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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Mazder » July 28th, 2018, 4:20 pm

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Speaking of which, where does one (like me) post his writing? I've been doing some short stories lately and I've been in the mood to share it

Unless its dirty. In which case you can make a thread in the private area.

Yes, I forgot that, thanks Theo. :)

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby TheHawkster » July 28th, 2018, 5:52 pm

Mazder wrote:
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Speaking of which, where does one (like me) post his writing? I've been doing some short stories lately and I've been in the mood to share it

Unless its dirty. In which case you can make a thread in the private area.

Yes, I forgot that, thanks Theo. :)


Well, since my short stories, I might as well do a new thread for it.

Don't wanna clog up the fan creations thread :P

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Vol » July 28th, 2018, 11:36 pm

If they're SFW and Mass Effect, or really Bioware, related, Fan Creation is fine. You're free to make your own thread in either board of course, this one is totally public, the other is for members only and NSFW is allowed. Just to echo what the others have said.

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Postby TheodoricFriede » July 29th, 2018, 12:20 am

Beat the Splatoon 2 DLC. Its neat, it adds to the story and characters in that world. I liked the art style.

But it was frustratingly difficult. Like Bullshit levels of difficult where you can tell they play-tested it thousands of times to make it as annoying to the payer as possible.

That said, if they released another dlc tomorrow (with a story) I'd buy it immediately.

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Dragaros » July 29th, 2018, 12:45 am

Has anyone here read the Elric of Melniboné Saga? Is it any good, or worth reading? Some reviews I've seen online paint it as a must read for any fantasy/sword-and-sorcery fan, while others say to avoid it like the plague.
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Like...
If they don't have any good skin ideas for tracer...

They should probably give her a break on skins. This and her last skin were atrocious.

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Postby Vol » July 29th, 2018, 11:34 pm

The grand finals was real lackluster. London had been playing like crap most of the last stage, then suddenly kicked into high gear, while New York, who'd be dominant all season long, got knocked out. Then Philly just got completely dunked on by London on every match. They only ever looked even slightly alive _on_ the London map.

@Zero: The dyke skin? Yeah, that was a real silly idea. Not sure what the theme is supposed to be on those, but Genji's will always be popular.

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby TheodoricFriede » July 29th, 2018, 11:50 pm

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@Zero: The dyke skin? Yeah, that was a real silly idea.

Did you hear? Did you know that Tracer is a lesbian? Did you know that?

Did you know that the poster child of the game, Tracer, is a lesbian? Did you? Did you know that?! DID YOU?!?


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Postby Mazder » July 30th, 2018, 5:10 pm


Well if that's the new Digimon Game on Switch I am less enthused and probably not going to get that.
I expected something more World-ly rather than a Visual Novel game with turn based arena combats.
Which sounds boring as fuck.

Those 3 hour videos I have no idea what's going on as I don't speak Japanese and there are no subs or translations. (I skipped through to random points and I think I'll need translations for what's going on to be able to understand anything.)

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Postby SciFlyBoy » July 30th, 2018, 5:24 pm

Don't know if this is a political question or not, but we all know the royal family in England is mostly for ceremonial purposes and doesn't really have any stakes in the governing of the country, correct? That being the case, if prince Harry decided that he doesn't think William is fit to be king and pushes to have his seat advanced ahead of William, is that treason?
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Postby Mazder » July 30th, 2018, 6:13 pm

SciFlyBoy wrote:Don't know if this is a political question or not, but we all know the royal family in England is mostly for ceremonial purposes and doesn't really have any stakes in the governing of the country, correct? That being the case, if prince Harry decided that he doesn't think William is fit to be king and pushes to have his seat advanced ahead of William, is that treason?

Well firstly the Royal Family actually still has quite a bit of power. If they wished they cold absolutely dissolve Parliament and return the Nation to an absolute Monarchy, if they so wanted. There would be Riots and no doubt a civilian uprising. The trouble is we don't actually know how it'd play out, given the last European revolutions were decades (if not a century) ago.

Now if Prince Harry decided William wasn't fit for rule (if Princes George and Louis and Princess Charlotte were not of age) then technically it'd be a "civil war"/"war" of succession, more likely the latter.
Seeing as it's highly unlikely Harry would do so I doubt the full effects of a Succession War would actually play out.
It'd probably be, at best, a vote between the Lords/House of Lords and done that way.

The last "proper" War of Succession in the UK was the War of the Roses.
There was a small one with James 2nd, but that was with an illegitimate child of Charles 2nd.

If Harry were to fail the war/conflict of succession then he would be tried with Treason, if it comes to them having an actual war then also attempted Regicide I think, not too certain though.

EDIT: wait, I forgot, in 2011 there was a Fixed-Term Parliament Act that removed the Queen's power to dissolve Parliament all together.
BUT she can still appoint ministers how she likes, so she could stack a political party full of toadies and get them to undo that if she so chose.

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Postby SciFlyBoy » July 30th, 2018, 6:31 pm

Mazder wrote:Well firstly the Royal Family actually still has quite a bit of power. If they wished they cold absolutely dissolve Parliament and return the Nation to an absolute Monarchy, if they so wanted. There would be Riots and no doubt a civilian uprising. The trouble is we don't actually know how it'd play out, given the last European revolutions were decades (if not a century) ago.

Now if Prince Harry decided William wasn't fit for rule (if Princes George and Louis and Princess Charlotte were not of age) then technically it'd be a "civil war"/"war" of succession, more likely the latter.
Seeing as it's highly unlikely Harry would do so I doubt the full effects of a Succession War would actually play out.
It'd probably be, at best, a vote between the Lords/House of Lords and done that way.

The last "proper" War of Succession in the UK was the War of the Roses.
There was a small one with James 2nd, but that was with an illegitimate child of Charles 2nd.

If Harry were to fail the war/conflict of succession then he would be tried with Treason, if it comes to them having an actual war then also attempted Regicide I think, not too certain though.

EDIT: wait, I forgot, in 2011 there was a Fixed-Term Parliament Act that removed the Queen's power to dissolve Parliament all together.
BUT she can still appoint ministers how she likes, so she could stack a political party full of toadies and get them to undo that if she so chose.

So, is it 'war-proper' if the military is not involved? If it's a political battle fought in the parliament and privately between the lords what happens to the person who looses? As you said, we won't know how it would play out, but if it's a 'peaceful' attempt to overrule the heir to the throne then would the losing party be locked in prison (house arrest) or banished from the country? Obviously the times have changed since the last time something like this happened, but I was wondering how different it would play out with today's political atmosphere and more "peaceful"/probably political correct way of handling most public things in England. If that makes any sense.
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Postby Mazder » July 30th, 2018, 7:16 pm

SciFlyBoy wrote:So, is it 'war-proper' if the military is not involved? If it's a political battle fought in the parliament and privately between the lords what happens to the person who looses? As you said, we won't know how it would play out, but if it's a 'peaceful' attempt to overrule the heir to the throne then would the losing party be locked in prison (house arrest) or banished from the country? Obviously the times have changed since the last time something like this happened, but I was wondering how different it would play out with today's political atmosphere and more "peaceful"/probably political correct way of handling most public things in England. If that makes any sense.

I guess it'd be imprisonment, not "house arrest" but literal prison. Obviously they'd have some of the best as they're still kinda rich but prison none the less.
Banishment probably would not be done.

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Postby TheodoricFriede » July 30th, 2018, 7:27 pm

Mazder wrote:
EDIT: wait, I forgot, in 2011 there was a Fixed-Term Parliament Act that removed the Queen's power to dissolve Parliament all together.
BUT she can still appoint ministers how she likes, so she could stack a political party full of toadies and get them to undo that if she so chose.

FUCKING LAME.

I was still hoping for her to take power after Brexit.

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Postby Vol » July 31st, 2018, 12:47 am

Stage 2 of tree burning continues tomorrow. Thinking more on it, Sylvanas' plan makes far more sense than is presented. Which is the problem, I shouldn't have to stop and think and read outside perspectives, the narrative should make it clear.

"The Horde is very weak since Garrosh, and the instant the Alliance decide to weaponize azerite, which will happen, we're going to be a vassal state at _best_," is not communicated well. Instead the preconception of Sylvanas as a sneaky, lying, evil bitch colors the campaign (thus far), which will not totally accurate, is not actively subverted, which the story would benefit from. Though it's refreshing that while Nathanos is a huge dickhead at all times to us, she's actually kinda sweet to the players.

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Postby SciFlyBoy » July 31st, 2018, 8:54 am

TheodoricFriede wrote:I may have a problem...

Yeah, you're still missing quite a few. Are they regional or you just have to get lucky when they come out?
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Postby Alienmorph » July 31st, 2018, 8:57 am

TheodoricFriede wrote:I may have a problem...


*looks around at all his shelves full of figurines of all kinds*

Dude, you're not even scratching the surface xD

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby TheodoricFriede » July 31st, 2018, 9:27 am

SciFlyBoy wrote:
TheodoricFriede wrote:I may have a problem...

Yeah, you're still missing quite a few. Are they regional or you just have to get lucky when they come out?

There is no discernible difference between the Japanese and the US ones. They're kind of from all over, and I am fine with that.

I just like looking at them.

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Postby Vol » July 31st, 2018, 11:34 am

_Whelp_.

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Postby Vol » July 31st, 2018, 3:09 pm

And here's the cinematic that caps it off:
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Postby magnuskn » July 31st, 2018, 3:24 pm

So, yeah. Fuck Sylvanas. But it's actually amusing watching all the Sylvanas fanboys either walking away in disgust or going full "Hitler did nothing wrong", while reasonable people point out that this is totally consistent with what we have ever seen of Sylvanas. She's evil, she wants to destroy all life. Can't wait to mount her head atop the gates of Stormwind.

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Postby magnuskn » July 31st, 2018, 3:26 pm

Vol wrote:Stage 2 of tree burning continues tomorrow. Thinking more on it, Sylvanas' plan makes far more sense than is presented. Which is the problem, I shouldn't have to stop and think and read outside perspectives, the narrative should make it clear.

"The Horde is very weak since Garrosh, and the instant the Alliance decide to weaponize azerite, which will happen, we're going to be a vassal state at _best_," is not communicated well. Instead the preconception of Sylvanas as a sneaky, lying, evil bitch colors the campaign (thus far), which will not totally accurate, is not actively subverted, which the story would benefit from. Though it's refreshing that while Nathanos is a huge dickhead at all times to us, she's actually kinda sweet to the players.


Only that, when you read, Before the Storm, she very clearly says that the Horde will recover much faster than the Alliance from the war with the Legion and thus they should attack Stormwind and murder everybody. Doesn't sound like the Horde "is very weak since Garrosh" at all and I have no idea where you got that from.

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Postby SciFlyBoy » July 31st, 2018, 7:27 pm

I'm going to RTX in Austin, Texas this weekend. Going to check out some RoosterTeeth content and see the RWBY panel. Maybe see some Gen-lock clips too.
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Postby Mazder » July 31st, 2018, 7:55 pm

SciFlyBoy wrote:I'm going to RTX in Austin, Texas this weekend. Going to check out some RoosterTeeth content and see the RWBY panel. Maybe see some Gen-lock clips too.

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Postby Alienmorph » August 1st, 2018, 3:27 pm

Dragaros wrote:*transformers model kits*


Yeah, I'm doing that Pacific Rim one as a training excercise for those. I have the anime-y Optimus Prime and Starscream in preorder already:

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The IDW-style kits on the other hand... gimmegimmegimme!

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So her original plan was to conquer and occupy Darnassus/Teldrassil, but because that dying night elf hurt her ego she decides to burn it all to the ground in a fit of petty, childish spite and irrational rage, destroying the objective of her invasion in the first place? Though considering what her long-term plans are according to Before the Storm, she probably would have burned it all down at some point anyway for one reason or another, or was counting on an Alliance counterattack in the future so she could justify an invasion of Stormwind.

Sylvanas wasted no time in smearing and slandering Anduin Wrynn's reputation and painting him as a warmonger.
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I've been painting so many robots and mechs these past few days, and that in tandem with all of that Metal Gear film concept art has been making me want to get my own Rex figure.
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Postby magnuskn » August 1st, 2018, 10:43 pm

Dragaros wrote:So her original plan was to conquer and occupy Darnassus/Teldrassil, but because that dying night elf hurt her ego she decides to burn it all to the ground in a fit of petty, childish spite and irrational rage, destroying the objective of her invasion in the first place? Though considering what her long-term plans are according to Before the Storm, she probably would have burned it all down at some point anyway for one reason or another, or was counting on an Alliance counterattack in the future so she could justify an invasion of Stormwind.

Sylvanas wasted no time in smearing and slandering Anduin Wrynn's reputation and painting him as a warmonger.


She was always evil as fuck and her few humanizing moments were far and in-between. The last one was her not going through with her totally planned assassination of her sisters, because she had one moment of nostalgia.

And for the people who say that she would never do something rash in a moment of passion, I point you to the end of War Crimes, where she went into a screaming rampage through Tirisfal Glades when her sister Vereesa reversed her decision to join her in Undercity. Where Sylvanas of course already had planned to poison her and raise her as another undead monster, because "morally gray", hahaha. Fuck Sylvanas.

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Postby Vol » August 2nd, 2018, 12:20 am

Azint wrote:On the topic of model kits, I've been considering on picking this up. I'm not particularly a model collector, but I know this one is snapped together and not glued. What intimidates me the most is that I need to paint it myself, and I don't know much about model painting. I want to give it a try, though.

I've been painting so many robots and mechs these past few days, and that in tandem with all of that Metal Gear film concept art has been making me want to get my own Rex figure.

The painting is easier than you think. I produced some decent 40k figures despite having effectively no experience with model painting before them. Was all a function of learning the steps and being extremely slow. So go for it, worst case, you strip the paint and try again.

Dragaros wrote:So her original plan was to conquer and occupy Darnassus/Teldrassil, but because that dying night elf hurt her ego she decides to burn it all to the ground in a fit of petty, childish spite and irrational rage, destroying the objective of her invasion in the first place? Though considering what her long-term plans are according to Before the Storm, she probably would have burned it all down at some point anyway for one reason or another, or was counting on an Alliance counterattack in the future so she could justify an invasion of Stormwind.

Sylvanas wasted no time in smearing and slandering Anduin Wrynn's reputation and painting him as a warmonger.

The original plan was to blitzkrieg through Ashenvale and Darkshore, execute Malfurion in a public manner, occupy the tree, and use the demoralized citizens as hostages while the Horde mined azerite and armed up for the inevitable war in the future.

I think the point of the dying night elf was to show Sylvanas that without Malfurion's head, and with the tree about to be taken, a dying nelf still wasn't "broken." Which seems to be Sylvanas' thing lately, vis-a-vis the massacre at the reunion party. So in that sense, her objective was unreachable, but I'm not sure how having defiant nelves would really matter if you have an occupation force in there. You could start doing horrible things to maintain order at any time, including burning the tree if they rebel, but instead she skips right to that.

Which I guess achieves the goal of making what night elves that survive lose hope, but at the cost of having zero leverage to stop the massive counterattack that is absolutely going to come now.

The issue is that you cannot mix subtle writing with the pulp we normally get and have people understand. You're training us to take people at the most basic, literal word, and then try to do something that requires thinking.

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Dragaros » August 2nd, 2018, 12:39 am

magnuskn wrote:Sylvanas


Fear not, my stance on Sylvanas hasn’t changed. Blizzard making it so she burned down the tree and killed those civilians in a spur of the moment decision doesn’t make it any less terrible than if she had planned it all out in cold detail beforehand. (Indeed, it makes her comes across as even more unstable and prone to emotional sadism, cruelty and pettiness. If there was ever hope for her to get a redemption story, it was a long time ago in my humble opinion, and that train left the station with no return trip) Just pointing out that she’s acting so hyper-emotional, so quick to avenge perceived slights to her ego, she --literally-- blew up her own plans and military objectives here, seemingly. She often mocks Anduin for having little to no experience in such matters, but he hasn't done anything that stupid so far, and he actually listens to the council of others. Garrosh was a despicable, megalomaniacal monster, but even he never shot himself in the foot that bad in regards to his plans from what I can remember. And speaking of Garrosh, he was delusional, tyrannical, mass-murdering warmonger, but even he had a cogent insight and saw this coming:

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That dying night elf should have said something to echo that like “Arthas would have been so proud" or some such.
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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby Dragaros » August 2nd, 2018, 12:39 am

"Drive me closer! I want to hit them with my sword!"

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby TheodoricFriede » August 2nd, 2018, 1:35 am

Vol wrote:
Azint wrote:On the topic of model kits,...

The painting is easier than you think. I produced some decent 40k figures despite having effectively no experience with model painting before them. Was all a function of learning the steps and being extremely slow. So go for it, worst case, you strip the paint and try again.

As someone with absolutely no artistic talent what so ever, I can corroborate this.
I painted a couple figures with a friend. It wasn't really difficult. Even fine details weren't hard if you had a fine brush. I just found it insufferably tedious and boring.

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Re: Tali'Thread vas Clan Zorah nar BSN 6.0

Postby DarkStorm » August 2nd, 2018, 3:36 am

Azint wrote:On the topic of model kits, I've been considering on picking this up. I'm not particularly a model collector, but I know this one is snapped together and not glued. What intimidates me the most is that I need to paint it myself, and I don't know much about model painting. I want to give it a try, though.

I've been painting so many robots and mechs these past few days, and that in tandem with all of that Metal Gear film concept art has been making me want to get my own Rex figure.

Man I been wanting to get my hands on a Battletech Mad Cat model kit but the damn things are expensive because they don't make battletech model kits anymore as far as I am aware of.

Vol wrote:
The original plan was to blitzkrieg through Ashenvale and Darkshore, execute Malfurion in a public manner, occupy the tree, and use the demoralized citizens as hostages while the Horde mined azerite and armed up for the inevitable war in the future.

I think the point of the dying night elf was to show Sylvanas that without Malfurion's head, and with the tree about to be taken, a dying nelf still wasn't "broken." Which seems to be Sylvanas' thing lately, vis-a-vis the massacre at the reunion party. So in that sense, her objective was unreachable, but I'm not sure how having defiant nelves would really matter if you have an occupation force in there. You could start doing horrible things to maintain order at any time, including burning the tree if they rebel, but instead she skips right to that.

Which I guess achieves the goal of making what night elves that survive lose hope, but at the cost of having zero leverage to stop the massive counterattack that is absolutely going to come now.

The issue is that you cannot mix subtle writing with the pulp we normally get and have people understand. You're training us to take people at the most basic, literal word, and then try to do something that requires thinking.


As much as I like story I just want the damn snake people on alliance so I can make my worgen hunter a Snake. https://wow.gamepedia.com/Sethrak

And signs are pointing to be likely.


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