Politics/Slapfights - Ancient history to modern day!

[Mazder]

Oh there's definitely white supremacists doing Nazi salutes, but we have had those for decades.

They are not, however, fascists or a political party. They are a bunch of inbred racists that dont even understand what it is they are supporting.

Theres a big difference, for example, of a man having a confederate flag on his car, and being in Lee's Army of South Virginia.

Well while I know the first line is true I am unsure on the number or severity of the act.

I am sure it is the very same as the few racists in my country who would vote for the BNP or UKIP.
But unless I see it or a source on it it's just a claim and another scapegoat to lumber a large and diverse group in with the worst in them.

Honestly I am seriously wondering how people on the far left can claim the things they had when they had a perfect candidate in their hands but decided to throw him under the bus for a rather weak narrative.

[Mobius_118]

Also get over yourself princess, my Jewish family has people that fought in WW2.
(Oh hey noticed you deleted that line! Did it suddenly hit you?)
((Oops, no its still there. My Mistake!))

French side, French Resistance.

German side, enlisted, but guided Jewish people out at great personal risk.

US side, both fronts. There was brother on brother on the European side.

And now white supremacy and the 4th Reich is being normalized. Just because it's not the Jews this time doesn't mean you can turn a blind eye and call those who see it for what it is imbeciles.

[TTTX]

French side, French Resistance.

German side, enlisted, but guided Jewish people out at great personal risk.

US side, both fronts. There was brother on brother on the European side.

And now white supremacy and the 4th Reich is being normalized. Just because it's not the Jews this time doesn't mean you can turn a blind eye and call those who see it for what it is imbeciles.

You do realize it takes more then one person to turn something into a dictatorship, not to mention it takes the right environment at the right time.

Hitler didn't take control of Germany by himself after all.

[Mobius_118]

He's filling the cabinet with white supremacist fucks.

This is the beginning of something bad, and I'm being ostracized.

[TheodoricFriede]

$10 to $1000, Mobius.

[Mobius_118]

Not taking your money.

You're gonna need it.

[TheodoricFriede]

You are so full of shit.

[Mobius_118]

I dunno, I was deep inside the beast, I might have a better perspective than you on the whole thing.

Just saying.

You want to remain blissfully ignorant, that's up to you.

I'm not gonna say I told you so.

[TTTX]

He's filling the cabinet with white supremacist fucks.

This is the beginning of something bad, and I'm being ostracized.

the only one I have heard about that fits that description is the Vice president.

well you also said Trump supporters did a lot of terrible stuff which turned out a large portion of it was lies and propaganda and that you are saying is basically something you think might happened.

How about you calm down and wait for Trump to do something really bad (if it ever happens), before you scream the sky is falling.

[Mazder]

I dunno, I was deep inside the beast, I might have a better perspective than you on the whole thing.

Just saying.

You want to remain blissfully ignorant, that's up to you.

I'm not gonna say I told you so.

Then how about you provide some perspective instead of whining and running around like Chicken Little warning about the sky falling?

Because honestly all we have seen thus far is the same as every other hardball liberal. Whining, panic and a lot of rhetoric and hatred.
Can you please provide sources for your reasoning other than your feelings.

Yeah, I might not remotely like Trump, but I am at least not panicking and calling him the next Hitler when he really has no-where near the power people are scared about and no real reason to change things that those are worried about. He's mostly aiming at infrastructure rather than rights.

[Mobius_118]

Right...Give fascism a chance.

You're all nuts.

[Mazder]

Right...Give fascism a chance.

You're all nuts.

Go Go Gadget Political reaching!

Even if you disagree with some opinions of the political discourse that does not remotely imply wreck and ruin of your nation, in fact your nation NEEDS some curtailing in areas. The fact you swing so far with each presidential candidate that gets into power means you need a little bit of a strong hand when things get messed up.
And if 2016 is any indicator your country desperately needs that strong hand. I mean if you're not going to be sensible and vote for the first genuinely great candidate you had in years (Bernie) then you honestly can not escape people looking to go against the candidate calling them every terrible buzzword under the sun.

[Mobius_118]

So we need a dictatorship.

Awesome. Most powerful military in the world, ran by a guy who goes off on Twitter and plays, who can't take any satire.

That's a recipe for success and peace across the land.

[TTTX]

So we need a dictatorship.

Awesome. Most powerful military in the world, ran by a guy who goes off on Twitter and plays, who can't take any satire.

That's a recipe for success and peace across the land.

Trump has said he will try working with the other candidates or at the very least extended his hand to them.

which doesn't sound like a dictatorship to me.

[TheodoricFriede]

I dunno, I was deep inside the beast, I might have a better perspective than you on the whole thing.

"The Beast"

Please, the high school students protesting in Oregon for a cheap thrill saw more action than you did.

Perspective comes from history. REAL history.

[TheodoricFriede]

dictatorship. fascism. 4th Reich. Nazi. Neo Nazi.

You keep saying these words, and i dont think you know what they mean.

[Mazder]

So we need a dictatorship.

Awesome. Most powerful military in the world, ran by a guy who goes off on Twitter and plays, who can't take any satire.

That's a recipe for success and peace across the land.

Dude, that is not what I meant and you know it.

Drop the Butthurt Liberal act for a moment and think logically. For one second.
Your country has survived a cycle of Right, Left, Right, Left that I am surprised you're not all dizzy.

Do you want to know why the Left failed?
Because your Democratic and left leaning side was so concerned with image and buzzwords that they let their guard down and let the Republican party sneak in on policy so much that they didn't even NEED a strong leader, just anyone who was willing to got he whole ride before you placed the gun in your own collective mouths, now all they're waiting for is for you to blame the opposition for pulling the trigger when you'll do it by being in such a panic that you can not even form a coherent argument against their ideas.

You let safe spaces and other social divisions divide your party so much that even by the end of the primaries where you were forced to pick someone you weren't sure of that candidate until 2 weeks before the damned election.
The Left has become so fragmented and filled with such infighting that any tiny divergence from what could be considered the norm is perceived as "racist" or "sexist" or "anti-LGBTQ" or any -ism or -ist you want to draw out.
Don't want Hillary but want Bernie? Sexist!
Don't want to do something about the influx of illegal immigrants? racist!
Don't like the method BLM is using to put their message across and you dislike the looting and rioting? Racist x20!
Don't agree with every tiny structure the Tumblrites wish to enact to biology based laws? Bigoted against the LGBTQ folk!

That has been going on throughout the entire campaign for the Democratic party. Yet the Republicans have been focusing on jobs, manufacturing, preserving the american way of life. Yeah they have harsh views about the demographics that are causing more harm than good. They may even be racist themselves, but I would take a united front over a fragmented one that doesn't even know what it wants.

Can you even begin to imagine the amount of mess the Democratic party would bring in, especially in it's fragmented state?

And that is coming from someone ON THE LEFT.
I despise Trump. I think he's a cunt.
But I despise a divided nation calling out butthurt shit that should remain on Tumblr all the more.

I say this because I honestly care.
Calm,. the fuck, down.
It will do you far more good to see things as rhetoric than literal for a while.

dictatorship. fascism. 4th Reich.

You keep saying these words, and i dont think you know what they mean.

Hell the Holy Roman Empire was the 1st Reich.
That was Democratic as fuuuuck!

[DarkStorm]

GUYS FUCKING Y2K! DOOMSDAY!
GUYS BLACK PRESIDENT! DOOMSDAY!
GUYS BREXIT! DOOMSDAY!

[DarkStorm]

Drop the Butthurt Liberal act for a moment and think logically. For one second.

They cant cause once they think logically everything they stand for and say breaks down instantly.

[Mazder]

GUYS BREXIT! DOOMSDAY!

Oi, that's MY thing.

[DarkStorm]

GUYS BREXIT! DOOMSDAY!

Oi, that's MY thing.

my point still stands, that overacting is pointless.

[Mazder]

GUYS BREXIT! DOOMSDAY!

Oi, that's MY thing.

my point still stands, that overacting is pointless.

True.

[Mobius_118]

It would be a different world had people actually took the threat as it is instead of what you crazies are doing.

Such is life.

[Mazder]

It would be a different world had people actually took the threat as it is instead of what you crazies are doing.

Such is life.

What threat?
Seriously lay out where your threats lie because right now the only one acting/appearing crazy right now is you.
Once you put forth where you find umbridge we can actually talk to you like a rational human being instead of some nutjob who is terrified because his feefee's got hurt.
Until then go back to your hugbox if it helps you.

[Alienmorph]

To be fair, calling off the paranoia over either Brexit and Trump is waaaaaaaay too premature.

The first will likely take the majority of 2017 to properly happen... and it still tore apart the UK's government already. And Trump is not yet President either, and he's probably not gonna be the All-New-All-American-Hitler... but so far for every thing he said that shows a vague amount of thought, there was at least another (often more) very worrysome thing that came out of his mouth.

No more paranoia, no more insulting the people that voted such things into existence... but is waaaay too soo to start gloating that the world is not a bad place despite stuff like that happening. Mostly because so far they haven't happened, they've just been voted, and we know thei're coming.

Let's see the state of the planet in about 5-10 years... after the United Kingdom will have properly imploded over its own wish to stand on its own and yet ontop of the rest of the Europe, and we'll have had a Captain Planet villain in charge of one of the most industrialized and militarized nations on this rock for some time.

Being sore losers about this stuff, or acting like pissy hipsters on this matters is stupid, and I apologize myself for my initial reactions... but acting like "Hey look, Brexit and Trump are a thing, and the world has not imploded yet, so stop bitching!" is equally idiotic, because politics and economics don't usually change our world in just a few days, but their reapercussions can often be felt for decades.

All we can do right now is hope for the best, prepare for the worst and stop insulting each other like we are dumb kids. Or at least, that's how I see it.

[Vol]

In Trump's ongoing war with the media, he's sidestepped them to give an update on the transition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xX_KaStFT8

Today,apparently the new word is that he won't likely be pursuing charges against Clinton for her email server. However, he also refused to rule it out, and given there are other investigations going on with her, and the actual scope of his power as POTUS, it might be a smokescreen to prevent Obama from issuing a pardon and/or helping unite the country. Who the fuck knows?

[DarkStorm]

https://www.facebook.com/TomiLahren/vid ... 702427282/

[SciFlyBoy]

Trump disavows the white supremacist Alt-right movement. Said it's not a group he wants to energize.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/po ... .html?_r=0

[DarkStorm]

UNKNOWN: Mr. President-elect, I wanted to ask you, there was a conference this past weekend in Washington of people who pledged their allegiance to Nazism.

TRUMP: Boy, you are really into this stuff, huh?

PRIEBUS: I think we answered that one right off the bat.
Interactive Feature: Trump Tower, the Center of the Political Universe

UNKNOWN: Are you going to condemn them?

TRUMP: Of course I did, of course I did.

PRIEBUS: He already did.

UNKNOWN: Are you going to do it right now?

TRUMP: Oh, I see, maybe you weren’t here. Sure. Would you like me to do it here? I’ll do it here. Of course I condemn. I disavow and condemn.

Yep his the new hitler everyone.

[FrozenShadow]

You do realize it takes more then one person to turn something into a dictatorship, not to mention it takes the right environment at the right time.

Hitler didn't take control of Germany by himself after all.

Completely true, but Hitler got his power through democratic process. He acted like he cared of democracy, yet one of the first things he did was prohibit all the other parties and anything democratic. And the people went with it, because Hitler preached of matters that people felt were important to them. At the same time, all of this was also possible, because Hitler had gathered liked minded people or some people just saw Hitler as a way to do things they personally wanted.

Having watched the route to the recent election and the aftermath, the danger is there.

Trump is charismatic speaker, who knows the way to affect people with his words and actions.

In spirit of populism, many of Trumps plans and ideas are in broad terms, promises of large changes all to make the country better. Definitely something that "sinks" to people, even if Trump rarely said, who he plans to do many of the things he said.

Trump is filling his cabinet with people, who got questionable ties, which leaves suspicions of their ultimate motives:Bannon being the worst as everything this guys say worries me.

Most of Trump's supporters are good folks, yet he also has a lots rabid believers, who are always damn dangerous: All those people, who where, chanting for jailing Clinton, support of all kind of radical right parties, kkk and people, who actually shouts "kill obama", like this one guy during Trumps victory speech.

Trump can easily get more popular and more authority, if he will give people what they want, like jobs and tax cuts, generally improving people lives. Yes, this is good thing, but it can be used to nefarious purposes as when people are happy, they more readily accept some more questionable decisions. And Trump's plans to improve infrastructure? That's exactly what Hitler did too as it keeps people happy.

Because Trump can name like minded people in key roles in government and if he keeps some of his promises and make people happy, he can more easily work in shadows and start to change laws. And if this is done right, general populace don't care slightest as they have work and happy lives. To use example here, Trump's idea of for every new federal law, two old one will be removed. What better way to to change laws and remove " two good" old and then add one "new and improved".

Unlike Hitler, Trump is rich. He can buy or threaten though monetary means to people do what he wants. And even his Trump himself might not do this, then people supporting him might still use this as a weapon to blackmail, manipulate and outright threaten people to agree.

Trump is opportunist heaven candidate. All the racists and supremacist and so on, who got any brains or political insight, can use Trump, especially matters Trump isn't so familiar with (like politics in general).

The current environment is beneficial for this kind of stuff. Whole slogan of "make America great again" is in essence pure nationalism, which takes the power from people upset over current globalization or globalist views. People feel like they have suffered from injustice. For 1930s germans, it was The Treaty of Versailles. For today's Americans, it's unemployment, poverty and feeling on being slighted in important matters. And just like Hitler promised to ignore ToV and all it entailed, Trump had also promised to change the thing that bothers people.

Other thing that helps affects to environment is one really worrisome matter. People do not care about facts anymore. During the campaign, both candidates (though more for Trump) said things, that were total fiction or half-truths at best. Yet, many people believed what was said. This problem is not just election related, but affects everything.

And social media actually makes this worse. These days people believes various rumors of people doing or saying this and that in facebook, twitter and so on. Sadly this had bleed into everything else too as people had started to believe a lot of heresay things as truth in social media. It also doesn't help, that with internet, these things are more easily available and once it's out there, it's nearly important to fix the matter.

All that said, I'm not saying that Trump will be next Hitler or that he changed US as North Korean like hereditary dictatorship or as "constitutional laws are mere changeable guidelines" like it's in Russia. It's possible that Trump might end up being one of the best presidents of all time.

However, it's dangerous, if people don't want to even acknowledge the potential dangers, the similarities to the past that do exist and how it could happen again. Hitler was thought of being a joke; slightly power hungry, yet not overly dangerous before the WW2. No one took him or the danger he represented seriously, before it was too late.

We all better watch Trump and his cabinet closely and stay critical, even if Trump would manage to do good things. Because once we stop criticism and watching over policymakers, it's recipe for catastrophe. In normal politics,it wouldn't matter too much and most politicians only care of staying in power, not actually using that power to change things. But in Trump and his supporters case, it's completely opposite as they want to use their power to change things.

That however can mean good or bad, which is why we need to stay vigilant.

tl;dr Hitler didn't take control of Germany all alone as he got help. But Trump does have that same help, people who follow(ed) him and that believes in same things and now has power to do all what he/they want. If you really look at current situation and how things were back in 1930s, a lot of similarities can be drawn. This is something that should not be forgotten or ignored.

So, while it's best to keep open mind and give Trump's lead government a chance, it's best to stay vigilant and critical or history might repeat itself.

[TTTX]

Completely true, but Hitler got his power through democratic process. He acted like he cared of democracy, yet one of the first things he did was prohibit all the other parties and anything democratic. And the people went with it, because Hitler preached of matters that people felt were important to them. At the same time, all of this was also possible, because Hitler had gathered liked minded people or some people just saw Hitler as a way to do things they personally wanted.

Having watched the route to the recent election and the aftermath, the danger is there.

Trump is charismatic speaker, who knows the way to affect people with his words and actions.

In spirit of populism, many of Trumps plans and ideas are in broad terms, promises of large changes all to make the country better. Definitely something that "sinks" to people, even if Trump rarely said, who he plans to do many of the things he said.

Trump is filling his cabinet with people, who got questionable ties, which leaves suspicions of their ultimate motives:Bannon being the worst as everything this guys say worries me.

Most of Trump's supporters are good folks, yet he also has a lots rabid believers, who are always damn dangerous: All those people, who where, chanting for jailing Clinton, support of all kind of radical right parties, kkk and people, who actually shouts "kill obama", like this one guy during Trumps victory speech.

Trump can easily get more popular and more authority, if he will give people what they want, like jobs and tax cuts, generally improving people lives. Yes, this is good thing, but it can be used to nefarious purposes as when people are happy, they more readily accept some more questionable decisions. And Trump's plans to improve infrastructure? That's exactly what Hitler did too as it keeps people happy.

Because Trump can name like minded people in key roles in government and if he keeps some of his promises and make people happy, he can more easily work in shadows and start to change laws. And if this is done right, general populace don't care slightest as they have work and happy lives. To use example here, Trump's idea of for every new federal law, two old one will be removed. What better way to to change laws and remove " two good" old and then add one "new and improved".

Unlike Hitler, Trump is rich. He can buy or threaten though monetary means to people do what he wants. And even his Trump himself might not do this, then people supporting him might still use this as a weapon to blackmail, manipulate and outright threaten people to agree.

Trump is opportunist heaven candidate. All the racists and supremacist and so on, who got any brains or political insight, can use Trump, especially matters Trump isn't so familiar with (like politics in general).

The current environment is beneficial for this kind of stuff. Whole slogan of "make America great again" is in essence pure nationalism, which takes the power from people upset over current globalization or globalist views. People feel like they have suffered from injustice. For 1930s germans, it was The Treaty of Versailles. For today's Americans, it's unemployment, poverty and feeling on being slighted in important matters. And just like Hitler promised to ignore ToV and all it entailed, Trump had also promised to change the thing that bothers people.

Other thing that helps affects to environment is one really worrisome matter. People do not care about facts anymore. During the campaign, both candidates (though more for Trump) said things, that were total fiction or half-truths at best. Yet, many people believed what was said. This problem is not just election related, but affects everything.

And social media actually makes this worse. These days people believes various rumors of people doing or saying this and that in facebook, twitter and so on. Sadly this had bleed into everything else too as people had started to believe a lot of heresay things as truth in social media. It also doesn't help, that with internet, these things are more easily available and once it's out there, it's nearly important to fix the matter.

All that said, I'm not saying that Trump will be next Hitler or that he changed US as North Korean like hereditary dictatorship or as "constitutional laws are mere changeable guidelines" like it's in Russia. It's possible that Trump might end up being one of the best presidents of all time.

However, it's dangerous, if people don't want to even acknowledge the potential dangers, the similarities to the past that do exist and how it could happen again. Hitler was thought of being a joke; slightly power hungry, yet not overly dangerous before the WW2. No one took him or the danger he represented seriously, before it was too late.

We all better watch Trump and his cabinet closely and stay critical, even if Trump would manage to do good things. Because once we stop criticism and watching over policymakers, it's recipe for catastrophe. In normal politics,it wouldn't matter too much and most politicians only care of staying in power, not actually using that power to change things. But in Trump and his supporters case, it's completely opposite as they want to use their power to change things.

That however can mean good or bad, which is why we need to stay vigilant.

tl;dr Hitler didn't take control of Germany all alone as he got help. But Trump does have that same help, people who follow(ed) him and that believes in same things and now has power to do all what he/they want. If you really look at current situation and how things were back in 1930s, a lot of similarities can be drawn. This is something that should not be forgotten or ignored.

So, while it's best to keep open mind and give Trump's lead government a chance, it's best to stay vigilant and critical or history might repeat itself.

True enough.

[Vol]

http://elections.wi.gov/sites/default/f ... _12391.pdf

The Green party lady managed to raises millions and millions to force a recount, she's going to try for Michigan and PA too.

[DarkStorm]

http://elections.wi.gov/sites/default/files/news/wisconsin_recount_petition_of_jill_stein_00268242_12391.pdf

The Green party lady managed to raises millions and millions to force a recount, she's going to try for Michigan and PA too.

Would be funny if they just told them no.

[Vol]

I think they can, since her reason for filing is literally "Russian hacking." But if nothing else, she's making some great money for the Green Party's next run.

[TTTX]

I think they can, since her reason for filing is literally "Russian hacking." But if nothing else, she's making some great money for the Green Party's next run.

maybe that is her real goal.

[Mobius_118]

It's already coming in that Trump supporters committed voter fraud in Wisconsin, so there's that.

That shitbucket and all his shitbucket cronies need to be ousted time now.

[DarkStorm]

While it was already reported hillary was doing it in multiple states.

[Vol]

Hm? The recount hasn't started yet. Stein filed the form and paid some fee, now there's bureaucratic bullshit that's gotta take place before they start, I think the Trump and Clinton teams get to try to push for or against it, and so on.

The basis of the claim is a "computer scientist" saying that his prediction model was off by 7%.

[TTTX]

At this point and time I wouldn't believe any sort of news about the USA election for any other reason then there have been so much lying and such already.

I rather have some hard evidence at this point.

[DarkStorm]

Hm? The recount hasn't started yet. Stein filed the form and paid some fee, now there's bureaucratic bullshit that's gotta take place before they start, I think the Trump and Clinton teams get to try to push for or against it, and so on.

The basis of the claim is a "computer scientist" saying that his prediction model was off by 7%.

Well they need to hand count the states hillary did voter fraud in, its only fair.If it goes through.

[Vol]

At this point and time I wouldn't believe any sort of news about the USA election for any other reason then there have been so much lying and such already.

I rather have some hard evidence at this point.

That's for the best. Be highly skeptical of everything you hear, good or bad. I don't believe the recount will change the result by more than a couple hundred (even thousand) votes either way, since the margins in most states was too big. Though Michigan came down to 10k, it already had a recount. I'm all cynical, so I think this was Stein's way of generating a bunch of cash for the Green Party.

And to clarify, I put "computer scientist" in quotes because as a title, "computer scientist" is as meaningful as saying someone is a "service industry worker."

[TheodoricFriede]

While it was already reported hillary was doing it in multiple states.

how dare you racist sexist faciest pig that doesnt count i hope you die in the 4th reich

[TTTX]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5MLzSg7QoE&index=9&list=WL

[TheodoricFriede]

I hate this country.

[Mobius_118]

I hate this country.

So...move.

[TheodoricFriede]

So...move.

You first princess.

I didnt go on a 3 week temper tantrum when my political waifu didn't win.

Imbeciles like you are where my hate stems from.

[Mobius_118]

And fuck you too.

This was never about Hillary losing. This is about the progress we've made pretty much on track to get dismantled.

So if you honestly think this was about Hillary, you're the real imbecile. A true fucking moron.

[TheodoricFriede]

"Progress"

Uh huh. Tell me again about bridge in New York for sale.

[Mobius_118]

Enjoy those education vouchers.

And the loss of social security, Medicaid, net neutrality, renewable energy...

I could keep going, but basically everything you enjoy will be gone.

I am, however, talking to you. A complete retard. A window licking special needs case. Surely you'll have some sort of comeback that'll be an attempt at an insult.

[DarkStorm]

And it begins.