushed as factual news. I caught on a long time ago and tried to convince others it's bs but no one seemed to listen, they just shared and reposted without doing actual research. It amazes me what people will believe if it justifies their own beliefs and self interests.

[TTTX]

Disturbing isn't it. I for the most part stopped using Facebook for various reasons but the biggest is the complete lies and fabrication pushed as factual news. I caught on a long time ago and tried to convince others it's bs but no one seemed to listen, they just shared and reposted without doing actual research. It amazes me what people will believe if it justifies their own beliefs and self interests.

People have been doing that for probably for as long as there have been humans.

[TheodoricFriede]

Literally no outlet can be trusted to decide what is or isn't real news. That's the problem. CNN, Infowars, Fox, Breitbart, MSNBC, and a thousand more, Facebook or Twitter or whoever is absolutely not qualified to decide which is a valid source or not. That's part of why Wikipedia's become a morass of misinformation in certain areas, "notability" meaning whatever a select circle of "valid" outlets report on.

My point being, bash the fash.

I got nothing for you. A friend of mine who also predicted trumps victory says that he gets his news by going as far left and far right as possible, trying to glean any information from the sensationalist articles, then do the research on his own.

[Sites32]

Disturbing isn't it. I for the most part stopped using Facebook for various reasons but the biggest is the complete lies and fabrication pushed as factual news. I caught on a long time ago and tried to convince others it's bs but no one seemed to listen, they just shared and reposted without doing actual research. It amazes me what people will believe if it justifies their own beliefs and self interests.

People have been doing that for probably for as long as there have been humans.

True but in today's world of tech and the instant spread of word it to me is truly been shocking to see truths tossed aside in favor of hits for money and people who bitch the most research the least.

[Vol]

TX's on the money, it's part of the human condition. An extension of old survival instincts. Which is great for figuring out how to not die in the wilds, but less so when dealing with highly complex, abstract fields.

So basically, as professional sage Scott Adams says, be aware of your own biases, be skeptical of everything else, and buy his book.

[TTTX]

TX's on the money, it's part of the human condition. An extension of old survival instincts. Which is great for figuring out how to not die in the wilds, but less so when dealing with highly complex, abstract fields.

So basically, as professional sage Scott Adams says, be aware of your own biases, be skeptical of everything else, and buy his book.

if I'm on the money, does that mean I get paid?

[Mobius_118]

Been a minute since I been on this thread.

So...Trump has Nazis in his camp. Called that.

Fucking Nazis. I grew up on stories about taking Nazis out with extreme prejudice. Because Nazis were evil.

And now it's perfectly fucking normal to have people giving the salute, hailing Trump.

[TheodoricFriede]

...You are an imbecile.

[Mobius_118]

...You are an imbecile.

I just watched, unedited, white supremacists doing the goddamn Nazi salute during a speech from the Neo Nazi Trump hired, hailing Trump.

You're a moron if this doesn't concern you at all.

Maybe you enjoy being baked. It'll be a gas.

[TheodoricFriede]

I dont think you fully understand what a Nazi or the Nazi party is.

This doesn't surprise me however.

But if you are so sure there will be secret police dragging people to death camps, by all means, by 100 to 1 odds bet still stands. You put up 10 dollars, and ill put up 1000.

[DarkStorm]

https://www.facebook.com/TomiLahren/vid ... 535847732/

https://www.facebook.com/Transition2017 ... 513193142/

[Mobius_118]

I don't want your money, I'd rather you not have to worry about fascist fuckers taking over.

Which, after seeing some shit, it's gaining ground.

So...go straddle a parking cone, you inflammatory little fuckmuffin.

[TheodoricFriede]

Oh, im not worried about losing any money. Not even a little bit. Like, i could not be less worried about losing this bet.

Im also not at all worried about the idea of "fascists" taking over. It is, in fact, very hard to worry about that when a parties platform has, for generations, been about states rights and small government.

As far as inflammatory comments go... Dear, you called the new presidents cabinet Nazi's. It dont get much more inflammatory than that.

[Mobius_118]

When I see white supremacists doing that salute that my family has intimate experience with, it's kinda hard not to think Nazi.

So hey, I call it like I see it. Fucking Nazi's. Not even joking or going with hyperbole. If it talks like a Nazi, salutes like a Nazi, acts like a Nazi, it's a fucking Nazi.

[TheodoricFriede]

Aside from the fact that it has no connection to the historical nazi's, which could also back up their rhetoric with an army that was capable of the attempted overthrow of the government years before Hitler had ever come to power.

Also get over yourself princess, my Jewish family has people that fought in WW2.
(Oh hey noticed you deleted that line! Did it suddenly hit you?)
((Oops, no its still there. My Mistake!))

[Mazder]

I just watched, unedited, white supremacists doing the goddamn Nazi salute during a speech from the Neo Nazi Trump hired, hailing Trump.

You're a moron if this doesn't concern you at all.

Maybe you enjoy being baked. It'll be a gas.

Got a source on that?
I'd like to see it for myself.

[TheodoricFriede]

Got a source on that?
I'd like to see it for myself.

Oh there's definitely white supremacists doing Nazi salutes, but we have had those for decades.

They are not, however, fascists or a political party. They are a bunch of inbred racists that dont even understand what it is they are supporting.

Theres a big difference, for example, of a man having a confederate flag on his car, and being in Lee's Army of South Virginia.