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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Vol » July 5th, 2021, 12:05 am

Hope you boys and girl had a lovely 4th, regardless of how American you may not be. I do miss the family BBQs, shy as I was as a kid, there was still always some kids I knew to play with, a lot of adults, and slightly overcooked food. Seems like it all went away, in the 00's, alas.

@magnus: True, that's a good point. Ogres are going to plug a lot of faction holes, so they best be pricey. Though that'd fuck the Tomb Kings, say. Dwarves'll be a terror now.

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Vol » July 6th, 2021, 11:28 pm

I'm off in the wilds of upstate NY for the next 2 days, fun, fun. Wifi is spotty at best, and I suspect I will not be capable of typing Thursday, so keep it cool, yo.

Still haven't bought anything on the Steam sale, though I really should, as nearly everything on my wish list is there. But the urge to consume is kinda restrained lately, in that I feel it, but dislike it.

Definitely getting the TW2 DLC, that's a given. Want to try Cyberpunk, now that I have the new PC, but I haven't heard word it's stable and fun yet. So P5 Strikers, Shin Megami Tensai 3 HD, or Mass Effect Legendary. I would've gotten all 3 in a frenzy of disposable income, but the SSL certification for CZ came up out of the blue for $90, so that was 2 of them right there.

Edit: Magnus, saw the Sylvanas raid fight cinematic.
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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Dragaros » July 7th, 2021, 12:17 am

Mazder wrote:Do your duty.


I am presented with a dilemma – let’s call it a two-sided coin. Apparently so. But suppose you throw a coin enough times... suppose one day, it lands on its edge. :lol:
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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby magnuskn » July 7th, 2021, 1:26 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evGkiiUac2M

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Dragaros » July 8th, 2021, 12:58 am

magnuskn wrote:
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuccccckkkkk yyyyyoooooooooooooo, Blizzard!


For me, when it comes to Warcraft's story and lore, it peaked in the period of time of 2002-2006. Been downhill ever since.
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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby magnuskn » July 8th, 2021, 1:40 am

Vol wrote:Edit: Magnus, saw the Sylvanas raid fight cinematic. My condolences, we all see it coming.


We did indeed.

Dragaros wrote:For me, when it comes to Warcraft's story and lore, it peaked in the period of time of 2002-2006. Been downhill ever since.


Actually, there were some really good moments in it in the history of WoW. WotLK had a good story, overall and Legion also was really well told in its entirety. Hell, even Battle for Azeroth had really exquisite stuff with Jaina.

This, however... it's really Blizzard being shitty writers. It's so bloody obvious that now we are supposed to feel bad for Genocidal Female Undead Hitler, because she got her old personality back (which was rudimentary, at best) and AAAAAAALLLLLL has to be forgiven now.

Hrm, I do notice some similarities between this and Pathfinder: Kingmaker, where you can make the decision to give a big baddie her soul and ability to feel empathy back as well, after it had been robbed by a bigger bad, who then bound her to do bad stuff. In that case I did it and forgave her, but it was an act of agency on my side (I could just as well have killed her if I'd decided so), while this is the exact opposite, an imposition from above which demands that we have to accept Sylvanas now as a good guy again.

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

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magnuskn wrote:This, however... it's really Blizzard being shitty writers. It's so bloody obvious that now we are supposed to feel bad for Genocidal Female Undead Hitler, because she got her old personality back (which was rudimentary, at best) and AAAAAAALLLLLL has to be forgiven now.

Hrm, I do notice some similarities between this and Pathfinder: Kingmaker, where you can make the decision to give a big baddie her soul and ability to feel empathy back as well, after it had been robbed by a bigger bad, who then bound her to do bad stuff. In that case I did it and forgave her, but it was an act of agency on my side (I could just as well have killed her if I'd decided so), while this is the exact opposite, an imposition from above which demands that we have to accept Sylvanas now as a good guy again.

Anyone remember the Ghost Rider movie with Nicholas Cage? In that, Ghost Rider's most powerful weapon is his Penance Stare, where he can look you in the eyes and make you feel all the pain you've ever inflicted. The main bad guy is a demon and initially this doesn't work on him because he doesn't have a soul to burn. The McGuffin at the end of the movie gives him true ultimate power, but at the same time gives him every soul from some Old West town. Which of course provided ample fodder for Ghost Rider's stare.

Now, if you're going to pull a story like "give the bad guy a soul", the least you can do is have it be part of a satifsying comeuppance.

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Azint » July 9th, 2021, 1:59 am

I have no idea why people are so livid at that cutscene; and I also have no context as to what is happening. Could one of you enlighten me as to why there is an uproar on what went down? I don't know who these people are, what the stakes are, and their reactions.

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Azint wrote:I have no idea why people are so livid at that cutscene; and I also have no context as to what is happening. Could one of you enlighten me as to why there is an uproar on what went down? I don't know who these people are, what the stakes are, and their reactions.


The uproar in the World of Warcraft community is over the fate of Sylvanas Windrunner, the undead bow lady in that video. Basically, she used to be a high elf general who was killed by one of the major bad guys of the setting, Arthas (later the Lich King) and then raised as an undead banshee out of spite for having resisted him. She and a large part of the undead under his control became free-willed when he lost a part of his power and formed their own faction, The Forsaken, who were a playable race of undead in World of Warcraft. She became their leader.

The Forsaken and Sylvanas especially always were morally at best pretty ambiguous, often downright evil. Sylvanas always was at the forefront of their secret plans to develop a plague to wipe out the living completely. And then, after a succession of Warchiefs of the Horde (the larger overfaction of which the Forsaken are a part of) resigned or died, she was appointed leader of the Horde by her dying predecessor. And she used that to wage a war of extermination against the opposing faction, the Alliance, committing atrocities all over the place and wiping out the homeland of one of the major factions, the Night Elves, and genociding a large number of their race.

So, there's a very large contingent of WoW players who want her gone. Dead. Destroyed. And since she was a raid boss in the latest raid, which just came out this week, people saw a chance to be finally rid of her for good. However, there is a hardcore faction of edgelords who adore Sylvanas for being EEEEEEEVIL and a hot undead babe, who were hollering for her not to be killed off. And the (still current, not for much longer) lead writer for WoW, Steve Danuser, is one of those fanboys. Hence, instead of killing off Undead Female Hitler like she fucking deserves, the writers at WoW are trying to slip in a redemption story. Badly. And, no, I fucking won't stand for it. I unsuscribed a few months ago, both because I experienced (and am experiencing) severe MMO burnout, but just as importantly, because the writing was already on the wall back then and I made it very clear in my "why did you unsuscribe" message that this was a big factor for me.

It's a shame. There were many good times during my time with the game and I enjoyed the lore very much (the expansion Legion was very good on that side), but this is just a step too far. The writers already proved once that they are willing to let a genocidal war criminal go, only that time they did it so ham-fistedly that people still really can't believe it happened, but here people were holding out hope that they wouldn't commit the same mistake twice. Only now they've done it far worse.

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

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So... thei're trying to make Sylvanas WoW's Kerrigan, but worse?

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I live, again.

Once I entered the NY mountains proper, and the climate appreciably changed, I felt an internal peace I normally do not. It was nice. Seeing endless trees and mountains, and hearing little but animals and leaves, soothed me in a way that the endless suburban sprawl of NJ, or the humid marshes of SC, did not. The former mostly makes me angry and anxious, the latter was unpleasant to breathe in. A thunderstorm rolled in at night, and I took the time between downpours to have a cigarillo on the porch, watching the mountaintops come in and out of focus with the clouds.

From there, went up to Lake George, NY, to visit with family. Love them dearly, but circumstances keep us apart for years at a time. Only just now discovered LG is actually a very famous tourist spot, despite being largely 1 stretch of road and some boats on the lake.

Also found out the nature of my mother's lineage. Turns out, from her side, I'm mostly French Canadian, then Italian, with a splash of Irish/German. Then pure Dutch from my father. So, given no cultural roots, "white mutt." Never expected that, honestly, given I _look_ Irish/Italian more than anything else. Suppose I should embrace my bloodline, and my love of strong cheeses, and join the Foreign Legion.

My personal rule of not trusting most restaurants to cook a steak medium rare properly if the place is not outwardly high scale, regardless of pricing, holds true. Always go medium if they're not visibly fancy, because while I can eat rare steak, eating it cold is unpleasant.

Also, I have not seen so many skinny young women in a long, long time. They actually outnumbered the 400 pounders, which is novel at this point.

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

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Alienmorph wrote:So... thei're trying to make Sylvanas WoW's Kerrigan, but worse?


Prreeetty much, yes.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1XbBNAGo5g

Man, the “Garrosh did nothing wrong/Garrosh was right” folks are having a field day with this.
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And then there's Skullgirls, who literally outlived its original dev-team, and beats even Brawlhalla :lol:

Also, I'm pretty sure Smash Ultimate is almost done, I really really doubt thei're gonna announce a third season pass. Would not mind if they did, but I don't expect it.

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And then there's Skullgirls, who literally outlived its original dev-team, and beats even Brawlhalla :lol:

Also, I'm pretty sure Smash Ultimate is almost done, I really really doubt thei're gonna announce a third season pass. Would not mind if they did, but I don't expect it.


Yeah, Smash Ultimate just has one last DLC character left and then it's done, according to Sakurai, and he seems pretty firm on that. So unless the next character has MAXIMUM HYPE THAT BREAKS THE INTERNET that makes it sell so well it destroys DLC sales records and causes Nintendo to change their minds and beg Sakurai for few more, then that will be the end of it.
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